RR's chances if they played in Minnesota

ndhockeyrep · Post by **ndhockeyrep** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:15 pm

and for the person who said i would go on a north dakota board and post about sleepy eye...go right a head

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egf hockey1 · Post by **egf hockey1** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:55 pm

Red River is a very solid team. The problem is is if they were a Minnesota team they would be in AA because the school is too big. That would mean that they would have to go through Roseau and Moorhead to go to state. The wins against Warroad and EGF(with 4 regulars sitting out) mean very little. They could be the 2nd best team in the state, but they are not better than Roseau. I have seen both Roseau and Red River play and Roseau has more talent. But like has been mentioned before, they could on any given day upset them.

ndhockeyrep · Post by **ndhockeyrep** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:08 pm

egf hockey1 wrote:Red River is a very solid team. The problem is is if they were a Minnesota team they would be in AA because the school is too big. That would mean that they would have to go through Roseau and Moorhead to go to state. The wins against Warroad and EGF(with 4 regulars sitting out) mean very little. They could be the 2nd best team in the state, but they are not better than Roseau. I have seen both Roseau and Red River play and Roseau has more talent. But like has been mentioned before, they could on any given day upset them.

ur jsut mad cuz RR dominated EGF. btw RR has about 900 kids in its school. What are the guidelines for school sizes?

Undercover Hockey Lover · Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:57 pm

ndhockeyrep wrote:ur jsut mad cuz RR dominated EGF. btw RR has about 900 kids in its school. What are the guidelines for school sizes?

Trust me your team will lose all credibility here if you go for the Single A angle.

Look at the post by the guy from egf...what does he give for RR shellacking them... we were missing players which is.....an excuse

By the way Moorhead had more talent last year and where did it get them. Talent may get you a cup of coffee but not much else. What's the saying...hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard.

Fargo · Post by **Fargo** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:25 pm

Undercover Hockey Lover wrote:
Grizzly12 wrote:I dont think they will beat Roseau. It should be a good game but i will take the number 1 minnesota team over the number 1 ND team any day of the week.
And that's the problem...

Is that just this year or every year as the number #1 ND team HAS beaten the #1 MN team in the past...MAYBE Ram Hockey can help me out but wasn't one of the few losses the 1990 State Title team had was to RR who won the ND title that same year. RR probably has a better chance than anyone on Roseau's regular season schedule to knock off the Rams this season. RR as well as Central has had their share of victories over the Section 8 Champions throughout the years.

That is true Roseau did lose one game to RR in 1990 when they won the championship. Their other loss that year was to Grand Rapids. They turned the tables in the state title game and took it to them.

Red River is not a team that is a calk walk. They have a down year now and then but nearly every year they are very very tough.

One of Roseau's years they were down at the in the 80's state tourney they had lost to Red River 9-3, if I remember right.

HockeyHigh · Post by **HockeyHigh** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:57 pm

The top 3 teams in ND could likely compete in AA, especially Red River. However, the rest of ND is pretty much down this year, making RR's schedule in their regular season games pretty much a cakewalk until they face the other top teams and MN competition once in a blue moon. Do I think RR will beat Roseau this year? Maybe. This is RR's year to prove it, as they have almost every player back from last year, but so does Roseau. Had RR been in MN this year, they would likely have been in the top 5 or even top 3 in Minnesota. This is obviously a Minnesota forum and people aren't always level-headed, but year in and year out, ND does field good teams from the tiny enrollment they have compared to MN, and often a ND team will be able to compete with the top 5-10 teams in MN, and beat them.
Beat bias with bias, amirite?

HockeyHigh · Post by **HockeyHigh** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:57 pm

The top 3 teams in ND could likely compete in AA, especially Red River. However, the rest of ND is pretty much down this year, making RR's schedule in their regular season games pretty much a cakewalk until they face the other top teams and MN competition once in a blue moon. Do I think RR will beat Roseau this year? Maybe. This is RR's year to prove it, as they have almost every player back from last year, but so does Roseau. Had RR been in MN this year, they would likely have been in the top 5 or even top 3 in Minnesota. This is obviously a Minnesota forum and people aren't always level-headed, but year in and year out, ND does field good teams from the tiny enrollment they have compared to MN, and often a ND team will be able to compete with the top 5-10 teams in MN, and beat them.
Beat bias with bias, amirite?

HockeyHigh · Post by **HockeyHigh** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:58 pm

The top 3 teams in ND could likely compete in AA, especially Red River. However, the rest of ND is pretty much down this year, making RR's schedule in their regular season games pretty much a cakewalk until they face the other top teams and MN competition once in a blue moon. Do I think RR will beat Roseau this year? Maybe. This is RR's year to prove it, as they have almost every player back from last year, but so does Roseau. Had RR been in MN this year, they would likely have been in the top 5 or even top 3 in Minnesota. This is obviously a Minnesota forum and people aren't always level-headed, but year in and year out, ND does field good teams from the tiny enrollment they have compared to MN, and often a ND team will be able to compete with the top 5-10 teams in MN, and beat them.
Beat bias with bias, amirite?

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:13 pm

I can't verify a 9-3 RR pounding of the Rams in the 80's but in 1984 the Section 8 Champion Rams did lose 5-2 to RR and for good measure GF Central also beat them that year 3-2. The 2000 Section 8AA Rams tied RR 4-4.

SiouxRecruit · Post by **SiouxRecruit** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:09 pm

Undercover Hockey Lover wrote:It was a SCRIMMAGE...a practice game that counts for NOTHING...nuff said. The point I was trying to make was the Rams coach was impressed. SiouxYAYA ease up....your starting to sound like a PR fan instead of a RR fan.

hahahaha

SiouxYAYA · Post by **SiouxYAYA** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:21 pm

Predictions for next weekends tournament. I got the Riders beating Roseau 4-2 in the ship with an empty netter.

zinovy08 · Post by **zinovy08** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:41 pm

Red River year in and year out could compete with the top Minnesota programs. The can and have beat teams the quality of Roseau, Moorhead, Warroad, and on and on.

AbridgedMind · Post by **AbridgedMind** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:05 pm

I remember that 1990 game. After Roseau and RR won their respective championships the RR kids got shirts made up that said ND and MN champs. Went to that game. It was pretty much played on slush...passes behind players for both teams all night long...slowed down the MUCH faster and more skilled Roseau team, which would won 8 or 9 times out of ten against RR that year, just not that night.

That said, the ND teams would surprise Minnesotans many years. Fargo South did so last year (that was just last year, right?). The top team in ND would be competitive at the AA level in MN each year, but the point about the larger number of teams in MN is valid. There is much more depth of talent and winning it all is MUCH more difficult than in ND. In just about any AA section in MN the ND team would have to get through at least 2 teams (in some sections as many as 5 teams) that are better than anyone they'd face at the state tournament in ND, then three more at the AA tournament. There are many years in which the ND champ would have been highly unlikely to make it to the section championship or out of any AA section in MN (1AA probably being the exception). It's not easy to string together 5-6 consecutive wins agains that kind of talent.

AbridgedMind · Post by **AbridgedMind** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:09 pm

I would not be surpised to see a one or two goal margin in either game Roseau and RR will (potentially) play this year.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:19 pm

8A's Warroad and EGF couldn't take down RR but maybe Park Rapids can

What do you think about them apples

croxhock · Post by **croxhock** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:37 pm

Year in and Year out, RR comes out with a great hockey team, they're hard to beat, but as far as the best in MN, no chance!!!

carpenterguy · Post by **carpenterguy** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:51 pm

A North Dakota team would NEVER win a Minnesota State title. Sure they have a few good teams now and then, but it says it all when they have to come to a Minnesota board and talk about their teams.

Fargo · Post by **Fargo** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:08 pm

Irishmans Shanty wrote:I can't verify a 9-3 RR pounding of the Rams in the 80's but in 1984 the Section 8 Champion Rams did lose 5-2 to RR and for good measure GF Central also beat them that year 3-2. The 2000 Section 8AA Rams tied RR 4-4.

I think it was before '84. don't have a Rambler to verify... Maybe my memory is off abit but think it was in the early 80's.

SiouxYAYA · Post by **SiouxYAYA** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:55 pm

carpenterguy wrote:A North Dakota team would NEVER win a Minnesota State title. Sure they have a few good teams now and then, but it says it all when they have to come to a Minnesota board and talk about their teams.

I don't know about never RR would definitely have a chance this year at a AA title.

Fargo · Post by **Fargo** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:00 pm

SiouxYAYA wrote:
carpenterguy wrote:A North Dakota team would NEVER win a Minnesota State title. Sure they have a few good teams now and then, but it says it all when they have to come to a Minnesota board and talk about their teams.
I don't know about never RR would definitely have a chance this year at a AA title.

I also have a chance to win powerball, but have not .....yet

Evcat99 · Post by **Evcat99** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:17 pm

I've lived in ND for 10 years now and have watched a few North Dakota State Hockey Tournaments on the tube. The quality of hockey is far inferior to that of either the A or AA Minnesota State Hockey Tourney. Duluth Marshall, Hermantown, STA, Roseau, Rapids, Hill, etc.. Would have absolutely crushed RR, G-PR, Central or South from last year when all the chips are on the table in a State Tourney setting. I'm not saying that this years RR team can't compete with the likes of Roseau, but I'll have to see it to believe it.

Lucia4President · Post by **Lucia4President** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:49 pm

I'd love to see Edina dance all over your "champs"

newsguy35 · Post by **newsguy35** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:17 pm

SiouxYAYA wrote:
carpenterguy wrote:A North Dakota team would NEVER win a Minnesota State title. Sure they have a few good teams now and then, but it says it all when they have to come to a Minnesota board and talk about their teams.
I don't know about never RR would definitely have a chance this year at a AA title.

RR would not have a chance as Edina would swallow them whole. This could be just one guys opinion but if they are that good then find a way to play our state champs year in and year out.

On another note, I dont think RR or any ND team could walk out of a AA section (other than 1AA as noted in a previous post) and on top of that, compete against 3 more teams of that calibre. I would like to see RR take a travel weekend throughout MN and play the top teams all in one weekend. It would almost be a simulation of our state tourney but you still wouldnt have the top lines. I bet they would go 1-2, that is without the top lines of MN top teams.

SiouxYAYA · Post by **SiouxYAYA** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:43 am

newsguy35 wrote:
SiouxYAYA wrote:
carpenterguy wrote:A North Dakota team would NEVER win a Minnesota State title. Sure they have a few good teams now and then, but it says it all when they have to come to a Minnesota board and talk about their teams.
I don't know about never RR would definitely have a chance this year at a AA title.
RR would not have a chance as Edina would swallow them whole. This could be just one guys opinion but if they are that good then find a way to play our state champs year in and year out.

On another note, I dont think RR or any ND team could walk out of a AA section (other than 1AA as noted in a previous post) and on top of that, compete against 3 more teams of that calibre. I would like to see RR take a travel weekend throughout MN and play the top teams all in one weekend. It would almost be a simulation of our state tourney but you still wouldnt have the top lines. I bet they would go 1-2, that is without the top lines of MN top teams.

We will see this weekend RR takes on Bloomington Jefferson who is ranked high in class AA, and then they will play Roseau. What will your guy's excuse be when RR beats both of these teams. You people have never seen them play so don't talk if you don't know.

rams1989 · Post by **rams1989** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:48 am

SiouxYAYA wrote:
newsguy35 wrote:
SiouxYAYA wrote: I don't know about never RR would definitely have a chance this year at a AA title.
RR would not have a chance as Edina would swallow them whole. This could be just one guys opinion but if they are that good then find a way to play our state champs year in and year out.

On another note, I dont think RR or any ND team could walk out of a AA section (other than 1AA as noted in a previous post) and on top of that, compete against 3 more teams of that calibre. I would like to see RR take a travel weekend throughout MN and play the top teams all in one weekend. It would almost be a simulation of our state tourney but you still wouldnt have the top lines. I bet they would go 1-2, that is without the top lines of MN top teams.
We will see this weekend RR takes on Bloomington Jefferson who is ranked high in class AA, and then they will play Roseau. What will your guy's excuse be when RR beats both of these teams. You people have never seen them play so don't talk if you don't know.

You're right about ONE thing. Red River plays Bloomington Jefferson on Friday.

You started this thread. You don't have to agree with anyone else's opinion, but don't get mad when people don't agree with you.....you asked for it when you started the thread.