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goldy313 wrote:Get rid of the individual preplanned goal celebration, it's getting ridiculous and it's even a penalty in the NFL now. I'm all for emotion but when the goal scorer skates away from his team and pretends to shoot a bazooka? Throw him in the box.
Isn't Bazooka Training 101 a course at STA? :wink:

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Change the State Tourney back to one class but have 16 teams going in. One section for private schools and the winner of that section has to face a large city section school in round #1.

Varsity coaches have to be teachers at their respective high schools. This is a school activity, too many people have forgotten that. Too many ignorant, small minded people ruining too many kids hockey experiences.

Team average GPA should have some bearing in the standings, kind of like fair play points.

Fighting or throwing a punch should be a 3 game minimum suspension.
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PoniesDad45 wrote:Change the State Tourney back to one class but have 16 teams going in. One section for private schools and the winner of that section has to face a large city section school in round #1.

Varsity coaches have to be teachers at their respective high schools. This is a school activity, too many people have forgotten that. Too many ignorant, small minded people ruining too many kids hockey experiences.

Team average GPA should have some bearing in the standings, kind of like fair play points.

Fighting or throwing a punch should be a 3 game minimum suspension.
Just wondering, what coaches in the state tournament this year are teachers? How about other top publics (is Curt Giles teaching)? I know Lee Smith teaches 6th grade in EP but I'm unsure about everyone else. Who has info on this?
EP two out of three.
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Post by 2good4u »

HockeyMN1 wrote:
PoniesDad45 wrote:Change the State Tourney back to one class but have 16 teams going in. One section for private schools and the winner of that section has to face a large city section school in round #1.

Varsity coaches have to be teachers at their respective high schools. This is a school activity, too many people have forgotten that. Too many ignorant, small minded people ruining too many kids hockey experiences.

Team average GPA should have some bearing in the standings, kind of like fair play points.

Fighting or throwing a punch should be a 3 game minimum suspension.
Just wondering, what coaches in the state tournament this year are teachers? How about other top publics (is Curt Giles teaching)? I know Lee Smith teaches 6th grade in EP but I'm unsure about everyone else. Who has info on this?
Bruce Plante P.E. teacher
Mike Randolph Math teacher???? east guys correct me if im wrong, just heard it from somebody that he was a middle school math teacher
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Post by The51 »

paulsonj72 wrote:
tonkafan77 wrote:Why does Edina hop out of the Lake conference area for sections then? Why can't Tonka or Benilde just hop over to a different area after regular season?
Because Edina is assigned to that section by the MSHSL. They don'y just jump out of the lake for section play. In all seriousness there is NEVER going to be a method to satisfy everybody.
a NCAA basketball style tournament would be the best
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2good4u wrote:
HockeyMN1 wrote:
PoniesDad45 wrote:Change the State Tourney back to one class but have 16 teams going in. One section for private schools and the winner of that section has to face a large city section school in round #1.

Varsity coaches have to be teachers at their respective high schools. This is a school activity, too many people have forgotten that. Too many ignorant, small minded people ruining too many kids hockey experiences.

Team average GPA should have some bearing in the standings, kind of like fair play points.

Fighting or throwing a punch should be a 3 game minimum suspension.
Just wondering, what coaches in the state tournament this year are teachers? How about other top publics (is Curt Giles teaching)? I know Lee Smith teaches 6th grade in EP but I'm unsure about everyone else. Who has info on this?
Bruce Plante P.E. teacher
Mike Randolph Math teacher???? east guys correct me if im wrong, just heard it from somebody that he was a middle school math teacher
Randolph teaches 4th grade, unless he's moved to a different position recently.
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It's always been called the "State" tournament--not the "Metro" tournament. The metro schools (and their fans) who benefit from a metro existence, can't gripe when their tournament aspirations are ended by other metro teams.

G.P.A.'s are a meaningless criteria for hockey program evaluations. (Heck, they're nearly meaningless as educational criteria, and one school's GPA rationale 'taint got nothin' to do with another's.) Any crafty student can take an academic path of very little resistance. There are plenty of "A" students out there who are functionally illiterate.

Why deny a HS hockey program a fine coach just because he doesn't teach there? If you limit candidates to only those who do, or will, teach at the high school you put player development in the hands of a very small talent pool. Bruce Plante, Lee Smith, and Mike Randolph are fine coaches. Why potentially exclude these guys from coaching positions just because they're not in the same building as the hockey players?

Let's go back to the drawing board before we make any changes here.
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Post by Oldtimehockeyguy23 »

HockeyMN1 wrote:
PoniesDad45 wrote:Change the State Tourney back to one class but have 16 teams going in. One section for private schools and the winner of that section has to face a large city section school in round #1.

Varsity coaches have to be teachers at their respective high schools. This is a school activity, too many people have forgotten that. Too many ignorant, small minded people ruining too many kids hockey experiences.

Team average GPA should have some bearing in the standings, kind of like fair play points.

Fighting or throwing a punch should be a 3 game minimum suspension.
Just wondering, what coaches in the state tournament this year are teachers? How about other top publics (is Curt Giles teaching)? I know Lee Smith teaches 6th grade in EP but I'm unsure about everyone else. Who has info on this?
A ton of coaches are teachers.. because that's the only job that can really do it. unless a coach is retired like an EX-NHL guy or something.
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Post by Oldtimehockeyguy23 »

okay I HAVE A SOLUTION.


Do the thing exactly like NCAA hockey. 16 teams in the tourny. Teams are ranked and selected by a committee by the MSHSL. Teams that are not in the top 16 in the rankings have a chance to make the tourny by winning their section. Pretty sure this system works well in college hockey. you have a equal representation of every section, and have the top teams.. Have the first round not at the Xcel to get down to 8. then 8 team tourny at the Xcel like normal. Could also go to a frozen four format as well. But the bottom line is they should have 16 teams in the tourny


Also.... 8 Min OT's during regular season, but instead of ties.. shootouts and shootouts losses. still counts as a tie like in the NHL but exciting because of the 3-man shootout. WHO WOULDN'T LOVE THAT?

FSN should broadcast games again too.

students should get in free at every game.


Parents should only be allowed to go to 8 regular season games.


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The law changed back in the early 90's when a person needed to have a teaching LICENSE to be a head coach. Now they need to pass a fundamentals of coaching course that is a certain number of hours including treatment of injuries, etc. And I believe hockey was one of the sports that was behind this change. Not that they pushed it but because a good number of schools that had hockey programs, mainly smaller schools could not find people with teaching licenses that had the ability and want to coach hockey.
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Oldtimehockeyguy23 wrote:Parents should only be allowed to go to 8 regular season games.
Stupid.

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Post by Oldtimehockeyguy23 »

PuckU126 wrote:
Oldtimehockeyguy23 wrote:Parents should only be allowed to go to 8 regular season games.
Stupid.

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Yep, Because we all know how positive and encouraging parents can be to their Kids!!
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Oldtimehockeyguy23 wrote:
PuckU126 wrote:
Oldtimehockeyguy23 wrote:Parents should only be allowed to go to 8 regular season games.
Stupid.

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Yep, Because we all know how positive and encouraging parents can be to their Kids!!
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Oldtimehockeyguy23 wrote:okay I HAVE A SOLUTION.


Do the thing exactly like NCAA hockey. 16 teams in the tourny. Teams are ranked and selected by a committee by the MSHSL. Teams that are not in the top 16 in the rankings have a chance to make the tourny by winning their section. Pretty sure this system works well in college hockey. you have a equal representation of every section, and have the top teams.. Have the first round not at the Xcel to get down to 8. then 8 team tourny at the Xcel like normal. Could also go to a frozen four format as well. But the bottom line is they should have 16 teams in the tourny


Also.... 8 Min OT's during regular season, but instead of ties.. shootouts and shootouts losses. still counts as a tie like in the NHL but exciting because of the 3-man shootout. WHO WOULDN'T LOVE THAT?

FSN should broadcast games again too.

students should get in free at every game.


Parents should only be allowed to go to 8 regular season games.


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D [-X [-X =D> \:D/ 8)
I like 16 teams at State. We already have that. Only now we have two tournements. Let's have a 16 team tournement, only based on 16 sections. I would also be cool with 8 section champs and 8 at large ins....
I actually am likely in a minority, but do enjoy watching high school hockey more than the NHL or college. It seems like the purtiy of the game is at a much higher level in high school. So yes, televise more HS games.
I am not a fan of shootouts. Possibly entertaining, but, really??? I always thought it ridiculous that a game should be decided in such a controlled situation. I would be more in favor of no ties with unlimited OT's. Maybe even dropping players after a few to go 4 on 4 and 3 on 3... now that is entertaining hockey.
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Teak wrote:Cheerleaders in bikinis??

:lol:


How 'bout cheerleaders without bikinis ?
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SPUDNUT wrote:
Teak wrote:Cheerleaders in bikinis??

:lol:


How 'bout cheerleaders without bikinis ?
Who are over the legal age and are attractive.

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Post by Teak »

PuckU126 wrote:
SPUDNUT wrote:
Teak wrote:Cheerleaders in bikinis??

:lol:


How 'bout cheerleaders without bikinis ?
Who are over the legal age and are attractive.

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:shock: :? 8) :lol:

I like where this is going.....but, please don't kick us to the...the....CAFE!!
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defense wrote:
Oldtimehockeyguy23 wrote:okay I HAVE A SOLUTION.


Do the thing exactly like NCAA hockey. 16 teams in the tourny. Teams are ranked and selected by a committee by the MSHSL. Teams that are not in the top 16 in the rankings have a chance to make the tourny by winning their section. Pretty sure this system works well in college hockey. you have a equal representation of every section, and have the top teams.. Have the first round not at the Xcel to get down to 8. then 8 team tourny at the Xcel like normal. Could also go to a frozen four format as well. But the bottom line is they should have 16 teams in the tourny






Also.... 8 Min OT's during regular season, but instead of ties.. shootouts and shootouts losses. still counts as a tie like in the NHL but exciting because of the 3-man shootout. WHO WOULDN'T LOVE THAT?

FSN should broadcast games again too.

students should get in free at every game.


Parents should only be allowed to go to 8 regular season games.


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D [-X [-X =D> \:D/ 8)
I like 16 teams at State. We already have that. Only now we have two tournements. Let's have a 16 team tournement, only based on 16 sections. I would also be cool with 8 section champs and 8 at large ins....
I actually am likely in a minority, but do enjoy watching high school hockey more than the NHL or college. It seems like the purtiy of the game is at a much higher level in high school. So yes, televise more HS games.
I am not a fan of shootouts. Possibly entertaining, but, really??? I always thought it ridiculous that a game should be decided in such a controlled situation. I would be more in favor of no ties with unlimited OT's. Maybe even dropping players after a few to go 4 on 4 and 3 on 3... now that is entertaining hockey.
1 tourney 16 teams. 8 section winners in seeded 1-8. All section runner-ups host a 1 game play in with the 8 highest ranked teams that are left.

Makes all the section tourneys stay very important and gives a chance for the 1 State Tourney to have the best teams possible. A lot of great hockey is played in section tourneys and should not be done away with.

I will just keep posting this every chance I get.
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Post by HockeyMN1 »

I love the at-large bid idea. Unfortunately the MSHSL doesn't like to do anything different for hockey as the rest of their sports so they insist on the 8 sections by class and geography, eight team tournament.
EP two out of three.
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Post by youngblood08 »

I thought there was 16 teams playing at the State Tournament this year? Just remember that if you do 16 for the boys you would have to do the same for the girls.........
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paulsonj72 wrote:The law changed back in the early 90's when a person needed to have a teaching LICENSE to be a head coach. Now they need to pass a fundamentals of coaching course that is a certain number of hours including treatment of injuries, etc. And I believe hockey was one of the sports that was behind this change. Not that they pushed it but because a good number of schools that had hockey programs, mainly smaller schools could not find people with teaching licenses that had the ability and want to coach hockey.
Agreed - some smaller schools have trouble finding qualified coaches, much less qualified coaches who are teachers. As long as the coach has the proper credentials for coaching high school, so be it. But "dad" coaches should be held to a minimum, if at all allowed, at the high school level. Too many politics involved with this scenario. Most folks had enough of this at association level.
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Post by Oldtimehockeyguy23 »

youngblood08 wrote:I thought there was 16 teams playing at the State Tournament this year? Just remember that if you do 16 for the boys you would have to do the same for the girls.........
No there was only 8 Teams in the Varsity tournament. 8 in the JV tournament. 8)
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