Change in philosophy with the Machine??

[council member retired]

disciples

does the bernie have good coaches at his levels? Will they assist in my grandson loving the game?

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[HockeyDad41]

disciples

does the bernie have good coaches at his levels? Will they assist in my grandson loving the game?

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disciples? Have another Geritol cocktail grampa and go back to your shuffleboard.

[ThePuckStopsHere]

disciples

does the bernie have good coaches at his levels? Will they assist in my grandson loving the game?

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2000 ______________

1998 ______________

1997 _______________

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disciples? Have another Geritol cocktail grampa and go back to your shuffleboard.

HD41 - Your obsession with McMoney is really creepy in an orange kind of way.

How many pictures of the chosen one do you have on your bathroom wall?

[HockeyDad41]

disciples

does the bernie have good coaches at his levels? Will they assist in my grandson loving the game?

2001 _____________


2000 ______________

1998 ______________

1997 _______________

1996 _______________

1995 _______________

disciples? Have another Geritol cocktail grampa and go back to your shuffleboard.

HD41 - Your obsession with McMoney is really creepy in an orange kind of way.

How many pictures of the chosen one do you have on your bathroom wall?

I have to keep reminding myself that it's just that you are still bitter about not making the team. It's really alright. Not everyone can. Just be proud of your mediocrity. We understand that it's hard for you.

How many pictures of farm animals do you have on your bathroom wall?

[High Off The Glass]

That's fine, it doesn't matter anyway.(Quote)
Hockeydad,
Its seems that it does matter to you, quite a bit really. As you seem to be familiar with the program down there, can you speak to whether or not the commitment level has changed?

If you think it means a lot to me and think I seem to know about the commitment level, you should probably re-read the thread.

I know nothing

HD41-You finally wrote something that makes sense

[Puck Whisperer]

disciples? Have another Geritol cocktail grampa and go back to your shuffleboard.

HD41 - Your obsession with McMoney is really creepy in an orange kind of way.

How many pictures of the chosen one do you have on your bathroom wall?

I have to keep reminding myself that it's just that you are still bitter about not making the team. It's really alright. Not everyone can. Just be proud of your mediocrity. We understand that it's hard for you.

How many pictures of farm animals do you have on your bathroom wall?

HD41 - You can clearly see that this topic will melt ice. I've done the MM with my oldest (newbie) and it was not for us after two years - I took the chance that my son might suffer developing his game.

I hope you believe that some anti MM comments were from legit people that don't like the philosphy and not from parents whose kid got cut. It is what it is - if it works for you...cool! I just won't bash.

I would encourage you to update the thread in a couple years with your thoughts regarding your experience!

[HockeyDad41]

That's fine, it doesn't matter anyway.(Quote)
Hockeydad,
Its seems that it does matter to you, quite a bit really. As you seem to be familiar with the program down there, can you speak to whether or not the commitment level has changed?

If you think it means a lot to me and think I seem to know about the commitment level, you should probably re-read the thread.

I know nothing

HD41-You finally wrote something that makes sense

HOTG - I've been saying you know nothing all along! Glad you finally agree with me!

[HockeyDad41]

HD41 - Your obsession with McMoney is really creepy in an orange kind of way.

How many pictures of the chosen one do you have on your bathroom wall?

I have to keep reminding myself that it's just that you are still bitter about not making the team. It's really alright. Not everyone can. Just be proud of your mediocrity. We understand that it's hard for you.

How many pictures of farm animals do you have on your bathroom wall?

HD41 - You can clearly see that this topic will melt ice. I've done the MM with my oldest (newbie) and it was not for us after two years - I took the chance that my son might suffer developing his game.

I hope you believe that some anti MM comments were from legit people that don't like the philosphy and not from parents whose kid got cut. It is what it is - if it works for you...cool! I just won't bash.

I would encourage you to update the thread in a couple years with your thoughts regarding your experience!

I would really love to hear the pro's and con's of MM's summer program. The problem is with the children on this forum who rather than post positive feedback or constructive criticism, prefer to bash the owner of the organization. There are something like 20 teams that play out of there in the summer and the idiots on this board would have you think they are all somehow disfunctional and destroying the lives of the people involved in them.

I get it though. You can't say anything positive about Minnesota Made here. The idiots outnumber and shout louder than the sane people.

[High Off The Glass]

If you think it means a lot to me and think I seem to know about the commitment level, you should probably re-read the thread. HD41-You finally wrote something that makes sense

I've been saying you know nothing all along! Glad you finally agree with me!

It's funny how you defend a guy and a program you admit you know nothing about, but yet get so upset with us who have experience dealing with McMoney. I've had years of watching him verbally and emotionally beat down little kids, and when these kids grow up, mature, they move on and find programs and coaching they can actually use to grow their game. He runs good hockey camps, but he can't coach and grow player development. As the years go by, you to will witness his ego getting in the way of his coaching. My son has moved on (no he was not cut, we left on our own terms), and has immediately taken his game to a higher level. That's what I base my evaluation of his program on. I, like you, was a defender of his coaching and program early on, and I was warned by several families not to get involved. I thought I knew better, like you, but as my son grew older, Bernie's lack of coaching and playing experience became evident and we moved on. To put it in simple terms for you to understand, it's not a positive environment for young players to grow up in and it was my fault for putting my son in that environment when people told me not to. That is what I'm trying to communicate to you. Save your son the grief and you the money and move on like the rest of us have done.

[EnjoyTheShow]

I have to keep reminding myself that it's just that you are still bitter about not making the team. It's really alright. Not everyone can. Just be proud of your mediocrity. We understand that it's hard for you.

How many pictures of farm animals do you have on your bathroom wall?

HD41 - You can clearly see that this topic will melt ice. I've done the MM with my oldest (newbie) and it was not for us after two years - I took the chance that my son might suffer developing his game.

I hope you believe that some anti MM comments were from legit people that don't like the philosphy and not from parents whose kid got cut. It is what it is - if it works for you...cool! I just won't bash.

I would encourage you to update the thread in a couple years with your thoughts regarding your experience!

I would really love to hear the pro's and con's of MM's summer program. The problem is with the children on this forum who rather than post positive feedback or constructive criticism, prefer to bash the owner of the organization. There are something like 20 teams that play out of there in the summer and the idiots on this board would have you think they are all somehow disfunctional and destroying the lives of the people involved in them.

I get it though. You can't say anything positive about Minnesota Made here. The idiots outnumber and shout louder than the sane people.

HD41,
Its funny to me. I started this thread with a simple question. No positive or negatives about MM or Bernie. I must say after reading the commitment letter, my opinion did change. That said, are you serious. I don't see anyone on this board "shouting Louder" than You. You claim to know nothing, then on another thread are claiming everyone is banging the door down for final kids that were cut. My suggestion is to quit embarrassing yourself with contradictions and ignorance. Say what you want about MM. Positivity is great! You though seem to want to argue and endorse MM at every corner. If you don't know what your talking about, which you've stated is the case, just crawl into a corner and be happy that you are enjoying something that everyone else is completely missing out on. Be happy all of these "idiots" don't know how great mm is and your lil player will be better from the great development that everyone else is bashing. Matters of fact, just sit back and EnjoyTheShow!!

[High Off The Glass]

HD41 - You can clearly see that this topic will melt ice. I've done the MM with my oldest (newbie) and it was not for us after two years - I took the chance that my son might suffer developing his game.

I hope you believe that some anti MM comments were from legit people that don't like the philosphy and not from parents whose kid got cut. It is what it is - if it works for you...cool! I just won't bash.

I would encourage you to update the thread in a couple years with your thoughts regarding your experience!

I would really love to hear the pro's and con's of MM's summer program. The problem is with the children on this forum who rather than post positive feedback or constructive criticism, prefer to bash the owner of the organization. There are something like 20 teams that play out of there in the summer and the idiots on this board would have you think they are all somehow disfunctional and destroying the lives of the people involved in them.

I get it though. You can't say anything positive about Minnesota Made here. The idiots outnumber and shout louder than the sane people.

HD41,
Its funny to me. I started this thread with a simple question. No positive or negatives about MM or Bernie. I must say after reading the commitment letter, my opinion did change. That said, are you serious. I don't see anyone on this board "shouting Louder" than You. You claim to know nothing, then on another thread are claiming everyone is banging the door down for final kids that were cut. My suggestion is to quit embarrassing yourself with contradictions and ignorance. Say what you want about MM. Positivity is great! You though seem to want to argue and endorse MM at every corner. If you don't know what your talking about, which you've stated is the case, just crawl into a corner and be happy that you are enjoying something that everyone else is completely missing out on. Be happy all of these "idiots" don't know how great mm is and your lil player will be better from the great development that everyone else is bashing. Matters of fact, just sit back and EnjoyTheShow!!

Enjoy the Show...DITTO!

[HockeyDad41]

I've been saying you know nothing all along! Glad you finally agree with me!

It's funny how you defend a guy and a program you admit you know nothing about, but yet get so upset with us who have experience dealing with McMoney. I've had years of watching him verbally and emotionally beat down little kids, and when these kids grow up, mature, they move on and find programs and coaching they can actually use to grow their game. He runs good hockey camps, but he can't coach and grow player development. As the years go by, you to will witness his ego getting in the way of his coaching. My son has moved on (no he was not cut, we left on our own terms), and has immediately taken his game to a higher level. That's what I base my evaluation of his program on. I, like you, was a defender of his coaching and program early on, and I was warned by several families not to get involved. I thought I knew better, like you, but as my son grew older, Bernie's lack of coaching and playing experience became evident and we moved on. To put it in simple terms for you to understand, it's not a positive environment for young players to grow up in and it was my fault for putting my son in that environment when people told me not to. That is what I'm trying to communicate to you. Save your son the grief and you the money and move on like the rest of us have done.

I am not defending Bernie McBain. I don't even know the guy. I am saying that my son's experience with his program, The Choice League, has been very positive. He has been to one skills clinic and that was positive too. I have met some really nice people who only want their kids to have fun and get some training not available at their home associations. I have asked for feedback on his summer AAA program. Did I get feedback? No, I got a bunch of guys who claim to know something but won't give any specifics, but are perfectly happy to bash a guy who coaches one out of 20 teams. That is not helpful. My kid will probably never play for Bernie. But he may play on one of the teams in his program, so I try to find out what I can. Funny thing is I really do like orange kool aid. It's one of my favorites next to cherry and grape.

[HockeyDad41]

I would really love to hear the pro's and con's of MM's summer program. The problem is with the children on this forum who rather than post positive feedback or constructive criticism, prefer to bash the owner of the organization. There are something like 20 teams that play out of there in the summer and the idiots on this board would have you think they are all somehow disfunctional and destroying the lives of the people involved in them.

I get it though. You can't say anything positive about Minnesota Made here. The idiots outnumber and shout louder than the sane people.

HD41,
Its funny to me. I started this thread with a simple question. No positive or negatives about MM or Bernie. I must say after reading the commitment letter, my opinion did change. That said, are you serious. I don't see anyone on this board "shouting Louder" than You. You claim to know nothing, then on another thread are claiming everyone is banging the door down for final kids that were cut. My suggestion is to quit embarrassing yourself with contradictions and ignorance. Say what you want about MM. Positivity is great! You though seem to want to argue and endorse MM at every corner. If you don't know what your talking about, which you've stated is the case, just crawl into a corner and be happy that you are enjoying something that everyone else is completely missing out on. Be happy all of these "idiots" don't know how great mm is and your lil player will be better from the great development that everyone else is bashing. Matters of fact, just sit back and EnjoyTheShow!!

Enjoy the Show...DITTO!

Get a room.

[High Off The Glass]

It's funny how you defend a guy and a program you admit you know nothing about, but yet get so upset with us who have experience dealing with McMoney. I've had years of watching him verbally and emotionally beat down little kids, and when these kids grow up, mature, they move on and find programs and coaching they can actually use to grow their game. He runs good hockey camps, but he can't coach and grow player development. As the years go by, you to will witness his ego getting in the way of his coaching. My son has moved on (no he was not cut, we left on our own terms), and has immediately taken his game to a higher level. That's what I base my evaluation of his program on. I, like you, was a defender of his coaching and program early on, and I was warned by several families not to get involved. I thought I knew better, like you, but as my son grew older, Bernie's lack of coaching and playing experience became evident and we moved on. To put it in simple terms for you to understand, it's not a positive environment for young players to grow up in and it was my fault for putting my son in that environment when people told me not to. That is what I'm trying to communicate to you. Save your son the grief and you the money and move on like the rest of us have done.

I am not defending Bernie McBain. I don't even know the guy. I am saying that my son's experience with his program, The Choice League, has been very positive. He has been to one skills clinic and that was positive too. I have met some really nice people who only want their kids to have fun and get some training not available at their home associations. I have asked for feedback on his summer AAA program. Did I get feedback? No, I got a bunch of guys who claim to know something but won't give any specifics,

but are perfectly happy to bash a guy who coaches one out of 20 teams.

That is not helpful. My kid will probably never play for Bernie. But he may play on one of the teams in his program, so I try to find out what I can. Funny thing is I really do like orange kool aid. It's one of my favorites next to cherry and grape.

Last year he coached 3 teams 99,97,96. Two out of the three folded at years end...do I have to say more

[High Off The Glass]

HD41,
Its funny to me. I started this thread with a simple question. No positive or negatives about MM or Bernie. I must say after reading the commitment letter, my opinion did change. That said, are you serious. I don't see anyone on this board "shouting Louder" than You. You claim to know nothing, then on another thread are claiming everyone is banging the door down for final kids that were cut. My suggestion is to quit embarrassing yourself with contradictions and ignorance. Say what you want about MM. Positivity is great! You though seem to want to argue and endorse MM at every corner. If you don't know what your talking about, which you've stated is the case, just crawl into a corner and be happy that you are enjoying something that everyone else is completely missing out on. Be happy all of these "idiots" don't know how great mm is and your lil player will be better from the great development that everyone else is bashing. Matters of fact, just sit back and EnjoyTheShow!!

Enjoy the Show...DITTO!

Get a room.

Hey, I did hear she was pretty cute!

[HockeyDad41]

I am not defending Bernie McBain. I don't even know the guy. I am saying that my son's experience with his program, The Choice League, has been very positive. He has been to one skills clinic and that was positive too. I have met some really nice people who only want their kids to have fun and get some training not available at their home associations. I have asked for feedback on his summer AAA program. Did I get feedback? No, I got a bunch of guys who claim to know something but won't give any specifics, That is not helpful. My kid will probably never play for Bernie. But he may play on one of the teams in his program, so I try to find out what I can. Funny thing is I really do like orange kool aid. It's one of my favorites next to cherry and grape.

Last year he coached 3 teams 99,97,96. Two out of the three folded at years end...do I have to say more

What about the other 18? Did they fold too? Did the teams fold before or after your kid got cut? That's the only reason I can think of that you are so bitter, you are still sore about junior not making the grade.

[scoreandscoreoften]

It's funny how you defend a guy and a program you admit you know nothing about, but yet get so upset with us who have experience dealing with McMoney. I've had years of watching him verbally and emotionally beat down little kids, and when these kids grow up, mature, they move on and find programs and coaching they can actually use to grow their game. He runs good hockey camps, but he can't coach and grow player development. As the years go by, you to will witness his ego getting in the way of his coaching. My son has moved on (no he was not cut, we left on our own terms), and has immediately taken his game to a higher level. That's what I base my evaluation of his program on. I, like you, was a defender of his coaching and program early on, and I was warned by several families not to get involved. I thought I knew better, like you, but as my son grew older, Bernie's lack of coaching and playing experience became evident and we moved on. To put it in simple terms for you to understand, it's not a positive environment for young players to grow up in and it was my fault for putting my son in that environment when people told me not to. That is what I'm trying to communicate to you. Save your son the grief and you the money and move on like the rest of us have done.

I am not defending Bernie McBain. I don't even know the guy. I am saying that my son's experience with his program, The Choice League, has been very positive. He has been to one skills clinic and that was positive too. I have met some really nice people who only want their kids to have fun and get some training not available at their home associations. I have asked for feedback on his summer AAA program. Did I get feedback? No, I got a bunch of guys who claim to know something but won't give any specifics, but are perfectly happy to bash a guy who coaches one out of 20 teams. That is not helpful. My kid will probably never play for Bernie. But he may play on one of the teams in his program, so I try to find out what I can. Funny thing is I really do like orange kool aid. It's one of my favorites next to cherry and grape.

I too have been involved at mm. Both in the choice league and the summer. My son received much better training in the choice league than he would of in his assoc. More ice time, more skating etc. But we paid more also. But this year the squirt choice league of 98 and 99 age squirts is watered down with younger 00's and 01's, who while are top players for their age aren't top squirts. This because of kids playing for the Fire, and many seeing the writing on the wall, and going back to their assoc. And the addition of about 50 more kids to the program. Does it still provide good development? Yes, because the many hours of practice time.

HD41 You say your kid probably won't play for Bernie, and you want feedback on the other 20 teams. Well, not everything is peaches and cream on those teams either. Coaches replaced in the middle of the season as well as the end of the year. Big turnover of players. Example: The 98 Deuce had 4 returning players last year from the year before. Some were not asked back, but some who were asked back, left. Replaced by Snipers and Grinders, and new players to the program to replace the Snipers and Grinders. Much easier to replace Snipers and Grinders than Machine and Deuce players. Big turnovers in the 99 Deuce and Snipers after last year. Many choosing to go to Velocity. Do people leave when they're happy or satisfied? I think not. Are these players leaving a problem for mm? No, there's always someone to take their place from within the program. So the program goes on. Some folks and kids are happy, some are not. And like it's been said on here many times, it's not for everyone. Try it and see for yourself.

[HockeyDad41]

I am not defending Bernie McBain. I don't even know the guy. I am saying that my son's experience with his program, The Choice League, has been very positive. He has been to one skills clinic and that was positive too. I have met some really nice people who only want their kids to have fun and get some training not available at their home associations. I have asked for feedback on his summer AAA program. Did I get feedback? No, I got a bunch of guys who claim to know something but won't give any specifics, but are perfectly happy to bash a guy who coaches one out of 20 teams. That is not helpful. My kid will probably never play for Bernie. But he may play on one of the teams in his program, so I try to find out what I can. Funny thing is I really do like orange kool aid. It's one of my favorites next to cherry and grape.

I too have been involved at mm. Both in the choice league and the summer. My son received much better training in the choice league than he would of in his assoc. More ice time, more skating etc. But we paid more also. But this year the squirt choice league of 98 and 99 age squirts is watered down with younger 00's and 01's, who while are top players for their age aren't top squirts. This because of kids playing for the Fire, and many seeing the writing on the wall, and going back to their assoc. And the addition of about 50 more kids to the program. Does it still provide good development? Yes, because the many hours of practice time.

HD41 You say your kid probably won't play for Bernie, and you want feedback on the other 20 teams. Well, not everything is peaches and cream on those teams either. Coaches replaced in the middle of the season as well as the end of the year. Big turnover of players. Example: The 98 Deuce had 4 returning players last year from the year before. Some were not asked back, but some who were asked back, left. Replaced by Snipers and Grinders, and new players to the program to replace the Snipers and Grinders. Much easier to replace Snipers and Grinders than Machine and Deuce players. Big turnovers in the 99 Deuce and Snipers after last year. Many choosing to go to Velocity. Do people leave when they're happy or satisfied? I think not. Are these players leaving a problem for mm? No, there's always someone to take their place from within the program. So the program goes on. Some folks and kids are happy, some are not. And like it's been said on here many times, it's not for everyone. Try it and see for yourself.

Thank you. I appreciate the information.

[Puck Whisperer]

I too have been involved at mm. Both in the choice league and the summer. My son received much better training in the choice league than he would of in his assoc. More ice time, more skating etc. But we paid more also. But this year the squirt choice league of 98 and 99 age squirts is watered down with younger 00's and 01's, who while are top players for their age aren't top squirts. This because of kids playing for the Fire, and many seeing the writing on the wall, and going back to their assoc. And the addition of about 50 more kids to the program. Does it still provide good development? Yes, because the many hours of practice time.

HD41 You say your kid probably won't play for Bernie, and you want feedback on the other 20 teams. Well, not everything is peaches and cream on those teams either. Coaches replaced in the middle of the season as well as the end of the year. Big turnover of players. Example: The 98 Deuce had 4 returning players last year from the year before. Some were not asked back, but some who were asked back, left. Replaced by Snipers and Grinders, and new players to the program to replace the Snipers and Grinders. Much easier to replace Snipers and Grinders than Machine and Deuce players. Big turnovers in the 99 Deuce and Snipers after last year. Many choosing to go to Velocity. Do people leave when they're happy or satisfied? I think not. Are these players leaving a problem for mm? No, there's always someone to take their place from within the program. So the program goes on. Some folks and kids are happy, some are not. And like it's been said on here many times, it's not for everyone. Try it and see for yourself.

Thank you. I appreciate the information.

Sounds like we can close another Bernie sucks/Bernie's Great thread. Peace!

[ThePuckStopsHere]

disciples? Have another Geritol cocktail grampa and go back to your shuffleboard.

HD41 - Your obsession with McMoney is really creepy in an orange kind of way.

How many pictures of the chosen one do you have on your bathroom wall?

I have to keep reminding myself that it's just that you are still bitter about not making the team. It's really alright. Not everyone can. Just be proud of your mediocrity. We understand that it's hard for you.

How many pictures of farm animals do you have on your bathroom wall?

HD41 - Just one picture of your wife on my bathroom wall, thanks for asking though

[HockeyDad41]

HD41 - Your obsession with McMoney is really creepy in an orange kind of way.

How many pictures of the chosen one do you have on your bathroom wall?

I have to keep reminding myself that it's just that you are still bitter about not making the team. It's really alright. Not everyone can. Just be proud of your mediocrity. We understand that it's hard for you.

How many pictures of farm animals do you have on your bathroom wall?

HD41 - Just one picture of your wife on my bathroom wall, thanks for asking though

Oddly enough, I'm not surprised. She's a supermodel. I'll let her know you're a fan. OK I'm done with this now. Thanks for the laughs!

[High Off The Glass]

HD41 - Your obsession with McMoney is really creepy in an orange kind of way.

How many pictures of the chosen one do you have on your bathroom wall?

I have to keep reminding myself that it's just that you are still bitter about not making the team. It's really alright. Not everyone can. Just be proud of your mediocrity. We understand that it's hard for you.

How many pictures of farm animals do you have on your bathroom wall?

HD41 - Just one picture of your wife on my bathroom wall, thanks for asking though

you're are the man!

[dogeatdog1]

Last year he coached 3 teams 99,97,96. Two out of the three folded at years end...do I have to say more

What about the other 18? Did they fold too? Did the teams fold before or after your kid got cut? That's the only reason I can think of that you are so bitter, you are still sore about junior not making the grade.

The other 18 supported the three that he coached (financially) and their record was about 3 and 20 against any type of competition.

[offside14]

Dog pretty broad statement to pull 15 other teams on the mat. I know of at least a few that didn't have any losses in the state, care to rephrase or should we continue to generalize in an effort to drag a program through the mud who apparently at one time or another must have ate your dog.

[Doglover]

Lordy, lordy - first the Vikings lose and then I log on and see HD41 is back in fine form and even more in the dark than before. Time to call it a day - tomorrow has to be better!!