How is that relevant? the 2 dmen who stayed are better off anyway as they would have been 5th and 6th dmen/3rd pairing at LN and not played nearly as much as they are at LS.Defensive Zone wrote:North would have had more new players this year but 3-4 players from South decided not to make the jump (follow the North assistant coach). But that is another thread. North has 3 very good lines and a goalie that can stop the puck on any given day. They have a 90-95% chance of staying undefeated this year.ThePuckStopsHere wrote:100% They are the greatest public school team ever recruited - oops I mean assembled – oops you know what I mean
Percent chance LVN does not lose a game.
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Lets just put this to bed now. They already are not the best team in history. The '93 Jaguars won each of their 28 games by a minimum of 3 goals, en route to the state championship. Not one team even came close to them in a game.hockey59 wrote:You got to be JOKING about laying stake as arguably the best team in Minnesota high school hockey history...CORRECT? They have a nice team...got a good chance at taking State this year...end of story.Tenoverpar wrote:I got Lakeville North running the table, uncrowning Edina at the X and laying stake as arguably the best team in Minnesota high school hockey history..the only way they lose if they just flat out don't show up one night..we would have to go back to last year around this time when ONE North faithful was on the board touting this group and everyone was like..no way...and even Karl was like...I guess we'll move them up a spot here and there....whoever that was last year in November/December..spot on assessment of the value in this group of players...
Take nothing away from LVN. They are a very good team and fun to watch. There just isn't that level of distinction this year where its LVN and then everyone else. Most people are saying (at this point in the season at least) that it's LVN, STA, Edina and then everyone else.
Got to Ames 8 minutes late tonite due to black ice. Dumb luck, an empty parking spot right up front. As SATS indicates, the Panthers were already up 3 to 0 over PL ! So much for Scites having a hot game and an upset I thought, maybe time to turn around and head back to West Metro. But Lakers rallied a couple times to their credit, but lost by 3 counting the empty netter. Just about what I figured, a 3 goal win. Scites came out after period 2.
I saw LVN 3x last year ( and then the tourney) and now 3x this year. I walked away tonite thinking when is the last time I saw this kind of talent at every position for two shifts for sure and three maybe, and figured Id go home and starting looking at 93 Jag scores to see average win margin compared to this team. If SATS is right this was their worst game of year, I then dont see how anyone else is going to stop them, except maybe wily Coach Randolph, and we got to start thinking about Panthers in the top tier of all modern era teams.
I saw LVN 3x last year ( and then the tourney) and now 3x this year. I walked away tonite thinking when is the last time I saw this kind of talent at every position for two shifts for sure and three maybe, and figured Id go home and starting looking at 93 Jag scores to see average win margin compared to this team. If SATS is right this was their worst game of year, I then dont see how anyone else is going to stop them, except maybe wily Coach Randolph, and we got to start thinking about Panthers in the top tier of all modern era teams.
Here is my take:
The season is still very young. If they were to actually pull it off, they need to win 18 more games in a row! That is a lot of hockey. LN is in no place for ANYONE including the original Sats (Saterdalen) himself to be anointing them as best ever or even one of the best ever. That's just laughable really, and I can promise you Eigs and the rest of the LN staff and players would likely agree. That's the nice part about this group, they take nothing for granted and Eigs or the leaders won't allow them for one second to take ANYONE or ANY TEAM lightly. Sure the remaining reg season schedule appears to be a "smoother" road then the first 13 games, but anything can happen in HS hockey, unless you are playing a Luverne Bantam B2 like schedule (Roll CARDS, Roll!). Bad bounce here, crossbar or post there, Mike Randolph coached team here, etc. These are 16-17-18 yr old kids, lets not forget that. The one reason I do think they have a legitimate shot to do this is the competitiveness they play with every single shift. Its rare you see anyone take a shift off. I think a lot of the kids are influenced/inspired by the play of the Poehling boys who rarely, if ever lose a battle to a loose puck and play like its their last game every night. This is what will separate them IMO. They are hungry. Starving. And are aware of what they could do and what this means if this thing keeps rolling.
As far as last night is concerned, if you take away the first 5 mins of period 1, it was their worst game of the year. They were out of sync, couldn't stay out of the box, and weren't their usual puck moving, high octane, in-sync selves. PL is NOT a top 10 team. No disrespect to them, but this game could have easily been 9 or 10-1. They are undisciplined and don't have the talent or depth like an Edina to play half the game shorthanded. Sure, they will get away with it against lower level teams, but they can thank the refs (who in fairness made bad calls both ways last night) that they were able to hang around.
IF LN did happen to run the table and go 31-0 I still would have a hard time saying they are/were best HS team ever. In fact, just going back the last 20-25 years I can think of several teams who lost 1-2 games that I don't think they are as good as. For one the 93 Jefferson team who did go undefeated has to go down as the best ever. Period. The 92 and 94 state championship teams as well certainly were not pushovers either as I believe they lost 3 games total in that period. Another great team IMO and many DE faithful will argue (understandably) that they shouldn't have even won a title was 96 Apple Valley, who I think was 27-1. Of course you can't overlook the 95 DE state champ team who likely wasn't as good as the 96 team who lost to AV In that 5 OT semifinal thriller and ended up taking 3rd, and lets never forget the great 97 DE team who did in fact go undefeated all the way to the state championship game and ran out of gas and lost 1-0 to a much lesser (IMO) edina squad. In that 4 year period, many could argue that DE could have easily won 4 straight titles....(they won in 95 and 98 and finished 3rd in 96 and runner up in 97). The last team I will talk about that I think was better than this LN group was the 99 Roseau team, who I am almost certain went 27-1. They absolutely destroyed teams. Buried them. They played with a killer instinct that I haven't seen before or since. They came at you in waves and weren't satisfied with a 1 or 2 goal win. They wanted to put you into running time. They played extremely physical, but disciplined and had excellent skill top to bottom.
Again, there are so many things that can happen and as i've said before, the further LN goes down this rarely traveled path the harder its going to get as they will continually get EVERYONES best effort, the pressure will seemingly increase and they will have to be at their best all the time. Something I'm confident they can do.
The season is still very young. If they were to actually pull it off, they need to win 18 more games in a row! That is a lot of hockey. LN is in no place for ANYONE including the original Sats (Saterdalen) himself to be anointing them as best ever or even one of the best ever. That's just laughable really, and I can promise you Eigs and the rest of the LN staff and players would likely agree. That's the nice part about this group, they take nothing for granted and Eigs or the leaders won't allow them for one second to take ANYONE or ANY TEAM lightly. Sure the remaining reg season schedule appears to be a "smoother" road then the first 13 games, but anything can happen in HS hockey, unless you are playing a Luverne Bantam B2 like schedule (Roll CARDS, Roll!). Bad bounce here, crossbar or post there, Mike Randolph coached team here, etc. These are 16-17-18 yr old kids, lets not forget that. The one reason I do think they have a legitimate shot to do this is the competitiveness they play with every single shift. Its rare you see anyone take a shift off. I think a lot of the kids are influenced/inspired by the play of the Poehling boys who rarely, if ever lose a battle to a loose puck and play like its their last game every night. This is what will separate them IMO. They are hungry. Starving. And are aware of what they could do and what this means if this thing keeps rolling.
As far as last night is concerned, if you take away the first 5 mins of period 1, it was their worst game of the year. They were out of sync, couldn't stay out of the box, and weren't their usual puck moving, high octane, in-sync selves. PL is NOT a top 10 team. No disrespect to them, but this game could have easily been 9 or 10-1. They are undisciplined and don't have the talent or depth like an Edina to play half the game shorthanded. Sure, they will get away with it against lower level teams, but they can thank the refs (who in fairness made bad calls both ways last night) that they were able to hang around.
IF LN did happen to run the table and go 31-0 I still would have a hard time saying they are/were best HS team ever. In fact, just going back the last 20-25 years I can think of several teams who lost 1-2 games that I don't think they are as good as. For one the 93 Jefferson team who did go undefeated has to go down as the best ever. Period. The 92 and 94 state championship teams as well certainly were not pushovers either as I believe they lost 3 games total in that period. Another great team IMO and many DE faithful will argue (understandably) that they shouldn't have even won a title was 96 Apple Valley, who I think was 27-1. Of course you can't overlook the 95 DE state champ team who likely wasn't as good as the 96 team who lost to AV In that 5 OT semifinal thriller and ended up taking 3rd, and lets never forget the great 97 DE team who did in fact go undefeated all the way to the state championship game and ran out of gas and lost 1-0 to a much lesser (IMO) edina squad. In that 4 year period, many could argue that DE could have easily won 4 straight titles....(they won in 95 and 98 and finished 3rd in 96 and runner up in 97). The last team I will talk about that I think was better than this LN group was the 99 Roseau team, who I am almost certain went 27-1. They absolutely destroyed teams. Buried them. They played with a killer instinct that I haven't seen before or since. They came at you in waves and weren't satisfied with a 1 or 2 goal win. They wanted to put you into running time. They played extremely physical, but disciplined and had excellent skill top to bottom.
Again, there are so many things that can happen and as i've said before, the further LN goes down this rarely traveled path the harder its going to get as they will continually get EVERYONES best effort, the pressure will seemingly increase and they will have to be at their best all the time. Something I'm confident they can do.
Your comment below is why I am starting to think about Panthers in the TOP TIER of modern era teams. As I said in my comment last nite , NOT necessarily TOP, but in the TOP TIER of modern era . ( There would be some Hill and Edina teams in there, along with Jags, Hounds and Rams that you mentioned.)
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" The one reason I do think they have a legitimate shot to do this is the competitiveness they play with every single shift. Its rare you see anyone take a shift off. I think a lot of the kids are influenced/inspired by the play of the Poehling boys who rarely, if ever lose a battle to a loose puck and play like its their last game every night. This is what will separate them IMO. They are hungry. Starving. And are aware of what they could do and what this means if this thing keeps rolling. "
I agree completely with what you are saying. And you may as well be qouting from the Blades of Glory. Just think about it, there are at least 5 kids who could have left for juniors this year but didnt because they were hungry. And a few others not far behind that. May be 7-8 D1 by the time all is said and done.
Then, I look at kids like Schneider and Alty, who do not get as much publicity, but are obviously inspired players and never take a shift off. Or if you werent intimated enough by staring at McNeeley or Sadek as you skate in the puck, you see a guy like Seper about to put you on the boards. There are other kids also who seem to be playing 125% above their talent level just thru the hustle and inspiration factor.
Pure skating talent, depth of talent, goaltending talent, NHL caliber defensemen, team quickness, stick control, puck awareness and aggressiveness, defensive zone breakout second to none, balanced scoring (possibly 8 guys will get to 25 points or more), appropriate (most time) chippiness and intimidation, 125% effort, and on top of everything else inspiration to play and win, and a coach that Ive always heard wont tolerate anything less. All this is recipe for unbeaten season and Champ trophy at the X.
I saw STA beat BSM last week, and I just didnt see the same level of position for position quantity or depth of talent, 51 minute inspiration, or team cohesiveness. Maybe another game Id feel differently. Id say the same about the Hornet games Ive seen.
So to Gitters final sentence, Id said its the Panthers well ahead of Cadets and Hornets, and then after that its everybody else. And this is coming from a guy who had Hornets ranked first at beginning of the season.
SATS SAYS
" The one reason I do think they have a legitimate shot to do this is the competitiveness they play with every single shift. Its rare you see anyone take a shift off. I think a lot of the kids are influenced/inspired by the play of the Poehling boys who rarely, if ever lose a battle to a loose puck and play like its their last game every night. This is what will separate them IMO. They are hungry. Starving. And are aware of what they could do and what this means if this thing keeps rolling. "
I agree completely with what you are saying. And you may as well be qouting from the Blades of Glory. Just think about it, there are at least 5 kids who could have left for juniors this year but didnt because they were hungry. And a few others not far behind that. May be 7-8 D1 by the time all is said and done.
Then, I look at kids like Schneider and Alty, who do not get as much publicity, but are obviously inspired players and never take a shift off. Or if you werent intimated enough by staring at McNeeley or Sadek as you skate in the puck, you see a guy like Seper about to put you on the boards. There are other kids also who seem to be playing 125% above their talent level just thru the hustle and inspiration factor.
Pure skating talent, depth of talent, goaltending talent, NHL caliber defensemen, team quickness, stick control, puck awareness and aggressiveness, defensive zone breakout second to none, balanced scoring (possibly 8 guys will get to 25 points or more), appropriate (most time) chippiness and intimidation, 125% effort, and on top of everything else inspiration to play and win, and a coach that Ive always heard wont tolerate anything less. All this is recipe for unbeaten season and Champ trophy at the X.
I saw STA beat BSM last week, and I just didnt see the same level of position for position quantity or depth of talent, 51 minute inspiration, or team cohesiveness. Maybe another game Id feel differently. Id say the same about the Hornet games Ive seen.
So to Gitters final sentence, Id said its the Panthers well ahead of Cadets and Hornets, and then after that its everybody else. And this is coming from a guy who had Hornets ranked first at beginning of the season.
Alty is actually their best all around d-man and I know many scouts who will say the same. The reason he gets little publicity is because he already got a full ride to Nebraska for baseball and is probably the best HS baseball player in the state. He is hands down a D-1 hockey player if he isn't so good at baseball.WestMetro wrote:Your comment below is why I am starting to think about Panthers in the TOP TIER of modern era teams. As I said in my comment last nite , NOT necessarily TOP, but in the TOP TIER of modern era . ( There would be some Hill and Edina teams in there, along with Jags, Hounds and Rams that you mentioned.)
SATS SAYS
" The one reason I do think they have a legitimate shot to do this is the competitiveness they play with every single shift. Its rare you see anyone take a shift off. I think a lot of the kids are influenced/inspired by the play of the Poehling boys who rarely, if ever lose a battle to a loose puck and play like its their last game every night. This is what will separate them IMO. They are hungry. Starving. And are aware of what they could do and what this means if this thing keeps rolling. "
I agree completely with what you are saying. And you may as well be qouting from the Blades of Glory. Just think about it, there are at least 5 kids who could have left for juniors this year but didnt because they were hungry. And a few others not far behind that. May be 7-8 D1 by the time all is said and done.
Then, I look at kids like Schneider and Alty, who do not get as much publicity, but are obviously inspired players and never take a shift off. Or if you werent intimated enough by staring at McNeeley or Sadek as you skate in the puck, you see a guy like Seper about to put you on the boards. There are other kids also who seem to be playing 125% above their talent level just thru the hustle and inspiration factor.
Pure skating talent, depth of talent, goaltending talent, NHL caliber defensemen, team quickness, stick control, puck awareness and aggressiveness, defensive zone breakout second to none, balanced scoring (possibly 8 guys will get to 25 points or more), appropriate (most time) chippiness and intimidation, 125% effort, and on top of everything else inspiration to play and win, and a coach that Ive always heard wont tolerate anything less. All this is recipe for unbeaten season and Champ trophy at the X.
I saw STA beat BSM last week, and I just didnt see the same level of position for position quantity or depth of talent, 51 minute inspiration, or team cohesiveness. Maybe another game Id feel differently. Id say the same about the Hornet games Ive seen.
So to Gitters final sentence, Id said its the Panthers well ahead of Cadets and Hornets, and then after that its everybody else. And this is coming from a guy who had Hornets ranked first at beginning of the season.
I would actually argue that there will eventually be 10-11 on this team when all is set and done....you will for sure see 2 more commitments, maybe 3 by years end putting it at 9.WestMetro wrote:Your comment below is why I am starting to think about Panthers in the TOP TIER of modern era teams. As I said in my comment last nite , NOT necessarily TOP, but in the TOP TIER of modern era . ( There would be some Hill and Edina teams in there, along with Jags, Hounds and Rams that you mentioned.)
SATS SAYS
" The one reason I do think they have a legitimate shot to do this is the competitiveness they play with every single shift. Its rare you see anyone take a shift off. I think a lot of the kids are influenced/inspired by the play of the Poehling boys who rarely, if ever lose a battle to a loose puck and play like its their last game every night. This is what will separate them IMO. They are hungry. Starving. And are aware of what they could do and what this means if this thing keeps rolling. "
I agree completely with what you are saying. And you may as well be qouting from the Blades of Glory. Just think about it, there are at least 5 kids who could have left for juniors this year but didnt because they were hungry. And a few others not far behind that. May be 7-8 D1 by the time all is said and done.
Then, I look at kids like Schneider and Alty, who do not get as much publicity, but are obviously inspired players and never take a shift off. Or if you werent intimated enough by staring at McNeeley or Sadek as you skate in the puck, you see a guy like Seper about to put you on the boards. There are other kids also who seem to be playing 125% above their talent level just thru the hustle and inspiration factor.
Pure skating talent, depth of talent, goaltending talent, NHL caliber defensemen, team quickness, stick control, puck awareness and aggressiveness, defensive zone breakout second to none, balanced scoring (possibly 8 guys will get to 25 points or more), appropriate (most time) chippiness and intimidation, 125% effort, and on top of everything else inspiration to play and win, and a coach that Ive always heard wont tolerate anything less. All this is recipe for unbeaten season and Champ trophy at the X.
I saw STA beat BSM last week, and I just didnt see the same level of position for position quantity or depth of talent, 51 minute inspiration, or team cohesiveness. Maybe another game Id feel differently. Id say the same about the Hornet games Ive seen.
So to Gitters final sentence, Id said its the Panthers well ahead of Cadets and Hornets, and then after that its everybody else. And this is coming from a guy who had Hornets ranked first at beginning of the season.
So , Panthers are getting close to the rarified air of 10 or more D1s, list below:
(However D1 count alone does not consider the intangibles of team cohesiveness, team hunger, or team inspiration to win.)
WestMetro
Post: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:43 pm
Reposting same previous list, no other teams have been presented with 10 or more confirmed Dls.... ( Minnetonka 08 team was only 9?.)
For now, going once, going twice......
Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:54 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Modified Updated List of Teams with 10 or more D1s Below,
for Continued Review .
15 - 1982 Edina (increased from 14)
13 - 1976 Grand Rapids
12 - 1996 Duluth East
12 - 1977 Edina (East)
11- 1975 Grand Rapids
10- 1997 Duluth East
10- 2010 Minnetonka (Or is it 9)
10- 1993 Jefferson
10- 1986 Edina
(However D1 count alone does not consider the intangibles of team cohesiveness, team hunger, or team inspiration to win.)
WestMetro
Post: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:43 pm
Reposting same previous list, no other teams have been presented with 10 or more confirmed Dls.... ( Minnetonka 08 team was only 9?.)
For now, going once, going twice......
Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:54 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Modified Updated List of Teams with 10 or more D1s Below,
for Continued Review .
15 - 1982 Edina (increased from 14)
13 - 1976 Grand Rapids
12 - 1996 Duluth East
12 - 1977 Edina (East)
11- 1975 Grand Rapids
10- 1997 Duluth East
10- 2010 Minnetonka (Or is it 9)
10- 1993 Jefferson
10- 1986 Edina
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I recall part of that thread being teams that had players that played D1 not just committed but none the less. LVN is at 6 committed. I am sure they will get to 8 or 9. How high caliber athletes are the non committed guys. D1 Baseball, impressive. Any other players D1 in other sports? D3 hockey caliber?.WestMetro wrote:So , Panthers are getting close to the rarified air of 10 or more D1s, list below:
(However D1 count alone does not consider the intangibles of team cohesiveness, team hunger, or team inspiration to win.)
WestMetro
Post: Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:43 pm
Reposting same previous list, no other teams have been presented with 10 or more confirmed Dls.... ( Minnetonka 08 team was only 9?.)
For now, going once, going twice......
Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:54 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Modified Updated List of Teams with 10 or more D1s Below,
for Continued Review .
15 - 1982 Edina (increased from 14)
13 - 1976 Grand Rapids
12 - 1996 Duluth East
12 - 1977 Edina (East)
11- 1975 Grand Rapids
10- 1997 Duluth East
10- 2010 Minnetonka (Or is it 9)
10- 1993 Jefferson
10- 1986 Edina
Interesting note the 2012 STA team, I researched during the time this thread was more active, had 9 D1 players or commits. 2 guys still in the NAHL trying to get a D1 deal, Zevnick, the Brimsik award winner, being one of them, if he was 2" taller someone would have nabbed him before he left high school ( topic for new thread). 2 guys playing D3 hockey, and 3 guys playing D1 football now. USC, Stanford and Dartmouth. 16 guys out of 20 playing College athletics. Should have gone AA earlier, that is alot of great athletes. The athletic talent and compete of the surrounding cast can't be understated.
I don't see it that way completely. I went to the Edina-LN game and I saw LN dominate a period, I saw Edina dominate a period, and I saw a third period that was fairly equal in chances.WestMetro wrote:So to Gitters final sentence, Id said its the Panthers well ahead of Cadets and Hornets, and then after that its everybody else. And this is coming from a guy who had Hornets ranked first at beginning of the season.
Now that was early in the season no doubt and things change, but I don't think there is that much separation between the two teams. LN may have the upper hand on skill guys, but Edina is a pretty cohesive deep team. And lets not forget, LN just had two 1-goal games with H-M and Wayzata - who we aren't even talking about in this discussion.
Forget the regular season for a minute, and maybe they will romp through their section and the state tournament by 3 goals a game. To me that would prove the separation between them and everyone else.
For the record, I hope they do win it all...it would be pretty cool to see an undefeated season...they come around so rarely in the modern era of high school hockey.
I hate St Thomas, but there is an argument that they are the best team in MN.
And Edina as not as dominate as people thought they would be, but there is still a good chance they win the Saturday night game in March.
And of course, all the orange and black fans on Hwy 2 THINK they will win it all.
And the orange and black in Moorhead are till waiting for their first championship and I am sure there are 20 kids for them that think they can win it.
Wayzata...
etc, etc.
LN is the front runner, but not the best team in modern times....
not until they are champs, then we can discuss it all summer and still come to the conclusion it is the Jags of 92 or Roseau in 99 or....
But that is why God gave us summer...
to talk about hockey.
And Edina as not as dominate as people thought they would be, but there is still a good chance they win the Saturday night game in March.
And of course, all the orange and black fans on Hwy 2 THINK they will win it all.
And the orange and black in Moorhead are till waiting for their first championship and I am sure there are 20 kids for them that think they can win it.
Wayzata...
etc, etc.
LN is the front runner, but not the best team in modern times....
not until they are champs, then we can discuss it all summer and still come to the conclusion it is the Jags of 92 or Roseau in 99 or....
But that is why God gave us summer...
to talk about hockey.
Amen!elliott70 wrote:I hate St Thomas, but there is an argument that they are the best team in MN.
And Edina as not as dominate as people thought they would be, but there is still a good chance they win the Saturday night game in March.
And of course, all the orange and black fans on Hwy 2 THINK they will win it all.
And the orange and black in Moorhead are till waiting for their first championship and I am sure there are 20 kids for them that think they can win it.
Wayzata...
etc, etc.
LN is the front runner, but not the best team in modern times....
not until they are champs, then we can discuss it all summer and still come to the conclusion it is the Jags of 92 or Roseau in 99 or....
But that is why God gave us summer...
to talk about hockey.
Jags of 93, Elliott with 2 T'selliott70 wrote:I hate St Thomas, but there is an argument that they are the best team in MN.
And Edina as not as dominate as people thought they would be, but there is still a good chance they win the Saturday night game in March.
And of course, all the orange and black fans on Hwy 2 THINK they will win it all.
And the orange and black in Moorhead are till waiting for their first championship and I am sure there are 20 kids for them that think they can win it.
Wayzata...
etc, etc.
LN is the front runner, but not the best team in modern times....
not until they are champs, then we can discuss it all summer and still come to the conclusion it is the Jags of 92 or Roseau in 99 or....
But that is why God gave us summer...
to talk about hockey.
See we already got a good discussion going....gitter wrote:Jags of 93, Elliott with 2 T'selliott70 wrote:I hate St Thomas, but there is an argument that they are the best team in MN.
And Edina as not as dominate as people thought they would be, but there is still a good chance they win the Saturday night game in March.
And of course, all the orange and black fans on Hwy 2 THINK they will win it all.
And the orange and black in Moorhead are till waiting for their first championship and I am sure there are 20 kids for them that think they can win it.
Wayzata...
etc, etc.
LN is the front runner, but not the best team in modern times....
not until they are champs, then we can discuss it all summer and still come to the conclusion it is the Jags of 92 or Roseau in 99 or....
But that is why God gave us summer...
to talk about hockey.
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If the Panthers do pull it off, one title I might be willing to give them is something like "greatest team of the early departure era." I'm not sure where you'd say that era started (1998? 2000? somewhere in there), but the HS landscape certainly shifted dramatically at that point. We're probably not going to see many teams with a bunch of NHL-bound seniors, as those 90s Jags had. But given the new landscape, it would still be awfully special if they did it.
If they don't pull it off, 2009 Edina, 2010 Minnetonka, 2012 Duluth East, and a whole bunch of other teams say "welcome to the club."
I think it also matters some who they beat en route to the title. If they have to beat dynastic Edina or undefeated St. Thomas to pull it off, it gets that much more impressive. (That's what makes the 90s Duluth East run so impressive; they ended the Jags' title run in stunning fashion in '95, and beat Matt Cullen's Spuds; they beat the #2, #3, and #4 ranked teams at State in '98...) If the better teams get cleared out before then, there's a bit more doubt about their dominant status.
If they don't pull it off, 2009 Edina, 2010 Minnetonka, 2012 Duluth East, and a whole bunch of other teams say "welcome to the club."
I think it also matters some who they beat en route to the title. If they have to beat dynastic Edina or undefeated St. Thomas to pull it off, it gets that much more impressive. (That's what makes the 90s Duluth East run so impressive; they ended the Jags' title run in stunning fashion in '95, and beat Matt Cullen's Spuds; they beat the #2, #3, and #4 ranked teams at State in '98...) If the better teams get cleared out before then, there's a bit more doubt about their dominant status.
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WestMetro are you sure you aren't living in the south metro with Sats. You've gone off the deep end lately. I'd say the title for LN is best public school recruiting job the modern era. Maybe best parent support to turnover the program and prior coach. How about that 2-0 win over Eagan just last week? 11 D-1 LN kids battling against a weak Eagan squad in the SSC that we'll hear is the toughest conference in the state. Easily could have lost that game to the kitty cats that would have been without a doubt the biggest bubble bursting in the modern era. 
Yes, saw that score. Thats why I trucked down from the West Metro for the Prior Lake game, figured maybe they were vulnerable for an upset.
But point is: its NOT happening. Game after game they are coming away with the win. OK, maybe not a 3 goal margin, but at least 2.
Sidebar: Mike Taylor is a coach who can close up a gap on a higher rated opponent, just look at last years state tourney. Next possibility is Mike Randolph next week.
But point is: its NOT happening. Game after game they are coming away with the win. OK, maybe not a 3 goal margin, but at least 2.
Sidebar: Mike Taylor is a coach who can close up a gap on a higher rated opponent, just look at last years state tourney. Next possibility is Mike Randolph next week.
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Nuts&Bolts wrote:WestMetro are you sure you aren't living in the south metro with Sats. You've gone off the deep end lately. I'd say the title for LN is best public school recruiting job the modern era. Maybe best parent support to turnover the program and prior coach. How about that 2-0 win over Eagan just last week? 11 D-1 LN kids battling against a weak Eagan squad in the SSC that we'll hear is the toughest conference in the state. Easily could have lost that game to the kitty cats that would have been without a doubt the biggest bubble bursting in the modern era.
Sounds like Nuts&Bolts has a score to settle with ya WestMetro
The more you post, the more you reveal how clueless you are. Were you at the Eagan game? Shots were 55-9. Eagan and the little guy prepped for this game the last month. They played like it was their game 7 of the cup finals. It it wasn't for kitty goalie intentionally knocking net off several times and several posts and bars that game is 7, 8, 9, 10-0.Nuts&Bolts wrote:WestMetro are you sure you aren't living in the south metro with Sats. You've gone off the deep end lately. I'd say the title for LN is best public school recruiting job the modern era. Maybe best parent support to turnover the program and prior coach. How about that 2-0 win over Eagan just last week? 11 D-1 LN kids battling against a weak Eagan squad in the SSC that we'll hear is the toughest conference in the state. Easily could have lost that game to the kitty cats that would have been without a doubt the biggest bubble bursting in the modern era.
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Let's not have the shots on goal discussion. It was 1-0 until late and one bounce is all it may take. So did Eagan not prep for Wayzata in losing 11-1? Maybe the Cats want to focus on the SSC games only. Oh but they forgot to prep for Apple Valley. Since you know the south metro better than all Sats when was the last time Eagan lost 6-1 to Apple Valley? I may be nuts but selective preparation and gearing up for only the LN game makes no sense not even for Mini-M(ik)e. Should LN have a down night similar to the Eagan game it may be the end of the run for the Panthers against a decent team. Yes until it actually happens LN is the best team of the modern era and is 'easily' favored to win it all this year. 
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And no I wasn't at the game but to say the game could have been 10-0 for LN (easily?) had the Eagan goalie not knocked the net off a bunch of times (easily 8?) is likely the most ridiculous thing that's been said in awhile on this bored (at least since yesterday with you and your buddy tagging LN the best team of the modern era with 11 D1 (easily?) prospects).
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Nuts&Bolts
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Let's not have the shots on goal discussion. It was 1-0 until late and one bounce is all it may take. So did Eagan not prep for Wayzata in losing 11-1? Maybe the Cats want to focus on the SSC games only. Oh but they forgot to prep for Apple Valley. Since you know the south metro better than all Sats when was the last time Eagan lost 6-1 to Apple Valley? I may be nuts but selective preparation and gearing up for only the LN game makes no sense not even for Mini-M(ik)e. Should LN have a down night similar to the Eagan game it may be the end of the run for the Panthers against a decent team. Yes until it actually happens LN is the best team of the modern era and is 'easily' favored to win it all this year.