MnPride2 wrote:GR3343 wrote:MnPride2 wrote:"90-91 Ice Dogs beat Miners in final"
Would have been us in finals against the Dogs had the Miners not had great hometown help from their ref buddy!! Easily 3-1 on the calls against us,quite possibly the worst case of Homer ref i`ve ever seen,but then again it would have been pretty sad if the hometown team lost to a bunch of 92`s...we outplayed em,but couldn`t outplay the ref...
If the game in question was Miners vs All World, which I assume it is because this was the only game the Miners didn't receive more penalties than the other team, then there should be no complaining. I saw many cheap shots behind the play, then players non stop complaining to the refs. The players should have caught on to the fact that the ref was in zero tolerance mode and was handing out unsportsmanlike calls at the drop of a hat. The All World coach should probably have caught on to this as well as he received several US calls until his ejection. After 1 maybe 2 of these types of calls, maybe just shut the pie hole. Of the 3 or 4 goals the Miners scored, only 1 was a PP so penalties didn't play a major role. Oh, and hats off to the two players that touched off the little mele at the end of the game. The player that ran the Miners goalie went in untouched and plowed the unsuspecting tender, took a couple of whacks for his cheap act, then was defended by an Edina kid who flattened a player that was standing near the tussle from behind. Classy bunch. One more thing, did the refs steal the game the next morning as well?
Just an FYI, the Miners oldest player was a '91. The bulk of the team(all 9 of them)were '92s, and most were not from Duluth.
The refs knew your boys,started calling penalties right away...one way...by one ref, the other ref was too incompliant to make a call,example:player comes to the face-off too late...he gets the boot,next player please...the older ref had to tell him that and thats what got our coach going,of course mister "this is my rink" didn`t feel he had to explain why...our coach wanted to know why,if you don`t know how to ref you shouldn`t be there...period, which is what our coach was arguing about. "cheap-shots" behind the play...upp just our team,your angels would never do that(sounds like Icehawks up in Duluth last year)...oh no not our kids
Penalties do play roles,if your skating short-handed most of the game while the other team isn`t,it makes a big difference,sure glad your kids kept their mouths shut...ya right! The player that ran the goalie has issues upstairs...lots,and i will agree it was totally uncalled for. As far as our morning game...same homer ref as the night before,only difference...both teams were from out of town,equal penalties...strange,different outcome though.
Sounds to me like you nor your coach know how to ref or coach for that matter. Don't have enough information on your complaint other than the vague discriptions that you have laid out. I can only surmize from your previous post that you are of the belief that you had a tainted ref, if true that is unfortunate. But, if you didn't have a tainted ref and your assumptions are wrong then you need a good education in reffing and coaching.
I can only pull from the one kind of vague example of a player getting booted for coming to the face off late. This is real simple, come to the face off late and you are automatically booted, not a homer call at all. GAME MANAGEMENT. Real simple, set the tone for the behavior for face offs in the game so when you get to critical face offs at the end of the game there are no percieved advantages taken by any team. Another point on GAME MANAGEMENT, was it running time. Savy coaches (not neccessary good coaches) will intentially delay putting their playere on the ice to eat up valuable clock time. Once again, GAME MANAGEMENT.
With regard to my lack of coaching ability comment, I would say this. With something as simple and basic as kicking a player out of the face off for coming late an educated and talented coach needs no explaination. Pulling the ref over to discuss something as simple as putting on skates is ridiculous. If you are going to take the time to pull a ref over to discuss something you had better know the game first. The important thing about knowing the game is just that. Know what the game is about, how it is played, how it is managed, not how you want to see it handled. Discuss rule interpetation, limit conversation with the refs, simple. It sounds to me like there was nothing to interpet. Player came to the face off late, what is there to discuss? I will take a stab at this one. The ref that booted the kid was the ref that was not conducting the face off, and most likely the accused tainted ref. It also sounds like he was the ref that was making the only calls. Come on tell me I am right. If I am correct he only validated for all of those that were convinced he was throwing the game. It sounds to me from the other poster that this was a physical tournement, with plenty of crap going on from all sides. However, it sounds like you have a loud coach that may be directly influencing his players behavior. Too much yelling and complaining to players and refs, filters down to the players. Players that whine and complain to refs are most likely poorly disaplined players which is a direct reflection of the coach. I would encourage you to take a good look at your team players, coaches and parents collectively. You may have a good dose of reality by going back and watching game footage from a different perspective. Forget about wathcing the immediate play and pay close attention to the audio as well as the after play behavior....When ever you get a chance, watch the coaches behavior, if his arms and hands are flopping in the air the same way a Crappie flops on the bottom of a fishing boat you can bet your bottom dollar is verbally chirping as well.
Blame the ref, it is easy and helps people feel reassured that Johhny is the best and one day will play for the Stanely Cup. He will hoist it only if he is playing in his own rink with his own refs...Ooops..I didn't say that did I? I was just about to wrap up, and suddenly another thought came in my mind. What if your team isn't really that good? What if your team just thinks that they are that good because they have home town refs throwing the game for them. You may be located so far away from civilazation you don't have cell phone coverage...No cell phone, no internet access. No internet access, no E-bay access...
One final though, enjoy the game..
