Minnesota Vikings

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:21 pm

Anybody else think this past weekend went a lot better without the aggravation of another Viking disaster? I didn't yell at the TV once on Sunday and enjoyed a historic Gopher win via a small Watchman TV while camping on Saturday.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:58 am

Agreed. I did some stuff around the house. Was outside all day Sunday. Enjoyed the day. But honestly, after the Penn State debacle, I didnt watch any of the Gopher game. I thought theyd get beat up again so I went fishin. Caught 2 measley fish. Figures.

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:07 am

So you were out on a boat this weekend packerboy? I hope 'fishing' isn't a metaphor for something that you'd have trouble explaining to your wife, much like some red faced purple suited persons are having to do right now... I thought the same thing regarding the Gophers, if someone hadn't brought the Watchman I'd have waited till Sunday to find out about the game--and would've been kicking myself for missing it.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:43 am

Yup, I was on a boat alright. But my idea of what to do on a boat is a little different that what our Purple have in mind. Say.......read Souhans column today. Its a ripoff of my post on page 2 of this thread.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:28 am

Just when you thought the Vikes couldn't get any lower... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:20 am

So whats the answer? Everybody is sick and tired of this crap. Why have the Vikings had so many problems off the field? People say "This never happened when Bud Grant coached the team".... Bull. But at least they were smart enough not to get caught. I think that there has been a lack of character and leadership from the top on down since Bud. The owners have been obsessed with greed. The coaches have been incompetent or full of themselves with their own moral issues. The result is predictable. Just like in a famly that lacks parental guidance. But lets put those purple flags on our cars; make sure the dome is sold out;and dont even think about less than about 75% of the local sports coverage being devoted to these clowns. I go to look at the sports section this AM, and I cant find the ALCS game coverage until the back page. We are all to blame. Sid Hartman always campaigns to build these goofs a new stadium with the threat that they will leave if we dont. Well...........................

EREmpireStrikesBack · Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:47 am

Did someone say sexy party? <img src="http://tinypic.com/ej7fgi.gif" style="border:0;"/> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:34 pm

And Reusse takes Daunte to task for his lack of leadership on this in today's Strib too. How about Fred Smoot saying that he didn't rent one of the boats, next he'll be denying he was even there. They get rid of a guy in Moss because of his attitude and behavior, it seems like everyone else on the team is stepping it up when it comes to misbehaving. packerboy, you're right, this starts at the top, they've had an absentee owner, a head coach busted for scalping tickets. I'd suggest suspending all 17 players, assuming that's the number, for a game and docking them a game's worth of pay with the message being that we'd rather lose with guys who care (or are at least more discrete) than win with a bunch of idiots who would put chasing tail and carousing in public above their job, their teammates, the organization and the community. I'd put the team on notice that any further public incidents would result in similar penalties. I'd have the 17 players publicly apologize to their teammates and the community for their behavior and thoughtlessness. In my eyes, the real issue is the fact that they did this in public. Who knows if this would have any effect though, people would rather watch a team of talented thugs and ex cons over a team of losing choirboys.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:47 pm

With regard to your last point Chris, there have been a lot of teams/organizations that have won with solid people. The Vikings for one. I dont think this organization has the warewithall nor the guts to try to do it right. If Zyg is as smart as I think he is......get the broom and clean house.

Post by **east hockey** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:30 pm

Is Mark Chmura available? Perhaps he can counsel the Vikes on proper behavior. Man, what a circus this has become. And they want the public to pony up to help build a new stadium? Maybe one-way tickets out of the Twin Cities via Northworst Airlines....errr...Delta are in order instead. Would this team really be missed? Lee ____________ Message Board arsonist since 2005

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:07 pm

Starting with Keith Millard, the Vikings have many role models for bad behavior to choose from, I think they'll be able to leave Chewie alone. packerboy, you're right, teams have won with decent people, but the point I was trying to make was that winning trumps solid citizenship any day. The boat event was egregious enough to be an issue even if the team was winning but it would go away quickly with a couple of wins. With the team in disarray it will linger longer. Of course, a solid argument could be made that this kind of thing is the sign of a team in disarray.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:10 pm

I thought Jerry Burns ran a pretty tight ship, he had some personalities in Millard and Kramer, but nothing like has happend under Denny and Tice. The NFLPA has too much power, basically undermining authority of coaches and owners, but it's the same with all 4 major sports unions. What really dissapoints me is that Daunte said after Moss left "that this my team". Nice leadership Daunte, you're well on your way to pissing away a Hall of Fame career. There is a reason some of these guys were free agents, and that they came from bad teams may say more about them than anybody realized.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 8:30 am

goldy, Burns couldnt say 5 words without using the F-inhimer twice.....in public. His press confernces sounded like a golf cart backing up. I am sure he is a good guy and I know he was an excellent offensive coordinator but not the finest NFL head coaching material. I also remeber a lot of off field issues with Millard and the DWIs. On another note...I read in the paper today that Tice is going to start cracking down on guys. How inept. You dont become a disciplinarian 5 weeks into the season. Any T-Ball coach knows that you start with a tight rein and then ease up as the season goes on. Its way easier to ease up than it is to crack down. This guy is so bad. The longer he has the job, the more evident it becomes that he just doesnt have the tools to do it.

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:21 am

If I remember right, the Vikes had so many DWIs in the mid to late '80s that the Bloomington strip where most occurred was dubbed the Purple Triangle by Patrick Reusse. Packerboy's right, Burnsie's language was so blue it would make a saloonkeeper in Deadwood blush. I was thinking it wouldn't hurt to keep Tice on till the end of the season, an interim coach is usually a lame duck which is essentially what Tice is now, but things appear so out of hand that canning Tice now might send a message to the team that playtime is over.

madjagfan · Post by **madjagfan** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:07 am

Why is Studwell and the rest of the front office staff getting off so easy on this one--I thought he was the director of player personnel ?? Isn't he the one that has a say in who we bring in here?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:34 am

Its a good point madjag but the guys that were brought in werent troublemakers. At least, that I am aware of..... except for Koren Robinson and his problem is with chemical dependency. We dont know how good these guys are yet. They have been so poorly coached and badly prepared for the games..... no one even knows what they are doing. Thats why I agree with ChrisK. Get rid of the guy and lets see what we have personel wise. Maybe then Studwell should take some heat.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:45 pm

Sharper was let go by one of the worst pass defenses in football. Money wasn't an issue with him like it was for the two guards they lost. Cowart was an underacheiver on defense, and let go by a coach who is known for discipline. Smoot came from one of the best defenses in the NFL, and also was let go by another coach who is known for discipline. It's not like we picked up the best and the brightest here as far as character is concerned. BUd Grant has his fair share of problems too, Carl Eller wasn't exactly a stand up citizen in his day either. I have a little trouble blaming a coach, any coach, for a players problems with drugs or alcohol as long as after they get caught they get help. BUt to have half a team screw up like this does reflect on the coach. In the NFL contracts aren't guarenteed, Ziggy ought to dump the whole lot of them.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:32 am

Yup, its definitley Daunte's team now.

Newguy99 · Post by **Newguy99** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:39 pm

I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! Man are the Vikes good. They are so fun to watch, they play the right way. Let's be honest here, would in not be best to lose most of our remaining games and get Bush or Maroney? The North is a joke, our team is a joke, our coaching staff is a joke, at least it seems that our new owner will be a positive. It's week six and I have officially thrown in the towel.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:56 am

Is Bret Boone available? I hear he can play QB<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Sure Newguy but they'd just screw up the draft choice. The last good decision they made on draft day was Randy Moss.

rookie up front · Post by **rookie up front** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:17 am

As big as a Daunte Culpepper fan I am I say its time for him to step aside............actualy I dont care much if he does or not I've had enough of this crap and im converting to the Giants.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> . At least they dont have sex on a boat. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:29 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>At least they dont have sex on a boat.<hr></blockquote> You say it like its a bad thing... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> And actually who knows if they do, the main thing is they aren't stupid like the Vikings and get caught. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

rookie up front · Post by **rookie up front** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 9:56 am

Yes I do it with Eli Manning all the time. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">

EREmpireStrikesBack · Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:47 am

Alright, as long as you leave Michael Strahan and his gap for me <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:20 pm

Well, all of this reminds me of a little tune that goes somethin like this..hit it maestro: Love, exciting and new Come aboard, Capt Tice is expecting you Love, the Vikings sweetest reward Let it flow, it flows back to Fred Smoot (everybody now) The Love boat soon will be making another run The Love Boat promises fines and suspensions for everyone.... Yes folks that old classic is timeless and more relevant today than ever. Say, wasnt that Julie and Gopher I saw headin out to Lake Minnetonka the other day?

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