Hey, how 'bout doze Gophers

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:09 pm

Had they not found a way to loose to Penn St., they could have put the ding back into Governors Victory Bell and totally forgotten about the pig.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:10 pm

Excellent point ER. But you asked a queston a few posts back(Is it broke?) and I think the answer is....it depends.

Mason has taken his team to a bowl game 6 of the last 7 years. After this year , it will 6 of 8.

They havent been prestigious bowls but they represent winning seasons and revenue.

The guy he replaced was 16-39. 16 and Boofin 39!!! in 4 years. Geezo beezo! The guy before that was a sobering 29-37 in 6 years. The guy before that had the same record.

Was it broke before Mason got here? Oh yah!

Oh BTW, the last guy (Warmath) who was as succesful as Mason, from a win/loss standpoint , we fired which started us down this road.

Is it broke now?

I dont know if there is an easy answer to that question.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:19 pm

Is it broke now?

Are we satisfied with being a shade under mediocre?

I agree whole heartedly that Mason is better than Wacker, but with the football teams GPA we should be doing a lot better!

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:26 pm

Mason is better than Wacker and Gutekunst and Salem and Stoll.

The Music Man was only here for 2 years but he was 10-12.

Thats why they are reluctant to fire Mason.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:28 pm

Maybe they can trade him for a pitcher. You never can have enough pitching...

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:43 pm

What does it take to win? Call Miami and ask them. It's ironic that most, if not all involved in the fight got one game suspensions. Those suspended got the Duke game off and were all back in time for Saturday's game against Tech. Miami is an example of a collegiate program that will do (legal or illegal) whatever it takes to win.

I believe the U will do whatever it takes to win at hockey. Luckily they don't need to get their hands dirty to do that. But when it comes to Men's Hoops and FB, they just don't want to go where the Miami's of the world are willing to go. Clem did it, it worked, and then it bit them. One of you guys said something about how many more scandals do they need? It may take several that we won't hear about for a while to win another Big Ten Championship in FB or Hoops.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:02 pm

The problem can't be that complicated! I'm guessing the fine posters here could have it figured out in about 5-6 pitchers at the Liffy.

ER, you bring the lipstick.....

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:26 pm

Id say 5-6 pitchers ought to do it.

IS, and where is Miami ranked?

They have a team of thugs and they wont be in the BCS picture. If you are going to go out and recruit "The Wild Bunch" at least play on Jan 1.

Id rather settle for what Mason has done than go thru that crap again. That t stuff is worse than losing for your program.

Doing whatever it takes has always blown up in the U's face.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:03 pm

If cheating more isn't a viable option. If firing Mason isn't necesarily the answer. If better recruits aren't likely forthcoming because of their place on the CFB food chain. I'm down to one last idea. Change conference affiliations.

I notice that the University of New Jersey is still undefeated at 8-0. They have wins over NC, Ill, Howard, South Florida, Navy, Pitt, UConn, and The Ohio U. Still remaining on the dockett are Louisville, Cincinnati, WV, and Syracuse. Chances are the Scarlet Knights will drop at least one in there. However, I like that schedule more than what the Big 10 requires.

The Big East is already the home to nearly 20% of the nations schools already, thus, what's one more? In addition, the conference the U would be leaving could once again have an appropriate name for the number of member schools.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:17 pm

I go back to what I said earlier at that is, does stability make a difference? Would you want to come to a school where the coach that makes the promises to you is possibly going to be gone by the time you are ready to play?

My examples:
Chan Gailey at GT, Tommy Bowden at Clemson and even Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin. Each had points in time where they were merely mediocre, but having the continuity IMO brought them up to the next level (about that of Iowa in the Big 10). Would sticking with Mason be worth the shot at this or don't you believe he has the coaching/recruiting skills that would be needed?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:38 am

Id rather rehire Jan Gangelhoff than change conferences. There are others in the Big 10 similarily situated.

Even in this a down year the Gophers have been competitive in most of the conference games. If the Gophers left who would Mich State, Indiana and Illinois have around to beat?

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:01 am

Cheating or Doing What It Takes?

Kelvim Sampson has ruffled the feathers of at least 2 Big Ten coaches before he has even had a practice. Eric Gordon (current IN HS Sr.) verbally committed to Ill last year. The new sheriff roles into town and begins to actively recruit in-state players that the former coach, Mike Davis, didn't or couldn't. Gordon announced recently that he will sign a letter of intent next week with IN.

At the Big 10 media day, Sampson faced a flood of questions about his recruiting techniques past and present. Purdue coach, Matt Painter (buddy of ILL coach Bruce Weber) indirectly rips Sampson for stealing someone else's recruit.

Is Sampson cheating or is he doing what he needs to do to win?

EREmpireStrikesBack · Tue Oct 31, 2006 11:50 am

Doing what he needs to win. That will change if they investigate him and find wrongdoings (like what was found when he left Okla).

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:13 pm

I do not advocate cheating in any way shape or form.

just don't tell me what the alumni/booster club is doing.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:39 pm

Exactly the stance that the great John Wooden had.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:20 pm

I am not a crook.

Thats great about Wooden but we always get caught.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:37 pm

Did you know?

Wooden was all set to accept the basketball position at the U of Minnesota, however a snow storm delayed a visit to seal the deal. Wooden instead went West, interviewed in LA and never came back. No doubt the Indiana boy fell in love the weather and the bikinis.

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:41 pm

Wasn't that the Music Man's modus operandi also, look the other way while the booster club does the dirty work.

Empire asked on the last page if it was worth hanging through this current down period with Mason for the sake of stability. I'd say no. From what I've seen Mason has done all he can and he is not the guy that's going to give this program a shot at a Big Ten championship. In his best year he still lost three games in the conference. His teams have lost too many games where they haven't shown up or inexplicably choked away a sure win.

One accomplishment Mason has trumpeted are all the bowl games that he has taken the team to. This isn't 1970 anymore. In the paper on Sunday, they showed the projected bowls for the Big Ten this year and eight teams are expected to go to a bowl. Going to a bowl game now is like making the NHL playoffs in the '80s, it's not an accomplishment if you do and an embarassment if you don't.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:42 pm

packerboy wrote:I am not a crook.

Thats great about Wooden but we always get caught.

Well Millhouse, that may be true. Especially with KMSP sniffing around our hockey players watering hole. I haven't watched that news since.

But can we at least exploit the gray areas?

Maybe we can hire some republican spin doctors for recruiters. There very good at it, and might be available soon.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:05 pm

But thats the kind of thinking that brought the Tricky one down along with Musselman, Clem and the rest. Keep it clean.

If you always tell the truth, you dont have to remember what you said.

However, it might be alright if we broke into an office complex where the opposition headquarters were located and............

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:26 pm

I've got the crowbar and the spray paint...

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:41 pm

I'll be right there as soon as I'm done writing some papers for a few football players.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:57 pm

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:01 pm

MSU fired their coach today. He was about .500 in his 3 years. The guy before him was about .500 in his 4 years.

Nick Saban was the last guy to be over .500 for his tenure and he left for greener pastures at LSU just as they were turning the corner. Saban then won a national championship at LSU

Saban had replaced Perles who was .500. in 10 years.

Any of this sound familiar?

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:25 pm

_________ and _________ are the only two Big 10 Universities where a head FB coach could survive a 30pt pounding at the hands of the Hoosiers.