Show some humility

[Houndhockey]

I'll take one last stab at it, and won't need your template.

Celebrating is great and a goal is a goal, a win is a win. INTENTIONALLY AVOIDING YOUR TEAMMATES, to ensure that you can display your individualism, is in my opinion, selfish whether it's in front of 10 fans or 20,000 fans, scrimmage, or state title game. Proof of that is not whether I have been in this situation, but how hockey players have reacted in these situations for decades. It's not the same for many now, and I believe it's selfish, all about me, and unfortunate. Yea, kids can be dumb and ignorant, I just won't throw my hands up and support it. I won't allow it as a coach or as a parent and have faced it in both situations. My role as an adult is to show them a different way, not condone their selfishness in a team sport. By the way, I would have the same reaction to our team pulling what the North players did. Kids need to be taught. Their actions cannot be sloughed off as "well, that's what kids do". This is far from the end of the world as we know it, but let's face it, we have a job to do and ignoring this by the people that have a chance to change it is sad. I don't care if it's Edina or Luverne doing it.

Amen SEC! I noticed it pretty much all year as well from opposing teams that I watched against DE. Biased? Of course, but maybe it is something that Randolph doesn't allow. I can't remember a time this year where it was an individual "celly" from the Hounds. maybe someone can refresh my memory on that, but I love seeing the team celebrations first. More times than not it was a pretty easy shot, coming from a really nice set up that gets you the goal anyway.

It was a pretty interesting thought that someone previously stated on this topic that in HS football they would be flagged for a personal foul for something like this. heck, even in college football they would be flagged. It would probably be a pretty drastic change at first if players received two minute misconducts for it, but they would learn quickly.

Act like you've been there before!

[andovercw]

Excessive goal celebration needs a thread all by itself. It has been going on for sometime and I for one am sick of it. Case-in-point: attented the 5AA semi-final Blaine vs. Anoka. Blaine player is in the slot with defender quickly approaching. He makes a nice stick handle left, stick handle right, freezes defenseman, slides it between d'mans skates to a wide open teammate crashing the net and who bangs it home. Nice goal! What does player who just scored do? Doesn't skate over to teammate who did all the work. No, he skates as fast as he can away from everyone else, swoops the ice with is hand on one knee, and proceeds to fist pump the air screaming what I can only guess was "Look at ME!" It is beyond obnoxious because it happens just about every game for every goal. I once saw a mite put his stick down and fanned it off because, you know, it was on fire! All the parents laughed and thought it was Cute. Really? I don't believe we need any penalties over this, just a renewed hockey culture of team play and respect. I did not get to watch the big game saturday cause some yahoo wanted to watch the Wild game at the bar, but I can't say I'm surprised by any team getting hacked by this display.

[The Denver Omelet]

To think that Lakeville North started take penalties/hack Edina due to the way Edina was celebrating their goals is laughable.

Lakeville tried to be physical with Edina from the start. It didn't work. Then their method changed to being hacks because they were getting dominated.

Lakeville isn't the first team to get frustrated against a team beating you & won't be the last. It just gets more attention because of the stage this game was on. Rarely happens in a state tournament game, let alone a title game.

[DrGaf]

I once saw a mite put his stick down and fanned it off because, you know, it was on fire!

I've got to remember this one for beer league.

[Gopher Blog]

It seems every year we have this discussion about excessive goal celebrations, etc. To me, it comes down to the coach putting his foot down. If he doesn't, then kids will continue.

As for the title game, I was a little surprised by Lakeville North. Some of the flopping, etc was really embarrassing. I am not an Edina fan either so it has nothing to do with that. I didn't really care about winner/loser in that game. I just thought the way LN carried themselves was not good.

[HShockeywatcher]

It starts and ends with the parents and the coaches. If they allow it, it will continue. If they don't, it will stop. 'nuff said.

This

[puckbreath]

Interestingly enough, using the NFL as an example, it wasn't the fans or coaches that wanted the creation of the rules/penalties for celebrations.

It was the league itself, along with the officials, ya know, the guys enforcing the rules...............

But that's the difference between hockey and all other sports; the huge amount of latitude and gray areas given to hockey officials to call or not call rule violations.

Personally, I don't care one way or the other about them.

But I don't agree with the "coaches, fans, etc. will put a stop to them if they think it's needed" philosophy.

[almostashappy]

Interestingly enough, using the NFL as an example, it wasn't the fans or coaches that wanted the creation of the rules/penalties for celebrations.

It was the league itself, along with the officials, ya know, the guys enforcing the rules...............

But that's the difference between hockey and all other sports; the huge amount of latitude and gray areas given to hockey officials to call or not call rule violations.

Personally, I don't care one way or the other about them.

But I don't agree with the "coaches, fans, etc. will put a stop to them if they think it's needed" philosophy.

It doesn't have to take a "on-the-books" two minute minor that is called by a hockey official for a coach to enforce his own rules and his own penalties if his players celly. If he doesn't want his kids acting that way, he can set his own team rules, and enforce them however he wants...from no-puck practices to sitting the kid for a shift, or a period, or for a game.

Some coaches already set higher standards for their players, and go above and beyond what the MSHSL rules mandate when it comes to other infractions. First time getting caught with chewing tobacco is a league enforced 2-week suspension in most programs. But not at Hill-Murray.

[almostashappy]

It seems every year we have this discussion about excessive goal celebrations, etc. To me, it comes down to the coach putting his foot down. If he doesn't, then kids will continue.

As for the title game, I was a little surprised by Lakeville North. Some of the flopping, etc was really embarrassing. I am not an Edina fan either so it has nothing to do with that. I didn't really care about winner/loser in that game. I just thought the way LN carried themselves was not good.

Well, since it wasn't the first time that LN forwards had taken dives this season, you can add this to the list of things that the coach could have put a stop too, had he put his foot down earlier in the season (or earlier in the Tourney, for that matter).

If it happens game after game after game, then either the coach tacitly accepts the practice, or he actually encourages it and/or writes it into the game plan. Either ugly option reflects poorly on the team and its leadership.

There's something I read once that went "For what does it profit a man...."

[green4]

Im confused how Edina became the center of blame on here...
Of the Edina goals in the championship game most were not individual celebrations I would say.

1st goal) Dornbach when on a knee and I would say that was an individual celebration.
2nd) Foley hugged his teammates
3rd) Fidler stick in the air, hugged his teammates
4th) Fidler hugged his teammates
5th) Mishmash I believe hugged his teammates (Not 100% on that one)
6th) Bellows grabbed his jersey to show off the Edina on the front.
7th) Bellows, Don't remember this one to tell you the truth.
8th) Munson hugged his teammates.

Maybe some of you just choose to be pessimists and look at the one or two individual celebrations instead of the 6 or 7 team based celebrations.

[puckbreath]

Interestingly enough, using the NFL as an example, it wasn't the fans or coaches that wanted the creation of the rules/penalties for celebrations.

It was the league itself, along with the officials, ya know, the guys enforcing the rules...............

But that's the difference between hockey and all other sports; the huge amount of latitude and gray areas given to hockey officials to call or not call rule violations.

Personally, I don't care one way or the other about them.

But I don't agree with the "coaches, fans, etc. will put a stop to them if they think it's needed" philosophy.

It doesn't have to take a "on-the-books" two minute minor that is called by a hockey official for a coach to enforce his own rules and his own penalties if his players celly. If he doesn't want his kids acting that way, he can set his own team rules, and enforce them however he wants...from no-puck practices to sitting the kid for a shift, or a period, or for a game.

Some coaches already set higher standards for their players, and go above and beyond what the MSHSL rules mandate when it comes to other infractions. First time getting caught with chewing tobacco is a league enforced 2-week suspension in most programs. But not at Hill-Murray.

And face the wrath of all parents involved in doing so. I would wager most coaches would think it wasn't worth that hassle.

We've seen, more than once, that when it comes to a parent-coach battle, the parents usually win, with who was right or wrong not entering into it.

[The Denver Omelet]

Im confused how Edina became the center of blame on here...
Of the Edina goals in the championship game most were not individual celebrations I would say.

1st goal) Dornbach when on a knee and I would say that was an individual celebration.
2nd) Foley hugged his teammates
3rd) Fidler stick in the air, hugged his teammates
4th) Fidler hugged his teammates
5th) Mishmash I believe hugged his teammates (Not 100% on that one)
6th) Bellows grabbed his jersey to show off the Edina on the front.
7th) Bellows, Don't remember this one to tell you the truth.
8th) Munson hugged his teammates.

Maybe some of you just choose to be pessimists and look at the one or two individual celebrations instead of the 6 or 7 team based celebrations.

Mismash may have done what's considered "individual."
Bellow's 2nd goal shot a bow & arrow, so probably individual.

I don't care though. I loved Bellows' jersey pound. Edina players play with a complete "F You!" attitude. Someone like Hill Murray won't be intimidated and it won't work on everyone (Eagan didn't seem intimidated), but Stillwater definitely was and I think Lakeville was as well.

[almostashappy]

I don't care though. I loved Bellows' jersey pound. Edina players play with a complete "F You!" attitude. Someone like Hill Murray won't be intimidated and it won't work on everyone (Eagan didn't seem intimidated), but Stillwater definitely was and I think Lakeville was as well.

1) Eagan certainly wasn't bothered by Edina's celly's...and (for better or worse) it would have been hypocritical had they complained. I wish that the Cats didn't celly but I don't get to vote on the issue.

2) The cellys that make me roll my eyes the most are the ones that follow the least-deserving goals. Looking at the other two Edina tourney games for examples.....

- Nanne's first goal against Stillwater. He dumps the puck into the zone, puck caroms off of the back boards, hits the Stillwater goalie on the back and it trickles in. Worthy of a celly? Apparently so.

- Nanne's second goal against Stillwater. He is quoted in the papers as saying that he was really trying to pass to the back door, but the puck deflected off a defender's stick and hit the back of the net. Celly-licious? You betcha.

- Edina's first goal against Eagan. Malmquist sent a shot on net from in close. Lindgren got a pad on the shot, but the puck was inadvertently hit into the net by an Eagan player. Did Malmquist celly? Of course he did. (Now to be fair, he did make an excellent move to get in position to take the initial shot. But we aren't at the point where you celly a good move. Yet.)

3) Something not addressed in this thread yet is the fact that players who celly during televised games are rewarded for their efforts. Take a look at the rollout highlight video of this year's tourney, and count the number of celly's that were included.

[Nuts&Bolts]

Quite a swing in emotions watching the game. Started off hoping for North to pull a huge upset. Then switched my opinion to pull for the evil public school empire seeing Lakeville ruining the championship game with ugly decisions from players and no leadership from coaches. Finished with a reminder of why people don't like the Cake seeing a privileged parent climb into the players box for a photo op. Thanks for the reminder why many despise Edina besides simply being at the top year after year.

Outside of Edinas first game of the year (8-rip win over Holy Family) only 3 Edina games were won by a margin of 6 goals (Hopkins, Prior Lake in the section semis and the state championship against North). Until other schools play the rigorous schedule like Edina they will continue to come up short. Kill conference play and avoid the 8-0 wins over cupcake teams (no pun intended towards Edina).

[The Denver Omelet]

almostashappy: I guess I wasn't talking about intimidation and celebrations. I was just talking about in general stepping onto the ice. Eagan was not intimidated by Edina, just couldn't beat them. Can't say the same about their other two opponents.

I didn't see anything out of Edina that I didn't see out of anybody else in the tournament. I think it's just being brought up as an issue more because a) it happened in the biggest game, b) it was a blowout, and c) it involved Edina.

[SECoach]

almostashappy: I guess I wasn't talking about intimidation and celebrations. I was just talking about in general stepping onto the ice. Eagan was not intimidated by Edina, just couldn't beat them. Can't say the same about their other two opponents.

I didn't see anything out of Edina that I didn't see out of anybody else in the tournament. I think it's just being brought up as an issue more because a) it happened in the biggest game, b) it was a blowout, and c) it involved Edina.

I will stand behind my opinion that it doesn't matter if it's Edina doing a celly, or LN taking dives, whatever team it is for that matter. The leaders need to lead young men, not say, well, they are just boys.

I guess I'll have to admit that I may be out of touch with the terms so let me see if I'm on track. Celebrating after a goal with your teammates. I understand it, appreciate it, and respect it. Doing a celly while ignoring you teammates, have no respect for that. If a player still feels like doing his lil show after the natural excitement of scoring and celebrating with his team, well go right ahead. I don't think they would though (or it would look like a pretty silly celly.

I'll add one more thing to my point of this not being an Edina issue (well they did some too). What's with the whining, palms up SOME players do with the ref on the way to the box? It really looks tacky. Maybe for a second, but all the way to the box? I say shut your yap and go to the box. If there is an issue with the call it's the coaches job to discuss it. Sorry to digress, or am I?

[cake83]

almostashappy: I didn't see anything out of Edina that I didn't see out of anybody else in the tournament. I think it's just being brought up as an issue more because a) it happened in the biggest game, b) it was a blowout, and c) it involved Edina.

I couldn't agree more.

If the roles were reversed and Edina played dirty and got blown out by 6 goals (it didn't even feel that close by the end), people would be praising LN and criticizing Edina for their play and poor performance. It's not news that people love to hate the Hornets, but it's a shame when they let their feelings get in the way of something pretty special. This was a great team with a truly dominating performance through their section and state tournament. They earned the right to be proud and celebrate each goal.

[almostashappy]

This was a great team with a truly dominating performance through their section and state tournament. They earned the right to be proud and celebrate each goal.

You consider the 3-1 win on Friday a "dominating performance?" Edina's first goal was an own-goal gift, and the third goal was an empty netter. Eagan hit three pipes before Jack Jenson's goal shut down the "It's all over!" chant from the Edina student section.

I'm not saying that Edina wasn't the better team that night, because they were (that night). Just suggesting that your green-colored glasses are a little smudgy.

And please, tell me that you truly believe that Edina had the right to celly the three goals I highlighted. It'd do wonders for Edina's reputation.

[cake83]

This was a great team with a truly dominating performance through their section and state tournament. They earned the right to be proud and celebrate each goal.

You consider the 3-1 win on Friday a "dominating performance?" Edina's first goal was an own-goal gift, and the third goal was an empty netter. Eagan hit three pipes before Jack Jenson's goal shut down the "It's all over!" chant from the Edina student section.

I'm not saying that Edina wasn't the better team that night, because they were (that night). Just suggesting that your green-colored glasses are a little smudgy.

And please, tell me that you truly believe that Edina had the right to celly the three goals I highlighted. It'd do wonders for Edina's reputation.

Typical - I'm from Edina so my opinion couldn't possibly be valid, right?

Eagan gave up the second fewest goals all season and arguably had the states best goalie. As a team, they were peaking and playing their best hockey through sections and on Thursday night. They absolutely gave their very best and it was unquestionably the toughest game Edina had to play...

...that being said, Edina out-shot Eagan 27-16, won more face-offs to the tune of 26-19, controlled the puck and play, and scored more points (7-2) as a team. As far as scoring goes, Dylan Malmquist's goal might not have been "clean," but his skating and puck handling were flawless. In the end, Eagan only got back to within a goal with less than a minute left and after pulling their goalie. Yes, it was exciting, but the game didn't play nearly as close as those final 45 seconds might lead you to believe.

Where I feel comfortable describing their state run as "dominant," is that, when playing the strong defensive team like Eagan, Edina beat them by better defense and better goal-tending. Edina blocked 11 shots to Eagan's 1 and Rohkohl had a higher save percentage in that game than Lindgren. When they played an offensively strong team like Lakeville North, well, we all know how that turned out.

They didn't just beat teams, they took them apart at their own game. Hate the cake all you want, but it would be stupid to pretend this team didn't make it all look easy.

[Mite-dad]

I think the celly's are more for the fans than self-glamorization. Look at our buddy Ovechkin. No one celly's harder than he does. I'm not really a fan of his, but I gotta admire his enthusiasm when he scores and about jumps through the glass. Think of past celly's. Loved Hanowski's salute. That was awesome. Usually an individual celly is followed by a team hug. Just my observations.

BTW, I'm not really an Edina fan, but I was after watching for awhile in that game. LN needed a lesson in sportsmanship for sure. They definitely got a lesson!

[almostashappy]

Typical - I'm from Edina so my opinion couldn't possibly be valid, right?

Typical - You're from Edina so nobody has the right to question your (initially) unsupported opinions, right? Qu'ils mangent de la brioche!

[cake83]

Typical - I'm from Edina so my opinion couldn't possibly be valid, right?

Typical - You're from Edina so nobody has the right to question your (initially) unsupported opinions, right? Qu'ils mangent de la brioche!

My opinions were always supported (the stat sheet didn't change), you just needed me to spell it out to you.

[secondplace3x]

[quote="cake83"][quote="almostashappy"][quote="cake83"]This was a great team with a truly dominating performance through their section and state tournament. They earned the right to be proud and celebrate each goal.[/quote]

You consider the 3-1 win on Friday a "dominating performance?" Edina's first goal was an own-goal gift, and the third goal was an empty netter. Eagan hit three pipes before Jack Jenson's goal shut down the "It's all over!" chant from the Edina student section.

I'm not saying that Edina wasn't the better team that night, because they were (that night). Just suggesting that your green-colored glasses are a little smudgy. :wink:

And please, tell me that you truly believe that Edina had the right to celly the three goals I highlighted. It'd do wonders for Edina's reputation. :lol:[/quote]

Typical - I'm from Edina so my opinion couldn't possibly be valid, right?

Eagan gave up the second fewest goals all season and arguably had the states best goalie. As a team, they were peaking and playing their best hockey through sections and on Thursday night. They absolutely gave their very best and it was unquestionably the toughest game Edina had to play...

...that being said, Edina out-shot Eagan 27-16, won more face-offs to the tune of 26-19, controlled the puck and play, and scored more points (7-2) as a team. As far as scoring goes, Dylan Malmquist's goal might not have been "clean," but his skating and puck handling were flawless. In the end, Eagan only got back to within a goal with less than a minute left and after pulling their goalie. Yes, it was exciting, but the game didn't play nearly as close as those final 45 seconds might lead you to believe.

Where I feel comfortable describing their state run as "dominant," is that, when playing the strong defensive team like Eagan, Edina beat them by better defense and better goal-tending. Edina blocked 11 shots to Eagan's 1 and Rohkohl had a higher save percentage in that game than Lindgren. When they played an offensively strong team like Lakeville North, well, we all know how that turned out.

They didn't just beat teams, they took them apart at their own game. Hate the cake all you want, but it would be stupid to pretend this team didn't make it all look easy.[/quote]

[almostashappy]

Typical - I'm from Edina so my opinion couldn't possibly be valid, right?

Typical - You're from Edina so nobody has the right to question your (initially) unsupported opinions, right? Qu'ils mangent de la brioche!

My opinions were always supported (the stat sheet didn't change), you just needed me to spell it out to you.

This lovely bit of patronizing smugness is surprisingly on-topic. You do your community proud, Sir!

[green4]

This was a great team with a truly dominating performance through their section and state tournament. They earned the right to be proud and celebrate each goal.

You consider the 3-1 win on Friday a "dominating performance?" Edina's first goal was an own-goal gift, and the third goal was an empty netter. Eagan hit three pipes before Jack Jenson's goal shut down the "It's all over!" chant from the Edina student section.

I'm not saying that Edina wasn't the better team that night, because they were (that night). Just suggesting that your green-colored glasses are a little smudgy.

And please, tell me that you truly believe that Edina had the right to celly the three goals I highlighted. It'd do wonders for Edina's reputation.

I had no problem with it what so ever. You act as if there not aloud to celebrate at all. Nanne's first goal was indeed off the back of the boards but it was also an extremely mild celebration. He put his hands up in the air and his teammates came around to hug him. Its the first goal of the tournament for the team and you want them to not celebrate at all?
The second goal nanne had was indeed off the Stillwater player but yet again a pretty mild mannered celebration. He went over to the glass skated into it with his body and hugged his teammates.
The 3rd one Malmquist pumped his arms a few times and hugged his teammates. He was obviously jacked up because they had scored a goal less than 2 minutes into the state semi final game, regardless that the eagan player knocked it in he created a great play and has the right to celebrate.
None of those three celebrations were extreme I thought, though Nanne in the Stillwater game did have some "individual" celebrations later on.

It's easy for you to make these things sound bad and roll your eyes When you type some of this stuff especially when its about Edina but I can do the same for Eagan. How about when Wolff had that individual celebration when his team tried to hug him when he didn't even score?
Obviously I don't blame him for that because he probably thought he did score. A big goal too, to take a 1-0 lead in the final seconds of the 2nd period.
Maybe these kids just get excited when there team scores?