2012-2013 Russell Stover Tryouts

Irish · Post by **Irish** » Mon May 28, 2012 5:15 pm

old goalie85 wrote:So what would be interesting would be to have some Pee-wee teams come up here to play us. Maybe end of the year we should put together District allstar teams. I have a feeling that would be in our favor.

Great idea! Who's the brave one that wants to choose kids from D6? Any takers?

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Mon May 28, 2012 5:34 pm

That would be the part that would suck !!! Can you picture the parents of little Jonny Superstar after he/she got cut????

SnowedIn · Post by **SnowedIn** » Mon May 28, 2012 5:34 pm

thanks for the stats comparing middle of the road AAA teams to association hockey. Middle of the road AAA teams ranked 20-40 are comparable to good AA teams.

And the fact is that "A" association hockey in Minnesota is only comparable to AA hockey outside of Minnesota. Minnesota hockey is great because its inclusive but other than Shattuck there is no place for the elite players to play together in MN.

Yes MN high school hockey is the best high school hockey in the US. That's because the better players play club hockey (AAA, AA) everywhere else.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Mon May 28, 2012 5:35 pm

I would bet D6/D8/D3 would do just fine @ the national level.

SnowedIn · Post by **SnowedIn** » Mon May 28, 2012 5:55 pm

old goalie85 wrote:I would bet D6/D8/D3 would do just fine @ the national level.

If they were lumped in with St. Louis, Chicago and/or Team Wisconsin (older ages) in regionals they wouldn't even get to Nationals. Not a chance.

Now if MN had Tier 1 (AAA) hockey that would be a different story all together.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Mon May 28, 2012 6:04 pm

The Fire seemed to do just fine. A D6 team of 99's would be just as good as the 99 Fire were.

SnowedIn · Post by **SnowedIn** » Mon May 28, 2012 8:27 pm

old goalie85 wrote:The Fire seemed to do just fine. A D6 team of 99's would be just as good as the 99 Fire were.

Oh - yes. Agree that an allstar team out of MN would compete very well at regionals and nationals.

I was commenting on the association teams and how a state champ at the association level would do against top regional and national teams - not very good. Same holds true for "any" highschool team that tried to compete with the top AAA regional and national Midget teams.

edgeless2 · Post by **edgeless2** » Mon May 28, 2012 9:12 pm

old goalie85 wrote:I would bet D6/D8/D3 would do just fine @ the national level.

I believe it just happened at the peewee level this weekend at a Top Tier tourney in Chicago. But the 3 district area wasn't just playing the best of tier 1 teams. Just tier 1 all-star teams. US and Canada. Seems impressive.

Mnhockeys · Post by **Mnhockeys** » Mon May 28, 2012 11:22 pm

edgeless2 wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:I would bet D6/D8/D3 would do just fine @ the national level.
I believe it just happened at the peewee level this weekend at a Top Tier tourney in Chicago. But the 3 district area wasn't just playing the best of tier 1 teams. Just tier 1 all-star teams. US and Canada. Seems impressive.

W ... what?

Deep Breath · Post by **Deep Breath** » Tue May 29, 2012 7:08 am

Top Tier Chicago was held over the weekend. 2000 Machine beat the Bauer Selects in the finals. Website has the results: http://toptierhockey.selectssports.com/ ... b5db248426

SnowedIn · Post by **SnowedIn** » Tue May 29, 2012 9:19 am

Deep Breath wrote:Top Tier Chicago was held over the weekend. 2000 Machine beat the Bauer Selects in the finals. Website has the results: http://toptierhockey.selectssports.com/ ... b5db248426

Not to change my opinion that association hockey is watered down and can't compete well with good out of state "regular season" AAA teams and that elite level teams can be formed with players from association teams to compete against these teams, the Top Tier Chicago tournament does not have any "regular season" AAA teams in it. Bauer is a multi state/country all star team. The Machine team is not just a mulit district team. Its a Machine team whose players have received hundreds of hours of off season, top notch skills training that is not available in association programs. So its a bad example to use the 2000 Machine to say that association hockey can produce a good team if you draw from multi districts.

Deep Breath · Post by **Deep Breath** » Tue May 29, 2012 9:30 am

Snowed: Wasn't arguing for or against anything in particular regarding assocaition hockey and what it can or cannot do. A poster mentioned the Top Tier in Chicago over the past weekend. I simply indicated what it was and who from the area was there. The tournament website has the results.

SnowedIn · Post by **SnowedIn** » Tue May 29, 2012 11:16 am

Deep Breath wrote:Snowed: Wasn't arguing for or against anything in particular regarding assocaition hockey and what it can or cannot do. A poster mentioned the Top Tier in Chicago over the past weekend. I simply indicated what it was and who from the area was there. The tournament website has the results.

My comments were directed at previous posts.

Irish · Post by **Irish** » Tue May 29, 2012 5:34 pm

old goalie85 wrote:That would be the part that would suck !!! Can you picture the parents of little Jonny Superstar after he/she got cut????

No doubt. Parents would be on the attack. You would have to find a non-partial coach to pick the best 15 skaters for each team. It could never happen. Never ever! Impossible.

It would be funny to watch if it did happen. Drama!

The Enlightened One · Post by **The Enlightened One** » Tue May 29, 2012 8:16 pm

Irish wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:That would be the part that would suck !!! Can you picture the parents of little Jonny Superstar after he/she got cut????
No doubt. Parents would be on the attack. You would have to find a non-partial coach to pick the best 15 skaters for each team. It could never happen. Never ever! Impossible.

It would be funny to watch if it did happen. Drama!

The question is which coach wants to walk around with Secret Service protection 24/7 for the rest of his life? To say the parents would be on the attack is like saying that the economy suffered a little bit of a set back in 2008/9 time frame. You know which kids will be on the team, the coach's kid, his best friend's kid, the guy down the street who does lots of business with him's kid, the president of his home association's kid, the district president's kid, the coach's kid who is coaching at the next level up from where his kid is now's kid, a few of those kids who have old brothers who have not really shown "it" but their brothers were good so you know they will be good, the president of the arena board's kid, which ever civic leaders have a kid who plays hockey if the coach's current club is even thinking abot trying to get an arena, and many more equally as qualified kids.

Trying to get something like this going would be a great show to be on the sidelines watching but I am not so sure how well it would work out from a competition stand point.

MNM JMH · Post by **MNM JMH** » Tue May 29, 2012 9:24 pm

I've got it. It should be BM and that Bellows guy. Then all the following kids would be on the team.

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Tue May 29, 2012 10:57 pm

It has been a few years since Mn sent teams to the Tier I National Tournament earlier they would send teams to the Tier II which they won quite a few times. Returning to the Tier I level National Tournament in 1995 the teams Mn sent finished at least to the final crossover game and once Osseo/Maple Grove made it to the finals. When Edina hosted in 99 they were granted a spot Rochester North was the State Champ but Edina made it to the crossover game. The crossover game winners advance to the Championship. The last year a team from Mn Hockey played in the Tier I National youth tournament at the Bantam level was 2002.

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Wed May 30, 2012 12:55 am

The Enlightened One wrote:
Irish wrote:
old goalie85 wrote:That would be the part that would suck !!! Can you picture the parents of little Jonny Superstar after he/she got cut????
No doubt. Parents would be on the attack. You would have to find a non-partial coach to pick the best 15 skaters for each team. It could never happen. Never ever! Impossible.

It would be funny to watch if it did happen. Drama!
The question is which coach wants to walk around with Secret Service protection 24/7 for the rest of his life? To say the parents would be on the attack is like saying that the economy suffered a little bit of a set back in 2008/9 time frame. You know which kids will be on the team, the coach's kid, his best friend's kid, the guy down the street who does lots of business with him's kid, the president of his home association's kid, the district president's kid, the coach's kid who is coaching at the next level up from where his kid is now's kid, a few of those kids who have old brothers who have not really shown "it" but their brothers were good so you know they will be good, the president of the arena board's kid, which ever civic leaders have a kid who plays hockey if the coach's current club is even thinking abot trying to get an arena, and many more equally as qualified kids.

Trying to get something like this going would be a great show to be on the sidelines watching but I am not so sure how well it would work out from a competition stand point.

After a few months of reading the same mind numbing posts offered on this board, this is the most "Enlightening post" towards future prospects within youth hockey. When OG85 and OTC (USA Hockey) from Florida start agreeing there must be a solar ecliptic event happening or we can expect Bo to explain how the real "machine" has taken away opportunities within youth hockey. None the less, can someone explain how we are developing MN youth towards advanced hockey without bashing BM or other AAA programs? Time to assess what's important and maybe Greybeard58 can give us some direction.

Snap Happy · Post by **Snap Happy** » Wed May 30, 2012 2:54 pm

Ugottobekiddingme wrote:
The Enlightened One wrote:
Irish wrote: No doubt. Parents would be on the attack. You would have to find a non-partial coach to pick the best 15 skaters for each team. It could never happen. Never ever! Impossible.

It would be funny to watch if it did happen. Drama!
The question is which coach wants to walk around with Secret Service protection 24/7 for the rest of his life? To say the parents would be on the attack is like saying that the economy suffered a little bit of a set back in 2008/9 time frame. You know which kids will be on the team, the coach's kid, his best friend's kid, the guy down the street who does lots of business with him's kid, the president of his home association's kid, the district president's kid, the coach's kid who is coaching at the next level up from where his kid is now's kid, a few of those kids who have old brothers who have not really shown "it" but their brothers were good so you know they will be good, the president of the arena board's kid, which ever civic leaders have a kid who plays hockey if the coach's current club is even thinking abot trying to get an arena, and many more equally as qualified kids.

Trying to get something like this going would be a great show to be on the sidelines watching but I am not so sure how well it would work out from a competition stand point.
After a few months of reading the same mind numbing posts offered on this board, this is the most "Enlightening post" towards future prospects within youth hockey. When OG85 and OTC (USA Hockey) from Florida start agreeing there must be a solar ecliptic event happening or we can expect Bo to explain how the real "machine" has taken away opportunities within youth hockey. None the less, can someone explain how we are developing MN youth towards advanced hockey without bashing BM or other AAA programs? Time to assess what's important and maybe Greybeard58 can give us some direction.

I have to laugh at posts like this. MN is doing a fine job of developing it's youth - I'd like to see you prove that otherwise.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed May 30, 2012 5:38 pm

Snap Happy wrote:
Ugottobekiddingme wrote:
The Enlightened One wrote: The question is which coach wants to walk around with Secret Service protection 24/7 for the rest of his life? To say the parents would be on the attack is like saying that the economy suffered a little bit of a set back in 2008/9 time frame. You know which kids will be on the team, the coach's kid, his best friend's kid, the guy down the street who does lots of business with him's kid, the president of his home association's kid, the district president's kid, the coach's kid who is coaching at the next level up from where his kid is now's kid, a few of those kids who have old brothers who have not really shown "it" but their brothers were good so you know they will be good, the president of the arena board's kid, which ever civic leaders have a kid who plays hockey if the coach's current club is even thinking abot trying to get an arena, and many more equally as qualified kids.

Trying to get something like this going would be a great show to be on the sidelines watching but I am not so sure how well it would work out from a competition stand point.
After a few months of reading the same mind numbing posts offered on this board, this is the most "Enlightening post" towards future prospects within youth hockey. When OG85 and OTC (USA Hockey) from Florida start agreeing there must be a solar ecliptic event happening or we can expect Bo to explain how the real "machine" has taken away opportunities within youth hockey. None the less, can someone explain how we are developing MN youth towards advanced hockey without bashing BM or other AAA programs? Time to assess what's important and maybe Greybeard58 can give us some direction.
I have to laugh at posts like this. MN is doing a fine job of developing it's youth - I'd like to see you prove that otherwise.

Ugo and Puck must make Elk River proud.

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Wed May 30, 2012 10:21 pm

Snap Happy wrote:
Ugottobekiddingme wrote:
The Enlightened One wrote: The question is which coach wants to walk around with Secret Service protection 24/7 for the rest of his life? To say the parents would be on the attack is like saying that the economy suffered a little bit of a set back in 2008/9 time frame. You know which kids will be on the team, the coach's kid, his best friend's kid, the guy down the street who does lots of business with him's kid, the president of his home association's kid, the district president's kid, the coach's kid who is coaching at the next level up from where his kid is now's kid, a few of those kids who have old brothers who have not really shown "it" but their brothers were good so you know they will be good, the president of the arena board's kid, which ever civic leaders have a kid who plays hockey if the coach's current club is even thinking abot trying to get an arena, and many more equally as qualified kids.

Trying to get something like this going would be a great show to be on the sidelines watching but I am not so sure how well it would work out from a competition stand point.
After a few months of reading the same mind numbing posts offered on this board, this is the most "Enlightening post" towards future prospects within youth hockey. When OG85 and OTC (USA Hockey) from Florida start agreeing there must be a solar ecliptic event happening or we can expect Bo to explain how the real "machine" has taken away opportunities within youth hockey. None the less, can someone explain how we are developing MN youth towards advanced hockey without bashing BM or other AAA programs? Time to assess what's important and maybe Greybeard58 can give us some direction.
I have to laugh at posts like this. MN is doing a fine job of developing it's youth - I'd like to see you prove that otherwise.

"Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get"...but here lifes lesson #142, blue pucks, no checking in peewee's, nutrition regiment, class A/AA, waivers and I can go on and on without the help of big governing hockey telling me what entitlement is deserved by all looking for that one carmel filled nut roll. Proof is something you need to explore or just take a trip to KC.

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Wed May 30, 2012 10:22 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:
Snap Happy wrote:
Ugottobekiddingme wrote: After a few months of reading the same mind numbing posts offered on this board, this is the most "Enlightening post" towards future prospects within youth hockey. When OG85 and OTC (USA Hockey) from Florida start agreeing there must be a solar ecliptic event happening or we can expect Bo to explain how the real "machine" has taken away opportunities within youth hockey. None the less, can someone explain how we are developing MN youth towards advanced hockey without bashing BM or other AAA programs? Time to assess what's important and maybe Greybeard58 can give us some direction.
I have to laugh at posts like this. MN is doing a fine job of developing it's youth - I'd like to see you prove that otherwise.
Ugo and Puck must make Elk River proud.

Hi Bo!

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Wed May 30, 2012 10:45 pm

U:

Blue pucks are in the USA Hockey rulebook, as well as Canada's. Surprisingly, there have not been proposals to change the rule. (Mandatory at 8 & Under and suggested for 10 & Under.)

Irish · Post by **Irish** » Wed May 30, 2012 10:55 pm

O-townClown wrote:U:

Blue pucks are in the USA Hockey rulebook, as well as Canada's. Surprisingly, there have not been proposals to change the rule. (Mandatory at 8 & Under and suggested for 10 & Under.)

Our youth coaches kept the Blue pucks in the bag. Do you suppose our kids are lacking in development?

Is this some thing we the parents can blame if our kids don't make Varsity, D1, or Pro hockey?

dlow · Post by **dlow** » Wed May 30, 2012 10:58 pm

"Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to get"...but here lifes lesson #142, blue pucks, no checking in peewee's, nutrition regiment, class A/AA, waivers and I can go on and on without the help of big governing hockey telling me what entitlement is deserved by all looking for that one carmel filled nut roll. Proof is something you need to explore or just take a trip to KC.[/quote]

Entitlement is something you feel when your parents have the dough to send you out of MN in the winter to play hockey. Good way to get a big head on your kid i'd think, but to each his own.

...last winter I saw two russel stover kids w/moms flying home into msp from weekend practices. They also played for lakeville south...they were mixing up the jackets/hat/warm up pants combinations with both teams' swag represented. is that allowed?

And are carmel nut rolls allowed in the nutrition regiment?

Also, btw, the sky is falling.