STATE SEEDINGS AA

[Zamman]

go back to old way of rotating the sections through, and hand out trophies and medals to all participants. As an extra bonus give all the whiners in the state a skirt, so they are not left out.

[gopherpuck516]

Everyone says the quarterfinal matchups are random after you seed the top four teams... but why has the #1 seed the last two years played lakeville north (the obvious "8" seed) ?? just curious.

I've thought the same thing, which is why if MG wins and gets seeded 2nd I highly doubt we'll see BSM/Edina/Eagan vs Duluth East in the 1st round.

[almostashappy]

I would seed them like so if all top seed make it...

#1 East
#2 Maple Grove
#3 Edina
#4 Eagan

QF matchups I would like to see...

11:00 Maple Grove vs Hill Murray
2:00 Edina vs BSM


6:00 East vs Moorhead
8:00 Eagan vs South

Swap Moorhead and South and this looks a little more likely. I think that the "random" draw also has an amazing ability to avoid QF pairings for teams from the same conference. Oh, and while you're at it, move the Eagan/Spuds game to the afternoon.

[minnscout]

1 DE
2 MG
3 EDina
4 Eagan

This does not mean these are the top 4 teams right now but based on record for entire season this is how it will look I believe. Good Luck to all teams should be a great torney.

[goldy313]

I don't think we'll see an Eagan/South game Thursday as they're in the same conference. There's nothing preventing it but as someone pointed out the draw seems as about random as fixed dice. North and New Ulm have each drawn the top seed two years running.

[northwoods oldtimer]

1AA: Lakeville South
2AA: Edina
3AA: Eagan
4AA: Hill
5AA: Blaine or Maple Grove (Blaine might just put a wrench in the thing)
6AA: BSM
7AA: East
8AA: Spuds

This is how the "random draw" should go:
Afternoon session
#2 Maple Grove -Hill
#3 Eagan - Moorhead

Evening Session
#1 East - Lakeville South
#4 Edina-BSM

[gopherpuck516]

1AA: Lakeville South
2AA: Edina
3AA: Eagan
4AA: Hill
5AA: Blaine or Maple Grove (Blaine might just put a wrench in the thing)
6AA: BSM
7AA: East
8AA: Spuds

This is how the "random draw" should go:
Afternoon session
#2 Maple Grove -Hill
#3 Eagan - Moorhead

Evening Session
#1 East - Lakeville South
#4 Edina-BSM

100% agree with those matchups. Edina vs BSM would shape up to be a classic game and a very good one for the 8:00 game

[Usthockey13]

1AA: Lakeville South
2AA: Edina
3AA: Eagan
4AA: Hill
5AA: Blaine or Maple Grove (Blaine might just put a wrench in the thing)
6AA: BSM
7AA: East
8AA: Spuds

This is how the "random draw" should go:
Afternoon session
#2 Maple Grove -Hill
#3 Eagan - Moorhead

Evening Session
#1 East - Lakeville South
#4 Edina-BSM

100% agree with those matchups. Edina vs BSM would shape up to be a classic game and a very good one for the 8:00 game

I just dont see them if they can have East and Moorhead on opposite sides of bracket.. They dont want a chance of having an all north final

[northwoods oldtimer]

1AA: Lakeville South
2AA: Edina
3AA: Eagan
4AA: Hill
5AA: Blaine or Maple Grove (Blaine might just put a wrench in the thing)
6AA: BSM
7AA: East
8AA: Spuds

This is how the "random draw" should go:
Afternoon session
#2 Maple Grove -Hill
#3 Eagan - Moorhead

Evening Session
#1 East - Lakeville South
#4 Edina-BSM

100% agree with those matchups. Edina vs BSM would shape up to be a classic game and a very good one for the 8:00 game

gopherpuck516, what do hockey rubes know. Leave it up to MSHSL to jumble a no brainer....

[slyer]

moorhead doesn't have a chance, they'll lose there first game no matter who they play, they had to beat brainerd to get to state, brainerd isn't even ranked

[easton18]

moorhead doesn't have a chance, they'll lose there first game no matter who they play, they had to beat brainerd to get to state, brainerd isn't even ranked

So by that logic, Eagan, Lakeville South, and Hill (assuming they win) will all lose in the first round as well, since they beat unranked teams to get to state?

[whos_it]

The Spuds probably have the best Thursday and Friday record at the state tounament in the past 20 years. Saturday is another story. Don't sell Moorhead short in the first 2 rounds, you may find yourself short some pocket change.

[Goal]

moorhead doesn't have a chance, they'll lose there first game no matter who they play, they had to beat brainerd to get to state, brainerd isn't even ranked

When you have the best goaltender in the state you always have a chance and Moorhead has the best goalie in the state so they have a chance.

[gitter]

Northwoods - You're right, I've got a feeling Blaine just might pull off another upset tonight. Although Lakeville South got the monkey off their back.

And lets not crown Hill yet either while we're at it. Roseville managed to take Wayzata to OT earlier this year, so there is some potential there. Regardless, neither team will be seeded.

Right now I see 3 guaranteed seeds - DE, Eagan and Edina. We will see if MG pulls it out tonight - if not BSM should get the last seed.

With all this random draw conspiracy - I've got a feeling DE won't pull the Lakeville South seed (or Roseville if the knock off Hill). They won't get BSM (should MG win) but in order to keep the illusion of random draw, I think they pull Moorhead (or the 6 or 7 equivalent, pending outcomes tonight).

[Sats81]

In addition to the other reasons stated by others, I think there was an unstated reason why seeding is 1-4 and not 1-8.

There is often a significant mismatch between the #1 and the team that would be #8. I don't think TV wants a 7-1 game during prime time. Obviously this wouldn't prove true every year, but it would happen often enough. And it's difficult to overestimate the influence of TV on sports, even high school sports.

I think it was in 1998 a very mediocre Owatonna was handled very easily by a good but not great Jefferson. It was a difficult game for all involved. I think Owatonna got just a few shots on goal the whole game. I think the specter of a game like that every year spooked TX execs.

Separately, I don't recall that the first year the Let's Play Hockey ratings were accepted. My thought is that it has always been done by the coaches.

I would definitely say they were a lot better than 'good' and closer to 'great' this was a team that I believe went 26-2 and their 2nd loss was in the state semifinal in OT to eventual champion DE who was the beneficiary of a crossbar and a post in overtime (Adam Coole had no chance on either shot-sorry Hounds faithful ) but nontheless, went on to the 3rd place game and absolutely dismantled a very solid Roseau sqaud who was comprised primarily of the players who came back the next year in 99 and went through the tourney field unlike any I have seen since. They were clearly the 2nd best team in the state in 98 and I think if they played east 10 times would have split even 5-5. Btw, Owatonna got in that year because they scored a huge upset over a Rochester JM team that was pretty 'good' definitely not 'great' Lol.

[icehornet]

This has probably been said already but with the last games being played tonight (for AA) when will the actual seeds/brackets come out? This weekend?

[Sats81]

This has probably been said already but with the last games being played tonight (for AA) when will the actual seeds/brackets come out? This weekend?

Pretty sure its sat or sun.

[hockeyhockeyhockey]

Northwoods - You're right, I've got a feeling Blaine just might pull off another upset tonight. Although Lakeville South got the monkey off their back.

And lets not crown Hill yet either while we're at it. Roseville managed to take Wayzata to OT earlier this year, so there is some potential there. Regardless, neither team will be seeded.

Right now I see 3 guaranteed seeds - DE, Eagan and Edina. We will see if MG pulls it out tonight - if not BSM should get the last seed.

With all this random draw conspiracy - I've got a feeling DE won't pull the Lakeville South seed (or Roseville if the knock off Hill). They won't get BSM (should MG win) but in order to keep the illusion of random draw, I think they pull Moorhead (or the 6 or 7 equivalent, pending outcomes tonight).

u have a better chance of seeing god at the HM BSM opening round game (if Blaine wins tonight) than seeing both northern teams square off in Game 1.. A DE morehead game will for sure not happen, the random draw would never allow that..but I almost guarantee BSM vs HM first round

[gitter]

Northwoods - You're right, I've got a feeling Blaine just might pull off another upset tonight. Although Lakeville South got the monkey off their back.

And lets not crown Hill yet either while we're at it. Roseville managed to take Wayzata to OT earlier this year, so there is some potential there. Regardless, neither team will be seeded.

Right now I see 3 guaranteed seeds - DE, Eagan and Edina. We will see if MG pulls it out tonight - if not BSM should get the last seed.

With all this random draw conspiracy - I've got a feeling DE won't pull the Lakeville South seed (or Roseville if the knock off Hill). They won't get BSM (should MG win) but in order to keep the illusion of random draw, I think they pull Moorhead (or the 6 or 7 equivalent, pending outcomes tonight).

u have a better chance of seeing god at the HM BSM opening round game (if Blaine wins tonight) than seeing both northern teams square off in Game 1.. A DE morehead game will for sure not happen, the random draw would never allow that..but I almost guarantee BSM vs HM first round

Don't be so sure....there is the theory that the MSHSL doesn't like to see the all-north final. This would alleviate that problem right away

[xy]

I appreciate a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy . . . but without a speck of evidence I find it hard to buy into the idea that the high school league is rigging the matchups, and so publicly lying about it, since they say the assignment of non-seeded teams is random. According to the high school league website, the drawing takes place during a conference call, which is open to the media. If they've been able to pull off a conspiracy that has not been exposed, it would really be quite impressive.

I grant you that if they were going to conspire, Lakeville North vs. the #1 seed the last two years is exactly what would have happened, but there was a 1 in 4 chance of that matchup happening each year, so the odds against it really aren't that remote - 1 in 16, I believe.

[gitter]

I appreciate a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy . . . but without a speck of evidence I find it hard to buy into the idea that the high school league is rigging the matchups, and so publicly lying about it, since they say the assignment of non-seeded teams is random. According to the high school league website, the drawing takes place during a conference call, which is open to the media. If they've been able to pull off a conspiracy that has not been exposed, it would really be quite impressive.

I grant you that if they were going to conspire, Lakeville North vs. the #1 seed the last two years is exactly what would have happened, but there was a 1 in 4 chance of that matchup happening each year, so the odds against it really aren't that remote - 1 in 16, I believe.

One of the numbers guys calculated it earlier - 0.39% chance of the 8 seed drawing the 1 seed in both A and AA two years in a row. I think that's where it has started to manifest from.

Everyone's aware of the call, but people have pointed out that there isn't video of the guy pulling names out of the hat so to speak.

I really don't care, but it is BS when the top seed draws the #5 seed. All of the sudden you're better off being the #4 seed - which should never be the case. I know you've got to win 3 games regardless, but everyone gets the point.

[mnmouth]

In addition to the other reasons stated by others, I think there was an unstated reason why seeding is 1-4 and not 1-8.

There is often a significant mismatch between the #1 and the team that would be #8. I don't think TV wants a 7-1 game during prime time. Obviously this wouldn't prove true every year, but it would happen often enough. And it's difficult to overestimate the influence of TV on sports, even high school sports.

I think it was in 1998 a very mediocre Owatonna was handled very easily by a good but not great Jefferson. It was a difficult game for all involved. I think Owatonna got just a few shots on goal the whole game. I think the specter of a game like that every year spooked TX execs.

Separately, I don't recall that the first year the Let's Play Hockey ratings were accepted. My thought is that it has always been done by the coaches.

I would definitely say they were a lot better than 'good' and closer to 'great' this was a team that I believe went 26-2 and their 2nd loss was in the state semifinal in OT to eventual champion DE who was the beneficiary of a crossbar and a post in overtime (Adam Coole had no chance on either shot-sorry Hounds faithful ) but nontheless, went on to the 3rd place game and absolutely dismantled a very solid Roseau sqaud who was comprised primarily of the players who came back the next year in 99 and went through the tourney field unlike any I have seen since. [/b]They were clearly the 2nd best team in the state in 98 and I think if they played east 10 times would have split even 5-5.[/b] Btw, Owatonna got in that year because they scored a huge upset over a Rochester JM team that was pretty 'good' definitely not 'great' Lol.

East was the best team in '98 and went into the tournament as the top-rated or second-rated team, depending on what rankings you were looking at. Their path to the title was also the most difficult of any of the other teams, as they beat in succession Hastings, Jefferson and Anoka, all ranked in the top 4. East had a tremendous defensive team that year (giving up just 35 goals in the regular season), balanced scoring among its top 3 lines and would have beaten Jefferson at least 7 out of 10 times had they played that many times. East was also rated as the #1 HS team in the nation that season, just ahead of Jefferson.

[Doc Holliday]

I appreciate a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy . . . but without a speck of evidence I find it hard to buy into the idea that the high school league is rigging the matchups, and so publicly lying about it, since they say the assignment of non-seeded teams is random. According to the high school league website, the drawing takes place during a conference call, which is open to the media. If they've been able to pull off a conspiracy that has not been exposed, it would really be quite impressive.

I grant you that if they were going to conspire, Lakeville North vs. the #1 seed the last two years is exactly what would have happened, but there was a 1 in 4 chance of that matchup happening each year, so the odds against it really aren't that remote - 1 in 16, I believe.

One of the numbers guys calculated it earlier - 0.39% chance of the 8 seed drawing the 1 seed in both A and AA two years in a row. I think that's where it has started to manifest from.

Everyone's aware of the call, but people have pointed out that there isn't video of the guy pulling names out of the hat so to speak.

I really don't care, but it is BS when the top seed draws the #5 seed. All of the sudden you're better off being the #4 seed - which should never be the case. I know you've got to win 3 games regardless, but everyone gets the point.

I guess I kind of started it. Like I said, I'm not going to call foul on it; just was stating that the odds statistically were very remote that Tonka would draw Lakeville North, Breck would draw New Ulm, EP would draw L'Ville North and STA would draw New Ulm. I'll wonder if something is up if it rolls that way again.

Then again, it doesn't seem like the coaches are raising a stink over it, so it probably is legit. I don't care I guess; perhaps 1 should play "8." Just don't say that the other four is a "random" draw.

I do disagree with the popular sentiment here regarding the possibility of East playing Benilde if it works out that way. I miss a good, nasty quarterfinal matchup. I don't mind a 1 vs. "5" quarterfinal. I know I'm in the minority with that opinion though....

[blueblood]

7 of 8 #1 seeds in AA have or will advance to QF's on Thursday. BSM will not be in the top 4. bb's prrojections:

#1 - DE
#2 - MG
#3 - Edina
#4 - Eagan

bb's preferred "AA" QF match-ups are:

11:00am MG vs. Moorhead; metro vs. northern mn
1:30pm Edina vs. BSM; metro public vs. metro private
6:00pm DE vs. Hill-Murray; northern mn vs. private
8:30pm Eagan vs. Lakeville South; top 2 SSC teams

[Master Recruiter]

7 of 8 #1 seeds in AA have or will advance to QF's on Thursday. BSM will not be in the top 4. bb's prrojections:

#1 - DE
#2 - MG
#3 - Edina
#4 - Eagan

bb's preferred "AA" QF match-ups are:

11:00am MG vs. Moorhead; metro vs. northern mn
1:30pm Edina vs. BSM; metro public vs. metro private
6:00pm DE vs. Hill-Murray; northern mn vs. private
8:30pm Eagan vs. Lakeville South; top 2 SSC teams

Best matchups in my opinion.

Maple Grove vs Lakeville South
Edina vs Moorhead
DE vs North Metro All Stars
Eagan vs West Metro All Stars