Lakeville South..surprise team ??

[RickyTicky]

[quote="Defensive Zone"][quote="RickyTicky"][quote="Defensive Zone"][quote="RickyTicky"]I agree with Jimbo.. I was at the game and in the 1st period it was very obvious that this was South's first game of the season and Edina's 4th (especially in goaltending). Had South started their senior goalie that came in in the 2nd period and only let up one goal it may of been a different game.. I really don't think South has anything to worry about and I expect a much better game against Eagan next week[/quote]

I have a hard time believing if LS played four more games prior to the game last night against Edina, the outcome would have been different. These players now a day’s train and play games year round. LS was ready to play. Let’s quit sugar coating it. LS lost the game in the first, second, and third period. What until Eagan![/quote]

the fact you say that makes me wonder if you ever played a sport. Yes, players train for games year round but training and playing in a big game are not even comparable. The anticipation and the nerves of playing in your 1st big game against a ranked opponent (especially for younger players) can cause mental mistake, shaky and tentative play and poor execution and that was evident from LS (especially their goalie) in the 1st period. And if you asked anyone that was there LS had the better of chance in the 2nd and 3rd... and I'm not saying they would of won hands down if they had 4 more games of experience but I think it would of been a much closer game either way[/quote]

RT...That is funny! Poor LS players, I hope their nerves will be okay next game. [/quote]



If that is what you got out of what I said then you are obviously not very intelligent either.. at any rate, it's not how you start, it's how you finish.. say hi to your gerbal for me

[Defensive Zone]

the fact you say that makes me wonder if you ever played a sport. Yes, players train for games year round but training and playing in a big game are not even comparable. The anticipation and the nerves of playing in your 1st big game against a ranked opponent (especially for younger players) can cause mental mistake, shaky and tentative play and poor execution and that was evident from LS (especially their goalie) in the 1st period. And if you asked anyone that was there LS had the better of chance in the 2nd and 3rd... and I'm not saying they would of won hands down if they had 4 more games of experience but I think it would of been a much closer game either way

RT...That is funny! Poor LS players, I hope their nerves will be okay next game.

If that is what you got out of what I said then you are obviously not very intelligent either.. at any rate, it's not how you start, it's how you finish.. say hi to your gerbal for me

What? Gerbals? Why are you talking about small mammals? Let's move on and talk about hockey!

[Sats81]

Yes, as several have mentioned, when a team isolates Kloos, LS will have a difficult time winning. Think very average LN teams have proved that the last 2 years in the section finals. LS needs their 2nd line to step up big time and Alex Harvey needs to play a lot better than he did and has recently for LS to go anywhere this yr. Teams are obviously gonna be much more aware and game plan more for Kloos this yr than the last 2, so its imperative Harvey and others step up if they wanna do anything.

[Sats81]

And yes, I will not be suprised to see Eagan come in there next week and hand it to them after their suprising loss to EP

[Rich Clarke]

It amazes me that otherwise intelligent people still fail to see the fallacy of judging a game by how the loser plays after falling behind badly. I agree that once the score was 4-0 the game was much more even. I also agree that Kloos was the best player on the ice. But it also was obvious that Edina is a speed team that controls a game by keeping the puck away from the opposition and creating opportunities. Once up 4-0, they started coasting and standing around--fairly common in pro sports let alone high school. Nonetheless, they maintained position and kept LS's puck possession to the outside, and forced LS to be happy with long shots. Even after the first half of the third period when Edina barely moved the puck out at all, they shook it off and regained control for the rest of the game, even outshooting the Cougars that period. The Best LS could do was tie a game 1-1 against a coasting team. It'll be interesting to see how the LS fans react when they are outscored 3-1 in the third period by Kennedy--after outscoring them 10-0 in the first two. Will Kennedy suddenly be the better team?[/i]

[RickyTicky]

[quote="Rich Clarke"]It amazes me that otherwise intelligent people still fail to see the fallacy of judging a game by how the loser plays after falling behind badly. I agree that once the score was 4-0 the game was much more even. I also agree that Kloos was the best player on the ice. But it also was obvious that Edina is a speed team that controls a game by keeping the puck away from the opposition and creating opportunities. Once up 4-0, they started coasting and standing around--fairly common in pro sports let alone high school. Nonetheless, they maintained position and kept LS's puck possession to the outside, and forced LS to be happy with long shots. Even after the first half of the third period when Edina barely moved the puck out at all, they shook it off and regained control for the rest of the game, even outshooting the Cougars that period. The Best LS could do was tie a game 1-1 against a coasting team. It'll be interesting to see how the LS fans react when they are outscored 3-1 in the third period by Kennedy--after outscoring them 10-0 in the first two. Will Kennedy suddenly be the better team?[/i][/quote]


I don't think anyone said LS was the better team.. I also highly doubt that Edina started "coasting" up only 4-0.. if it was 8-0, 7-0, even 6-0 I might believe that the coach might of told his players to ease up but these are high school kids that are all about scoring goals and racking up stats so to say they stopped trying and were coasting and standing around up only 4-0 early in the 2nd is ridiculous.. 4 goals on only 24 shots on a shakey goalie that was pulled.. No question Edina deserved to win but I think the 2 teams are much closer than the score indicated

[keepyourheadup]

If you watched closely, of those long shots being taken, Kloos managed to hit the goalie in the head 3 times and score from 10 feet in the second period alone. I agreed that Edina was the better team but when a defensemen kicks in a goal, they score from below the dot in the corner and with 5 seconds to go on the power play that 3-0 first period looks a little different. South even had a realistic chance to climb into this game in the second...Kloos set up a kid all alone in the slot and for some reason the kid froze and never even shot, eventually fell down, and then took a penalty about 180 feet from his own net. Edina pumps one in on the PP and its 5-1. South will have there struggles this year, much like past years, but to suggest that Edina let off the throttle is nonsense.

[Neuuman]

It amazes me that otherwise intelligent people still fail to see the fallacy of judging a game by how the loser plays after falling behind badly. I agree that once the score was 4-0 the game was much more even. I also agree that Kloos was the best player on the ice. But it also was obvious that Edina is a speed team that controls a game by keeping the puck away from the opposition and creating opportunities. Once up 4-0, they started coasting and standing around--fairly common in pro sports let alone high school. Nonetheless, they maintained position and kept LS's puck possession to the outside, and forced LS to be happy with long shots. Even after the first half of the third period when Edina barely moved the puck out at all, they shook it off and regained control for the rest of the game, even outshooting the Cougars that period. The Best LS could do was tie a game 1-1 against a coasting team. It'll be interesting to see how the LS fans react when they are outscored 3-1 in the third period by Kennedy--after outscoring them 10-0 in the first two. Will Kennedy suddenly be the better team?[/i]

It also amazes me that a team can play the first 18 minutes of their season and already people have determined what kind of team they are going to be. They play 25 regular season games for a reason. Let's let them get more than 51 minutes of hockey under their belt before we start assessing what they may or may not achieve. IMHO

[HappyHockeyFan]

Hey Eagan was ranked 4th according to somebody and they took a 1 goal loss even thought they outplayed and outshot EP by 20 shots and they got dropped to like 7th .. lol .. apparently ALOT rides on the first two games of the season..lol

[northwoods oldtimer]

It amazes me that otherwise intelligent people still fail to see the fallacy of judging a game by how the loser plays after falling behind badly. I agree that once the score was 4-0 the game was much more even. I also agree that Kloos was the best player on the ice. But it also was obvious that Edina is a speed team that controls a game by keeping the puck away from the opposition and creating opportunities. Once up 4-0, they started coasting and standing around--fairly common in pro sports let alone high school. Nonetheless, they maintained position and kept LS's puck possession to the outside, and forced LS to be happy with long shots. Even after the first half of the third period when Edina barely moved the puck out at all, they shook it off and regained control for the rest of the game, even outshooting the Cougars that period. The Best LS could do was tie a game 1-1 against a coasting team. It'll be interesting to see how the LS fans react when they are outscored 3-1 in the third period by Kennedy--after outscoring them 10-0 in the first two. Will Kennedy suddenly be the better team?[/i]

It amazes me that a fan has to write a paragraph making excuses for his team losing 5 - 1. You LOST 5- 1!

[Jimbo99]

It also amazes me that a team can play the first 18 minutes of their season and already people have determined what kind of team they are going to be. They play 25 regular season games for a reason. Let's let them get more than 51 minutes of hockey under their belt before we start assessing what they may or may not achieve. IMHO

Amen.

[RickyTicky]

Northwoods, that paragraph you quoted was some dumb Edina fan justifying his teams win and stating that after the first period when the game was more even it was because Edina stopped trying.. Great story, compelling and rich

[edinahornetkid24]

A 5-1 loss to a less than special Edina team doesn't help their resume..

[Rich Clarke]

Some dumb Edina fan? Listen smart guy, a team winning 5-1 need not "justify" winning. It was no contest. Feel better about playing well when the other team is up by four, but still failing to do more than score a single goal with possibly the state's best player. Those kinds of moral victories are what makes teams fall flat year after year in the state's weakest section. If the team shares your attitude ( I truly hope they don't because I have no problem with Lakeville South) they'll be a two and out team if they do reach state. Hopefully they 'll ignore your advice and actually expect more out of themselves than tying a rebuilding team over the course of 30 minutes or so. As for dumb, I'll put my academic and professional success over the past 51 years against your's sight unseen. You seem like the type of person who can't argue his point effectively so he has to resort to name calling from within the anonymous safety of the internet. Disagree with me and others with reasoned argument, and avoid the hysteria.

[keepyourheadup]

Solid post Rich, I agree with most of it but lets just remember it was ONE game. The Wild got smoked at home 5-2 twice in a week and we didn't right them off. Edina clearly looked to be the better team but lets let it play out. South is a team that could go either way...there is some talent there, it will come down to putting it together.

[Rich Clarke]

Solid post Rich, I agree with most of it but lets just remember it was ONE game. The Wild got smoked at home 5-2 twice in a week and we didn't right them off. Edina clearly looked to be the better team but lets let it play out. South is a team that could go either way...there is some talent there, it will come down to putting it together.

No doubt. I hope the team gels around Kloos and is formidable by March. It'd be nice to see a new program make some noise, especially out of section one. State was a lot more exciting in the 1980s when Burnsville dominated that section and were always a state threat. Maybe South and grow into such a program.

[RickyTicky]

[quote="Rich Clarke"]Some dumb Edina fan? Listen smart guy, a team winning 5-1 need not "justify" winning. It was no contest. Feel better about playing well when the other team is up by four, but still failing to do more than score a single goal with possibly the state's best player. Those kinds of moral victories are what makes teams fall flat year after year in the state's weakest section. If the team shares your attitude ( I truly hope they don't because I have no problem with Lakeville South) they'll be a two and out team if they do reach state. Hopefully they 'll ignore your advice and actually expect more out of themselves than tying a rebuilding team over the course of 30 minutes or so. As for dumb, I'll put my academic and professional success over the past 51 years against your's sight unseen. You seem like the type of person who can't argue his point effectively so he has to resort to name calling from within the anonymous safety of the internet. Disagree with me and others with reasoned argument, and avoid the hysteria.[/quote]


I agree 100%, a winning team need not "justify" a win.. but that is exactly what you did. When I simply argued the undeniable fact that the game was much closer after the 1st period (LS outshot Edina the last 2 periods) and after they got their shakey goalie, that gave up 5 goals on 24 shots, out of the nets it actually was a pretty even game. The reason I say dumb is because I question and highly doubt your logic that the only reason the game was much more even after the 1st period was because Edina "stopped skating" and was "coasting" as if they stopped trying after the 1st period which is just ridiculous. You even went as far as comparing it to being up 10-1 on Kennedy in the 3rd period.. Really? As I have stated before, Edina deserved to win the game, no doubt about it.. They played 3 periods while LS played 2 and they took advantage of their oppurtunities and shaky goaltending. All I was arguing is you can't write off a team because they had a bad 1st period of their 1st game of the year (and yes, having 4 games of experience is an advantage). I apologize for the dumb comment, that was out of line, I just thought your explanation is far fetched. At any rate, I think its time to drop this whole thing and see how the season plays out.. Maybe if we are lucky we can see a rematch at state and see how it plays out then

[keepyourheadup]

Truth is South might be that program right know if it could keep kids at home. Burnsville seems to rarely lose kids and the current Eagan group all stuck it out. Losing two kids to the NDTP certainly hasn't enhanced this groups chances any. I realize this goes on all over but for some reason Lakeville seems to take it on the chin particularly hard.

[Defensive Zone]

Truth is South might be that program right know if it could keep kids at home. Burnsville seems to rarely lose kids and the current Eagan group all stuck it out. Losing two kids to the NDTP certainly hasn't enhanced this groups chances any. I realize this goes on all over but for some reason Lakeville seems to take it on the chin particularly hard.

Why do players tend to leave South?

[observer]

Seems like one kid has left Lakeville South, Osterberg.

Can we shut this topic down for a few weeks until 6-8-10 games have been played.

[keepyourheadup]

Good idea, lets just wait and see.....
Kyle Osterberg.....NDTP U18's...played LS bantams
Clint Lewis....NDTP U17's...played bantams for LS
Eric Rutt...LN top D..played LS bantams

[Sats81]

Kids leave LS the same reason they left LN in the past. Because the coaching is less than stellar. Period. Keepyourheadup-def wouldnt say Eric Rutt is a huge loss for LS.

[Defensive Zone]

Kids leave LS the same reason they left LN in the past. Because the coaching is less than stellar. Period. Keepyourheadup-def wouldnt say Eric Rutt is a huge loss for LS.

My understanding also is that there were 3 second year Bantams that left this year. One is playing Varsity for Lakeville North; the other two are playing LN Bantams and Prior Lake Bantams. Something is in the water!

[keepyourheadup]

Fair enough Sats, just another example is all. My guess is the guy in charge is about done, whats Lakeville without a little more controversy

[Sats81]

keepyourheadup-Are you saying LS Head coach is about done?