Def'n of Tier I

[MrBoDangles]

HD41 - Sorry thought you chimed in on the ADM thread about High Performance Clubs in MN.

Q- Your contention that the upper 5% to 10% of our youth hockey participants are undeserved is incorrect in my opinion. No need to talk slower I understand your argument I just disagree with it.

As for the choice league filling up because Minnesota Hockey is broken, my contention is that your off on the reason. I think it has more to do with the fact that they are located in the middle of the the states largest associations and that those parents feel more pressure than most can understand to try and give their player the boost they need to make the HS team. I feel sorry for the Edina parent that dreams of their boy playing at the X some day when they see him as 1 of 175 mites, Bernie is selling them the dream of an edge over the rest of them, right or wrong that is how he makes most of his money.

Bo- Still have never heard of a waiver from a B association to an A team being denied. If the skill is there they will be welcome to the new association. I have personally seen it to be true in at least 20 kids.

So if I decide to have my kid waive into Centennial(another district 10 association) they'll accept him? The answer is no. Call them and ask.... I think they'll let you play C level.

The kids will never get a fair shake waiving into another association. They know that they're not a part of their future high school success........Red Headed Stepchild . How much worse does it get when the waive in kid ends up being the best player?

Don't even try

[Quasar]

HD41 - Sorry thought you chimed in on the ADM thread about High Performance Clubs in MN.

Q- Your contention that the upper 5% to 10% of our youth hockey participants are undeserved is incorrect in my opinion. No need to talk slower I understand your argument I just disagree with it.

As for the choice league filling up because Minnesota Hockey is broken, my contention is that your off on the reason. I think it has more to do with the fact that they are located in the middle of the the states largest associations and that those parents feel more pressure than most can understand to try and give their player the boost they need to make the HS team. I feel sorry for the Edina parent that dreams of their boy playing at the X some day when they see him as 1 of 175 mites, Bernie is selling them the dream of an edge over the rest of them, right or wrong that is how he makes most of his money.

Bo- Still have never heard of a waiver from a B association to an A team being denied. If the skill is there they will be welcome to the new association. I have personally seen it to be true in at least 20 kids.

So if I decide to have my kid waive into Centennial(another district 10 association) they'll accept him? The answer is no. Call them and ask.... I think they'll let you play C level.

The kids will never get a fair shake waiving into another association. They know that they're not a part of their future high school success........Red Headed Stepchild . How much worse does it get when the waive in kid ends up being the best player?

Don't even try

I guess that means Elk River is out of the question too

[luckyEPDad]

HD41 - Sorry thought you chimed in on the ADM thread about High Performance Clubs in MN.

Q- Your contention that the upper 5% to 10% of our youth hockey participants are undeserved is incorrect in my opinion. No need to talk slower I understand your argument I just disagree with it.

As for the choice league filling up because Minnesota Hockey is broken, my contention is that your off on the reason. I think it has more to do with the fact that they are located in the middle of the the states largest associations and that those parents feel more pressure than most can understand to try and give their player the boost they need to make the HS team. I feel sorry for the Edina parent that dreams of their boy playing at the X some day when they see him as 1 of 175 mites, Bernie is selling them the dream of an edge over the rest of them, right or wrong that is how he makes most of his money.

Bo- Still have never heard of a waiver from a B association to an A team being denied. If the skill is there they will be welcome to the new association. I have personally seen it to be true in at least 20 kids.

So if I decide to have my kid waive into Centennial(another district 10 association) they'll accept him? The answer is no. Call them and ask.... I think they'll let you play C level.

The kids will never get a fair shake waiving into another association. They know that they're not a part of their future high school success........Red Headed Stepchild . How much worse does it get when the waive in kid ends up being the best player?

Don't even try

I know some EP kids who played in Edina for a while. They neither resided or went to school there, but lived closer to Braemar than the EP Community center. They later decided to drive the extra distance and play with their classmates, but to my knowledge Edina never made a peep. I also know some kids who played EP association hockey that we always knew we were going to lose come HS. Again, nobody made a peep.

There may be some jerks who think only about their HS team or this year's record, but most of the hockey people I know only care about the kids.

[old goalie85]

Bo- we do take waive ins!![one bantam A from CL, one pee-wee A from johnson last year] This year two coming in I think one is NB, not sure though. I will find out when I talk to my wife.

[Quasar]

HD41 - Sorry thought you chimed in on the ADM thread about High Performance Clubs in MN.

Q- Your contention that the upper 5% to 10% of our youth hockey participants are undeserved is incorrect in my opinion. No need to talk slower I understand your argument I just disagree with it.

As for the choice league filling up because Minnesota Hockey is broken, my contention is that your off on the reason. I think it has more to do with the fact that they are located in the middle of the the states largest associations and that those parents feel more pressure than most can understand to try and give their player the boost they need to make the HS team. I feel sorry for the Edina parent that dreams of their boy playing at the X some day when they see him as 1 of 175 mites, Bernie is selling them the dream of an edge over the rest of them, right or wrong that is how he makes most of his money.

Bo- Still have never heard of a waiver from a B association to an A team being denied. If the skill is there they will be welcome to the new association. I have personally seen it to be true in at least 20 kids.

So if I decide to have my kid waive into Centennial(another district 10 association) they'll accept him? The answer is no. Call them and ask.... I think they'll let you play C level.

The kids will never get a fair shake waiving into another association. They know that they're not a part of their future high school success........Red Headed Stepchild . How much worse does it get when the waive in kid ends up being the best player?

Don't even try

I know some EP kids who played in Edina for a while. They neither resided or went to school there, but lived closer to Braemar than the EP Community center. They later decided to drive the extra distance and play with their classmates, but to my knowledge Edina never made a peep. I also know some kids who played EP association hockey that we always knew we were going to lose come HS. Again, nobody made a peep.

There may be some jerks who think only about their HS team or this year's record, but most of the hockey people I know only care about the kids.

I would be willing to bet if the best bantam player in EP decided to move to Edina, for whatever reason.. There would be no waiver given...

It's not about C players. They are welcome anywhere. It's about Studs wanting to find something better. Let's say a Kid from Pine City that just become a free agent because he can't play for the fire wanted to come play in EP. Do you think they would take him in ?

[Quasar]

Bo- we do take waive ins!![one bantam A from CL, one pee-wee A from johnson last year] This year two coming in I think one is NB, not sure though. I will find out when I talk to my wife.

Hey OG,
What are you guys trying to do? Build a super team or something??

[observer]

If a player plays in an association that doesn't offer A level of play they can receive a waiver to tryout to play with the neighboring association, in their District, that does offer A level of play.

KISS

This is a nearby solution for players that you so passionately feel for. Try this first but from what I remember you don't even have a youth player.

[old goalie85]

Trying to take over the world...

[Quasar]

If a player plays in an association that doesn't offer A level of play they can receive a waiver to tryout to play with the neighboring association, in their District, that does offer A level of play.

KISS

This is a nearby solution for players that you so passionately feel for. Try this first but from what I remember you don't even have a youth player.

Your right I don't. Did..
How about the player that plays in an association with an A team? Not so easy for him Huh?
It's about freedom of choice ..That should be simple enough. I'll just ignore the stupid part

[the_juiceman]

If a player plays in an association that doesn't offer A level of play they can receive a waiver to tryout to play with the neighboring association, in their District, that does offer A level of play.

KISS

This is a nearby solution for players that you so passionately feel for. Try this first but from what I remember you don't even have a youth player.

Correct--I know district 10 has that policy. The Player MUST make the "A" team in the new association or he goes back to the original Asscoiation.

[the_juiceman]

HD41 - Sorry thought you chimed in on the ADM thread about High Performance Clubs in MN.

Q- Your contention that the upper 5% to 10% of our youth hockey participants are undeserved is incorrect in my opinion. No need to talk slower I understand your argument I just disagree with it.

As for the choice league filling up because Minnesota Hockey is broken, my contention is that your off on the reason. I think it has more to do with the fact that they are located in the middle of the the states largest associations and that those parents feel more pressure than most can understand to try and give their player the boost they need to make the HS team. I feel sorry for the Edina parent that dreams of their boy playing at the X some day when they see him as 1 of 175 mites, Bernie is selling them the dream of an edge over the rest of them, right or wrong that is how he makes most of his money.

Bo- Still have never heard of a waiver from a B association to an A team being denied. If the skill is there they will be welcome to the new association. I have personally seen it to be true in at least 20 kids.

So if I decide to have my kid waive into Centennial(another district 10 association) they'll accept him? The answer is no. Call them and ask.... I think they'll let you play C level.

The kids will never get a fair shake waiving into another association. They know that they're not a part of their future high school success........Red Headed Stepchild . How much worse does it get when the waive in kid ends up being the best player?

Don't even try

CR had one waiver into Andover last year--and was a top 5 player on their A Bantam team.

[MrBoDangles]

HD41 - Sorry thought you chimed in on the ADM thread about High Performance Clubs in MN.

Q- Your contention that the upper 5% to 10% of our youth hockey participants are undeserved is incorrect in my opinion. No need to talk slower I understand your argument I just disagree with it.

As for the choice league filling up because Minnesota Hockey is broken, my contention is that your off on the reason. I think it has more to do with the fact that they are located in the middle of the the states largest associations and that those parents feel more pressure than most can understand to try and give their player the boost they need to make the HS team. I feel sorry for the Edina parent that dreams of their boy playing at the X some day when they see him as 1 of 175 mites, Bernie is selling them the dream of an edge over the rest of them, right or wrong that is how he makes most of his money.

Bo- Still have never heard of a waiver from a B association to an A team being denied. If the skill is there they will be welcome to the new association. I have personally seen it to be true in at least 20 kids.

So if I decide to have my kid waive into Centennial(another district 10 association) they'll accept him? The answer is no. Call them and ask.... I think they'll let you play C level.

The kids will never get a fair shake waiving into another association. They know that they're not a part of their future high school success........Red Headed Stepchild . How much worse does it get when the waive in kid ends up being the best player?

Don't even try

CR had one waiver into Andover last year--and was a top 5 player on their A Bantam team.

And we had people griping about it on here all last winter.

[MrBoDangles]

If a player plays in an association that doesn't offer A level of play they can receive a waiver to tryout to play with the neighboring association, in their District, that does offer A level of play.

KISS

This is a nearby solution for players that you so passionately feel for. Try this first but from what I remember you don't even have a youth player.

Centennial is the closest that offers A level Hockey. Call them to see if they allow kids to waive in and play A Hockey.

Welcome to the real world

[the_juiceman]

If a player plays in an association that doesn't offer A level of play they can receive a waiver to tryout to play with the neighboring association, in their District, that does offer A level of play.

KISS

This is a nearby solution for players that you so passionately feel for. Try this first but from what I remember you don't even have a youth player.

Centennial is the closest that offers A level Hockey. Call them to see if they allow kids to waive in and play A Hockey.

Welcome to the real world

according to Dist. 10 they have to let them try-out, the association can't say no. Whether the association evaluates him fairly is a whole different can of worms.

[MrBoDangles]

If a player plays in an association that doesn't offer A level of play they can receive a waiver to tryout to play with the neighboring association, in their District, that does offer A level of play.

KISS

This is a nearby solution for players that you so passionately feel for. Try this first but from what I remember you don't even have a youth player.

Centennial is the closest that offers A level Hockey. Call them to see if they allow kids to waive in and play A Hockey.

Welcome to the real world

according to Dist. 10 they have to let them try-out, the association can't say no. Whether the association evaluates him fairly is a whole different can of worms.

Centennial did NOT allow waive- ins to play A or B Hockey.

You must remember the griping about the CR kid now. It;s not fair for a kid.....The whole set up is not fair.

[DMom]

Andover had a CL on their PeeWee A team, he was allowed to waiver over due to no A team in CL. District 10 will work with you to find a home for an A player in a B only association, that much I know.

OG, no need to recruit Bo, he's already part of the program. Why are we even talking about waivers when all you have to do is change your kid's school?? Go to school in Centennial and your child plays in Centennial. I know for a fact a Forest Lake kid left and went to Centennial and played Bantam A as a first year, so it can be done, but he is a very good hockey player, and his family did eventually move.

[Quasar]

If Forest Lake waived in all the Fire kids, would they get kicked out of Minnesota hockey? Or, would they be in the State tournament in all age groups? Now that's something to think about!

[interestedbystander]

http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/ ... up/Sports/

[MrBoDangles]

Andover had a CL on their PeeWee A team, he was allowed to waiver over due to no A team in CL. District 10 will work with you to find a home for an A player in a B only association, that much I know.

OG, no need to recruit Bo, he's already part of the program. Why are we even talking about waivers when all you have to do is change your kid's school?? Go to school in Centennial and your child plays in Centennial. I know for a fact a Forest Lake kid left and went to Centennial and played Bantam A as a first year, so it can be done, but he is a very good hockey player, and his family did eventually move.

Centennial's rule is that no waive ins could play A or B Hockey. It must have been a inside job..... smarty pants!

[old goalie85]

Dm-Gottya

[DMom]

Andover had a CL on their PeeWee A team, he was allowed to waiver over due to no A team in CL. District 10 will work with you to find a home for an A player in a B only association, that much I know.

OG, no need to recruit Bo, he's already part of the program. Why are we even talking about waivers when all you have to do is change your kid's school?? Go to school in Centennial and your child plays in Centennial. I know for a fact a Forest Lake kid left and went to Centennial and played Bantam A as a first year, so it can be done, but he is a very good hockey player, and his family did eventually move.

Centennial's rule is that no waive ins could play A or B Hockey. It must have been a inside job..... smarty pants!

Forest Lake had that rule and it took 30 seconds to change it, it's gone now. The kid I'm thinking about wasn't a waiver situation, they moved. I guess you are set on not moving, than how important is it?

Granted there is no Catholic school option in Centennial, (get busy parish of St. Joe's , take him to St. Mary's, White Bear shouldn't have a problem. And I'm thinking that both Andover and Blaine are closer to North Branch than Centennial is.

Guess what? It doesn't matter. You can drive your kid anywhere you want when they are younger, when they are older they have to want to get hit, they have to want to lift weights, they have to want to not smoke pot (like it seems most of their friends find time to do), they have to want to go to hockey practice instead of getting a job, they have to want to put down the Xbox controller, they have to want to tell their girlfriend they can't go to a party because there might be alcohol there, they have to want....there are many, many variables and for that reason my 10 year old doesn't play AAA, he didn't skate on your B team last year, and we don't drive him anywhere out of the way. If he wants to, he'll be on the pond with his brothers and he won't get any better training than he gets from them. The odds that he'll make all of the above choices correctly are good because we are active and involved parents, so if he still wants to be a hockey player more power to him, but by than we'll just be so proud of the man he is becoming, we won't care if he doesn't get up to go weight train....the key is if he cares.

[HockeyDad41]

Forest Lake had that rule and it took 30 seconds to change it, it's gone now. The kid I'm thinking about wasn't a waiver situation, they moved. I guess you are set on not moving, than how important is it?

Granted there is no Catholic school option in Centennial, (get busy parish of St. Joe's , take him to St. Mary's, White Bear shouldn't have a problem. And I'm thinking that both Andover and Blaine are closer to North Branch than Centennial is.

Guess what? It doesn't matter. You can drive your kid anywhere you want when they are younger, when they are older they have to want to get hit, they have to want to lift weights, they have to want to not smoke pot (like it seems most of their friends find time to do), they have to want to go to hockey practice instead of getting a job, they have to want to put down the Xbox controller, they have to want to tell their girlfriend they can't go to a party because there might be alcohol there, they have to want....there are many, many variables and for that reason my 10 year old doesn't play AAA, he didn't skate on your B team last year, and we don't drive him anywhere out of the way. If he wants to, he'll be on the pond with his brothers and he won't get any better training than he gets from them. The odds that he'll make all of the above choices correctly are good because we are active and involved parents, so if he still wants to be a hockey player more power to him, but by than we'll just be so proud of the man he is becoming, we won't care if he doesn't get up to go weight train....the key is if he cares.

Sounds like most of the kids in the local association. They find other things to do in the summer and don't much care if they play on the winter C team as long as they get to play. Nothing at all wrong with that approach if the kid is happy.

Now if it turns out that skating on that pond develops him into that A player, we're gonna need grid coordinates or a mapquest map so we can find it.