I have to believe that he's going to find it very difficult to find a team willing to give him 5 years. Also, if it's true the Twins are willing to give him 3 years at $15m/season, I'd have to think if they can work out details of a 4th option year, they should be able to get that done. Torii has to know that he's not going to get a 5 year contract - I don't know who his agent is, but Torii himself is no dummy.packerboy wrote: I am troubled by what I read in the paper that Hunter is looking for 70 mil over 5 yrs. I dont think he will get that, will he? At age 32?
Apparently the Twins have offered 45 million for 3 yrs. There is an obvious middle ground there. Hunter sign.
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What a boofin shameGovs93 wrote:I have to believe that he's going to find it very difficult to find a team willing to give him 5 years. Also, if it's true the Twins are willing to give him 3 years at $15m/season, I'd have to think if they can work out details of a 4th option year, they should be able to get that done. Torii has to know that he's not going to get a 5 year contract - I don't know who his agent is, but Torii himself is no dummy.packerboy wrote: I am troubled by what I read in the paper that Hunter is looking for 70 mil over 5 yrs. I dont think he will get that, will he? At age 32?
Apparently the Twins have offered 45 million for 3 yrs. There is an obvious middle ground there. Hunter sign.
as if 45 mil over three years can't carry you the rest of your life....good gawd. 
Incredible.
On Aug 26 the Twins had just swept the Orioles and were 5.5 behind CLE with the opportunity to play CLE 3 times KC 4 and then CLE 3 again in the next ten games.
It would have been very possible for them to win 7 of those games and pick up a couple and be 3 back or so after today.
What the Boof happened?
On Aug 26 the Twins had just swept the Orioles and were 5.5 behind CLE with the opportunity to play CLE 3 times KC 4 and then CLE 3 again in the next ten games.
It would have been very possible for them to win 7 of those games and pick up a couple and be 3 back or so after today.
What the Boof happened?
This thread was started by IS with a rhyme
But like the song says "Its Closing Time."
There will be no playoffs, oh no not this year
The tear never happened, we are left with a tear
Mauer was injured, The Piranas never hit
Santana needed to shut up and pitch
Hunter was good, hope it wont be his last
Watching him play has been really a blast
Nope, no postseason but hey what the Boof
Morneau's second half was really a goof
TR will have to work hard during this coming offseason
He needs to sign players to give us a reason
To hope for better things to come next year
But there really is no reason to fear
Because even though the Twins are on the rocks
Its better than being a fan of the White Sox
But like the song says "Its Closing Time."
There will be no playoffs, oh no not this year
The tear never happened, we are left with a tear
Mauer was injured, The Piranas never hit
Santana needed to shut up and pitch
Hunter was good, hope it wont be his last
Watching him play has been really a blast
Nope, no postseason but hey what the Boof
Morneau's second half was really a goof
TR will have to work hard during this coming offseason
He needs to sign players to give us a reason
To hope for better things to come next year
But there really is no reason to fear
Because even though the Twins are on the rocks
Its better than being a fan of the White Sox
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"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way"
The opening paragraph of (IMO)the greatest book written, (not compiled PB) sums up the Twins season. Hope, then a kick in the groin.
It will be an interesting winter...
The opening paragraph of (IMO)the greatest book written, (not compiled PB) sums up the Twins season. Hope, then a kick in the groin.
It will be an interesting winter...
The only soft spot I see is the one between my legs
I just watched 2 brutal games in Chicago, some thoughts....
Why not put Mauer at first? Redman is a solid catcher, Heintz and Morales can back him up every third day. Mauer isn't healthy enough, Morneau has the defensive range of a fire plug - Friday a ball was hit literally 5 feet to his right and he didn't move, Punto nearly grabbed it directly behind him. I'm not a Bartlett fan but there isn't much question that he'd have half the errors with a decent defensive first baseman. Let Morneau DH and play first when Mauer takes his yearly trip to the DL.
The bullpen looks shot, way too many games they had to come in in the 5th or 6th inning to bail out the starters. Why let Boof et. al. off the hook that early? If they stink leave them out there and eat up innings that way, these guys are too fragile. Pinella left Zambrano out there last week to take a beating from the Dodgers - and Cubs fans, until he hit 100 pitches.
Buscher looks like he can play 3rd, why in the world is Casilla on the bench while Punto is playing? The only reason I can figure is so Punto doesn't become the first player in 17 years to hit below .200. The guy hit .127 in August, .127!!!
The Chicago papers made it sound as if both the White Sox and Cubs will make a run at Hunter this off season, calling the Twins cheap for not signing the best CF in the game to a 5 year 75 million contract. We may think it's too much, but given what other guys are making it's probably more than fair.
Why not put Mauer at first? Redman is a solid catcher, Heintz and Morales can back him up every third day. Mauer isn't healthy enough, Morneau has the defensive range of a fire plug - Friday a ball was hit literally 5 feet to his right and he didn't move, Punto nearly grabbed it directly behind him. I'm not a Bartlett fan but there isn't much question that he'd have half the errors with a decent defensive first baseman. Let Morneau DH and play first when Mauer takes his yearly trip to the DL.
The bullpen looks shot, way too many games they had to come in in the 5th or 6th inning to bail out the starters. Why let Boof et. al. off the hook that early? If they stink leave them out there and eat up innings that way, these guys are too fragile. Pinella left Zambrano out there last week to take a beating from the Dodgers - and Cubs fans, until he hit 100 pitches.
Buscher looks like he can play 3rd, why in the world is Casilla on the bench while Punto is playing? The only reason I can figure is so Punto doesn't become the first player in 17 years to hit below .200. The guy hit .127 in August, .127!!!
The Chicago papers made it sound as if both the White Sox and Cubs will make a run at Hunter this off season, calling the Twins cheap for not signing the best CF in the game to a 5 year 75 million contract. We may think it's too much, but given what other guys are making it's probably more than fair.
goldy, I dont think enough people realize what a good catcher Mauer is. I watched him play some in HS and I thought ,at that time, defensively he was better than anything the Twins have had in a long time.
Redman is a great guy to have as your backup but havent we noticed that the more he plays the more banged up he gets.
Mauers latest injury had nothing to do with him playing catcher.
Mauers full value to a team is as a catcher.
Anybody can play frst base.
PS The bullpen is shot. But hey, lets get those starters out after 100 pitches. I guess it isnt important if the bulpen pitchers get tired.
Redman is a great guy to have as your backup but havent we noticed that the more he plays the more banged up he gets.
Mauers latest injury had nothing to do with him playing catcher.
Mauers full value to a team is as a catcher.
Anybody can play frst base.
PS The bullpen is shot. But hey, lets get those starters out after 100 pitches. I guess it isnt important if the bulpen pitchers get tired.
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I've come full circle on this Mauer thing myself, for now, he needs to be behind the plate. When he is healthy and squatting behind the dish, there is no running game.
After Thome tightened up Friday's game with the three run shot, Podsednik ran for Konerko who had walked, Pods then stole 2nd. If Mauer is there, Podsednik stays at 1st keeping the DP in effect or he gets thrown out going to two. Redmond can't keep runners at first and neither can LECROY.
After Thome tightened up Friday's game with the three run shot, Podsednik ran for Konerko who had walked, Pods then stole 2nd. If Mauer is there, Podsednik stays at 1st keeping the DP in effect or he gets thrown out going to two. Redmond can't keep runners at first and neither can LECROY.
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Redmond actually has a very good throw out percentage. I recall him throwing out three guys in one game this year. LeCroy isn't the answer, but it is sure nice to see Big Country back with the club.
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Well the party is winding down, the band has long since packed up their instruments, the deep fried appetizers are now creating gastro intestinal havoc with partygoers, and even the bartender has time to start counting his tips as even the porous nosed Irishmen are thinking about going home to sleep it off.
Believe it or not, this team actually played meaningful games up until August 28. Moral wasn't high but a glimmer of hope quickly faded into oblivion from August 27-29 where the Twins were swept and outscored by CLE 14-0 in the first four innings of the series. With a couple swings of Hafner's bat the Twins went from 5.5 to 8.5 games back. It seemed to be a season where the Twins weren't in it but never completely out of it. I guess it could be worse as the Royals, Orioles, Rays, and Nationals fans had little to get excited about after Mothers Day.
What happened? Well Sports Illustrated called it for what it was even before the great Santana toed the rubber for the first time. SI seemed to think the Twins had several key components that couldn't achieve what they had done in '06.
Divisional Series: Game #1 vs. Oakland
1. Castillo-repeated '06 numbers until traded late in July
2. Punto-not even close to '06 production
3. Mauer-not even close to '06 production
4. Cuddyer-not even close to '06 production
5. Morneau-will end with good numbers, won't match '06, horrid 2nd half
6. Hunter-great season, seems to go hand in hand in a contract year.
7. Nevin-
8. White-hard to believe he could do less this year than last year, but he did
9. Bartlett-doesn't matter, he's the nine man, field your position
'06 Playoff Rotation
#1 Santana-deserved better than he got this season
#2 Bonser-not even close to '06 production
#3 Radke-still missed by Packerboy
Believe it or not, this team actually played meaningful games up until August 28. Moral wasn't high but a glimmer of hope quickly faded into oblivion from August 27-29 where the Twins were swept and outscored by CLE 14-0 in the first four innings of the series. With a couple swings of Hafner's bat the Twins went from 5.5 to 8.5 games back. It seemed to be a season where the Twins weren't in it but never completely out of it. I guess it could be worse as the Royals, Orioles, Rays, and Nationals fans had little to get excited about after Mothers Day.
What happened? Well Sports Illustrated called it for what it was even before the great Santana toed the rubber for the first time. SI seemed to think the Twins had several key components that couldn't achieve what they had done in '06.
Divisional Series: Game #1 vs. Oakland
1. Castillo-repeated '06 numbers until traded late in July
2. Punto-not even close to '06 production
3. Mauer-not even close to '06 production
4. Cuddyer-not even close to '06 production
5. Morneau-will end with good numbers, won't match '06, horrid 2nd half
6. Hunter-great season, seems to go hand in hand in a contract year.
7. Nevin-
8. White-hard to believe he could do less this year than last year, but he did
9. Bartlett-doesn't matter, he's the nine man, field your position
'06 Playoff Rotation
#1 Santana-deserved better than he got this season
#2 Bonser-not even close to '06 production
#3 Radke-still missed by Packerboy
I do miss Radke but was delighted when GMtana took over his role as front office liason.
They had a bad year. Even the guys who will end up with decent numbers seemed to struggle when it really counted.
But I have been around a long time and have seen a lot of Twins teams. This happens even when you have assembled a good group.
The Twins in '64 finished in the lower half of the league and in '65 were the AL champs.
In '68 they were bad and in '69 and '70 won the division.
The '87 and '91 championships were preceded by off years.
All of the above teams had one thing in common: a core of good proven players.
This team, if it keeps Hunter, has a solid core of good proven players.
But it will take more than TR making some good moves to get them back in contention.
The guys that are the core, have to do better.
They had a bad year. Even the guys who will end up with decent numbers seemed to struggle when it really counted.
But I have been around a long time and have seen a lot of Twins teams. This happens even when you have assembled a good group.
The Twins in '64 finished in the lower half of the league and in '65 were the AL champs.
In '68 they were bad and in '69 and '70 won the division.
The '87 and '91 championships were preceded by off years.
All of the above teams had one thing in common: a core of good proven players.
This team, if it keeps Hunter, has a solid core of good proven players.
But it will take more than TR making some good moves to get them back in contention.
The guys that are the core, have to do better.
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Let's look at a positive lineup for next year..
1. Alexi Casilla-has proven he has the raw talent at time
2. Jason Bartlett-Superb #2 hitter, needs to play like he has at the end of this season.
3. Joe Mauer-I predict a "bounce back" year.
4. Torii Hunter-He will stay, and he will put up great number again next season.
5. Justin Morneau-Needs to be productive next season.
6. Michael Cuddyer-One of the best arms in the game, needs to cut back on K's
7. Jason Kubel-It WILL BE his breakout year. He will hit 20+ homeruns and drive in 75+ runs...likely bat .270
8. Brian Buscher-A lot of talk that the club will look at him heavily next year
9. Take your pick in Left/DH
Rotation:
1. Santana-still has very good numbers
2. Baker-finally figuring it out, will have a great '08 season
3. Liriano-Hopefully back in mid-'06 form
4 Matt Garza-Needs to come along mentally, great stuff.
5. Perkins/Slowey/Blackburn/Silva-Flip a few coins. I'd like to see Perkins
Possible Pen:
Matt Guerrier
Perkins
Slowey
Neshek
Some spots the team needs to fill:
BULLPEN-Nathan will likely be gone
3RD BASE-I will not stand for Nick Punto playing full-time
DH-I assume Kubel will take over permanently in Left
I like the '08 outlook.
1. Alexi Casilla-has proven he has the raw talent at time
2. Jason Bartlett-Superb #2 hitter, needs to play like he has at the end of this season.
3. Joe Mauer-I predict a "bounce back" year.
4. Torii Hunter-He will stay, and he will put up great number again next season.
5. Justin Morneau-Needs to be productive next season.
6. Michael Cuddyer-One of the best arms in the game, needs to cut back on K's
7. Jason Kubel-It WILL BE his breakout year. He will hit 20+ homeruns and drive in 75+ runs...likely bat .270
8. Brian Buscher-A lot of talk that the club will look at him heavily next year
9. Take your pick in Left/DH
Rotation:
1. Santana-still has very good numbers
2. Baker-finally figuring it out, will have a great '08 season
3. Liriano-Hopefully back in mid-'06 form
4 Matt Garza-Needs to come along mentally, great stuff.
5. Perkins/Slowey/Blackburn/Silva-Flip a few coins. I'd like to see Perkins
Possible Pen:
Matt Guerrier
Perkins
Slowey
Neshek
Some spots the team needs to fill:
BULLPEN-Nathan will likely be gone
3RD BASE-I will not stand for Nick Punto playing full-time
DH-I assume Kubel will take over permanently in Left
I like the '08 outlook.
I agree boblee.
But he has to go out and get a DH. It doesnt have to be Babe Ruth.
Just a guy who can hitin the .270s with 25 HRs and 90 RBIs.
If you are right and Kubel breaks out and he would sign a DH, I can live with Punto at 3B.
Its really not rocket science.
How can you expext to compete with CLE and DET if they have Hafner and Scheffield at DH and you may as well bat the pitcher. Its not possible. Not long term.
You gotta have what the other guys have or they will beat on you like a drum. The way CLE does.
But he has to go out and get a DH. It doesnt have to be Babe Ruth.
Just a guy who can hitin the .270s with 25 HRs and 90 RBIs.
If you are right and Kubel breaks out and he would sign a DH, I can live with Punto at 3B.
Its really not rocket science.
How can you expext to compete with CLE and DET if they have Hafner and Scheffield at DH and you may as well bat the pitcher. Its not possible. Not long term.
You gotta have what the other guys have or they will beat on you like a drum. The way CLE does.
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I'm not sold on Kubel busting out next year. He can be a serviceable LF and a good hitter but I don't think the best year of his career will equal what Cuddyer did last year.
Organizations have a knack for recognizing a certain type of talent, I'll give the Twins credit for recognizing pitching, but hitting they can not. How many moons passed without a guy hitting 30 HR's, that's not an accident, it is a trend.
I want the Twins to go out and steal whoever is responsible for finding Cleveland's bats. They have had a steady train of great hitters like Thome, Alomar, Fryman, Justice, Gonzalez, Manny, Sexson, Hafner, Sizemore, Martinez and now this Asdrubal Cabrera guy.
What have the Twins drafted or acquired during that CLE run?
I guess I just don't trust the Twins when they try sell me on a prospect because most of them end up being a Restovich or a Buchanan.
Organizations have a knack for recognizing a certain type of talent, I'll give the Twins credit for recognizing pitching, but hitting they can not. How many moons passed without a guy hitting 30 HR's, that's not an accident, it is a trend.
I want the Twins to go out and steal whoever is responsible for finding Cleveland's bats. They have had a steady train of great hitters like Thome, Alomar, Fryman, Justice, Gonzalez, Manny, Sexson, Hafner, Sizemore, Martinez and now this Asdrubal Cabrera guy.
What have the Twins drafted or acquired during that CLE run?
I guess I just don't trust the Twins when they try sell me on a prospect because most of them end up being a Restovich or a Buchanan.
Listen... if you guys feel the need to badmouth Rondell White, I guess that's your perogative, but I REFUSE... repeat - REFUSE to sit idly by and let everybody trash Phil Neven. The guy is a true Minnesota sports hero, and I, for one, will be the first in line at Govs Park at Pohlad Yards in 2011 when he is immortalized in the Twins Hall of Fame.Irishmans Shanty wrote: What have the Twins drafted or acquired during that CLE run?
And what exactly are you trying to say about Tom Prince?! You think he's a nobody too? Listen, when you have big dogs like Prince & "Ravishing" Rick Reed on your ball club, you just don't always have the money to throw around at these half-assed wannabes like David Ortiz.
Don't you know anything about baseball finance? Geez!
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Boys , it isnt that hard. We could have had Frank Thomas 2 years ago for a song.
Matt Stairs was signed by TOR. Sure , he is 39 but he has hit 20 HRs for them in only 300 ABs. $850,000 salary. If he had 500 ABs and still had the same numbers it would be a plus.
Its not like ther just isnt anybody out there who can help. I suppose TR will tell you he thought Rondell would be a Matt Stairs. Well Ok but he wasnt so go in another direction.
Its also not like we have anyone now. It not like we have to be afraid to let someone go. Just get somebody who can hit 15 HRs. Only 2 guys on the team have more than 15.
Matt Stairs was signed by TOR. Sure , he is 39 but he has hit 20 HRs for them in only 300 ABs. $850,000 salary. If he had 500 ABs and still had the same numbers it would be a plus.
Its not like ther just isnt anybody out there who can help. I suppose TR will tell you he thought Rondell would be a Matt Stairs. Well Ok but he wasnt so go in another direction.
Its also not like we have anyone now. It not like we have to be afraid to let someone go. Just get somebody who can hit 15 HRs. Only 2 guys on the team have more than 15.
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OK. That was good. Really good. With the creativity of some of our minnhock members (hint PB and Shanty), we could do better. Maybe not quite so mean though.Govs93 wrote:Since all hope is lost, maybe this could be something entertaining to watch at the next Twins homestand. Anybody know someone to set up?
Man... I've always wanted to do that.
The only soft spot I see is the one between my legs
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So who are people cheering for this postseason? I like the Cubs...and Jacque Jones