Class A 2011-2012 Pre-season Rankings

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:36 am

1.Hibbing
Hermantown
Breck
Little Falls
STA
St. Paul Johnson
Fergus Falls
St. Cloud Cathedral
East Grand Forks
10.Providence Academy

Others-
Totino Grace
Blake
Rochester Lourdes
Mahtomedi
Rogers
Thief River Falls
Warroad

Trending down-
Duluth Centfeld
Duluth Marshall (Both bring back very little from average teams)

eastsideguy · Post by **eastsideguy** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:51 am

MrBoDangles wrote:1.Hibbing
Hermantown
Breck
Little Falls
STA
St. Paul Johnson
Fergus Falls
St. Cloud Cathedral
East Grand Forks
10.Providence Academy

Others-
Totino Grace
Blake
Rochester Lourdes
Mahtomedi
Rogers
Thief River Falls
Warroad

Trending down-
Duluth Centfeld
Duluth Marshall (Both bring back very little from average teams)

Grace will be a top 5 team

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:03 am

eastsideguy wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:1.Hibbing
Hermantown
Breck
Little Falls
STA
St. Paul Johnson
Fergus Falls
St. Cloud Cathedral
East Grand Forks
10.Providence Academy

Others-
Totino Grace
Blake
Rochester Lourdes
Mahtomedi
Rogers
Thief River Falls
Warroad

Trending down-
Duluth Centfeld
Duluth Marshall (Both bring back very little from average teams)

Grace will be a top 5 team

With Fust, Heck, and Schlagel gone?

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:14 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:1.Hibbing
Hermantown
Breck
Little Falls
STA
St. Paul Johnson
Fergus Falls
St. Cloud Cathedral
East Grand Forks
10.Providence Academy

Others-
Totino Grace
Blake
Rochester Lourdes
Mahtomedi
Rogers
Thief River Falls
Warroad

Trending down-
Duluth Centfeld
Duluth Marshall (Both bring back very little from average teams)

You really, trully, honestly believe the Govies will be rated that high? Wishful thinking, mate? They will be decent but the hole in nets is a massive question mark.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 7:02 pm

Govie wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:1.Hibbing
Hermantown
Breck
Little Falls
STA
St. Paul Johnson
Fergus Falls
St. Cloud Cathedral
East Grand Forks
10.Providence Academy

Others-
Totino Grace
Blake
Rochester Lourdes
Mahtomedi
Rogers
Thief River Falls
Warroad

Trending down-
Duluth Centfeld
Duluth Marshall (Both bring back very little from average teams)
You really, trully, honestly believe the Govies will be rated that high? Wishful thinking, mate? They will be decent but the hole in nets is a massive question mark.

They will be right up there...... They will have the scoring punch to be on the right side of games even if the tending is so so.

It is pretty impressive how they did this year from how little scoring they brought back from 09-10. (info from Hockey Hub) Next year they bring back the majority of the team, including the top five scorers.

Just my opinion (rankings)...........

Govie · Post by **Govie** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:41 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:
Govie wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:1.Hibbing
Hermantown
Breck
Little Falls
STA
St. Paul Johnson
Fergus Falls
St. Cloud Cathedral
East Grand Forks
10.Providence Academy

Others-
Totino Grace
Blake
Rochester Lourdes
Mahtomedi
Rogers
Thief River Falls
Warroad

Trending down-
Duluth Centfeld
Duluth Marshall (Both bring back very little from average teams)
You really, trully, honestly believe the Govies will be rated that high? Wishful thinking, mate? They will be decent but the hole in nets is a massive question mark.
They will be right up there...... They will have the scoring punch to be on the right side of games even if the tending is so so.

It is pretty impressive how they did this year from how little scoring they brought back from 09-10. (info from Hockey Hub) Next year they bring back the majority of the team, including the top five scorers.

Just my opinion (rankings)...........

Well, enjoy it, mate. This could be close to the end of the program in the very soon future.

Plus, the Tri-Metro is a wicked tough league with all the privates, not the least of which is Blake and Breck.

But I hope you're right because I'm an alum and maroon and white through and through. Almost got the LEX tatted on my arm.

I will be at several games next year to follow the squad.

puckster15 · Post by **puckster15** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:19 pm

MrBodangles rips STA in all of his other posts, says they should play AA because they walk right through the A tournament but then ranks STA 5th in this thread.

What is it MrBo? Get your story straight.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:50 pm

puckster15 wrote:MrBodangles rips STA in all of his other posts, says they should play AA because they walk right through the A tournament but then ranks STA 5th in this thread.

What is it MrBo? Get your story straight.

They've been the overwhelming favorite to win the A title the last four years.

The vast majority of respectable AA teams would not crack the top 5 in A next year.

It's about not milking the system.

Are you part of the staff that's trying to keep down the STA rebels that want to move up?

Straight as an arrow......

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:32 am

Goldy23 wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:We could see a final similar to this year's:
-Hermantown is losing only 5 seniors, although one is their goalie, their #2 in scoring will be back.
-St Thomas is only losing 9 seniors, top 4 leading scorers are seniors, but their goalies both have two more years.
-Breck only has 5 seniors on their roster.
-Warroad only 6.
-Hibbing only 5.

Crazy how young some of the best teams are.
This was supposed to be a down year for the Mustangs. Of Breck's 5 seniors, 2 of them are the backup goalies, one defensemen and 2 forwards. They have their starting goalie, 5 of the D are back and their top seven scorers are all returning. Hard not to have them ranked #1 in my book.

That is the most idiotic statement you have made since getting on this forum. Are you just assuming that there are not other teams playing in class a in the state? Hermantown will be way better than Breck next year..way better. IF your goalie and 3 of your D weren't back I would consider ranking you #2

puckster15 · Post by **puckster15** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:43 am

Nice avoiding the question MrBoDangles.

You rank STA #5. You say that the A tournament is a joke, now you are saying that many AA teams can't beat the top five A teams that you have ranked. Classic.

If that is the case, then STA should stay where they are. Especially since your own words rank them #5 and that the four teams ahead of them can beat a bunch of AA teams.

Seems like STA made the right choice.

Looks easy from here · Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:55 pm

You can't rate STA yet you don't know who's going to be on the team.

MNpuck14 · Post by **MNpuck14** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:03 pm

can't wait for next season to watch STA ruin the state tournament... again.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:38 pm

puckster15 wrote:Nice avoiding the question MrBoDangles.

You rank STA #5. You say that the A tournament is a joke, now you are saying that many AA teams can't beat the top five A teams that you have ranked. Classic.

If that is the case, then STA should stay where they are. Especially since your own words rank them #5 and that the four teams ahead of them can beat a bunch of AA teams.

Seems like STA made the right choice.

You are all alone in not understanding the post..... Next year Centennial could possibly be ranked at five if they were in class A. Holy Angels could be a 10. The fact IS, is that these teams are playing at the proper level for their skill.

Hill Murray has won a AA championship about once every 10-12 years. Should they drop down since they have a lower student population and STEAL all of STA's chances away???? Be plastic trophy collectors? They would never dream of it, because they don't want to be the lesser's that the STA program represents.

I just want the faculty cowards to move up.... And you keep wanting to be the jackhammer to bring down the STA Hockey program.

EHSHack · Post by **EHSHack** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:43 pm

MNpuck14 wrote:can't wait for next season to watch STA ruin the state tournament... again.

How is Hibbing beating Thief River Falls in the State Championship next year STA ruining things?

puckster15 · Post by **puckster15** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:25 pm

Nobody in this entire thread ranks STA #1. Some as low as 6th. It seems that STA made the right decision staying single A. Everyone here thinks they will have some good competition.

I would not even rank STA higher than 7th. They will have huge holes to fill on offense and they don't have the horsepower at the JV level to fill the gaps.

Looks like no trophy hunting for STA next year.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:55 pm

puckster15 wrote:Nobody in this entire thread ranks STA #1. Some as low as 6th. It seems that STA made the right decision staying single A. Everyone here thinks they will have some good competition.

I would not even rank STA higher than 7th. They will have huge holes to fill on offense and they don't have the horsepower at the JV level to fill the gaps.

Looks like no trophy hunting for STA next year.

As low as 7th?

puckster15 · Post by **puckster15** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:07 pm

As high as 7th, even that could be debated.

Goldy23 · Post by **Goldy23** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:45 pm

flatontheice wrote:
Goldy23 wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:We could see a final similar to this year's:
-Hermantown is losing only 5 seniors, although one is their goalie, their #2 in scoring will be back.
-St Thomas is only losing 9 seniors, top 4 leading scorers are seniors, but their goalies both have two more years.
-Breck only has 5 seniors on their roster.
-Warroad only 6.
-Hibbing only 5.

Crazy how young some of the best teams are.
This was supposed to be a down year for the Mustangs. Of Breck's 5 seniors, 2 of them are the backup goalies, one defensemen and 2 forwards. They have their starting goalie, 5 of the D are back and their top seven scorers are all returning. Hard not to have them ranked #1 in my book.
That is the most idiotic statement you have made since getting on this forum. Are you just assuming that there are not other teams playing in class a in the state? Hermantown will be way better than Breck next year..way better. IF your goalie and 3 of your D weren't back I would consider ranking you #2

WOW! That's something coming from a guy as wise as you!

Ok. While I'll admit that last line about the goalie and 3 D is kind of funny, I'll go out on a limb once again and predict* that Breck will:

Start the Season #1 or #2 and will stay there throughout the regular season.

Will win 21 or more games

Will make it to State for a 4th consecutive year and be a top 2 seed.

*this assumes that Rudnick doesn't bolt to Fargo and the Iversons stay

No disrespect to the other teams in Class A and certainly not to Hermantown who no doubt will be great again next year, but Breck has more skilled impact players coming back than anyone else in the class. And that's not to mention the fact that they seem to magically come up with a few new impact players every year (I know... A whole other can of worms!)

Flat-You've got to admit, you've been wrong on Breck for 3+ years (and if you won't admit it, check your past posts). What should make next year any different?

MNHockey75 · Post by **MNHockey75** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:16 am

puckster15 wrote:It seems that STA made the right decision staying single A. Everyone here thinks they will have some good competition.

So...just because they aren't the #1 team in class A on March 17th means they made the right to decision to stay?

DotaDangler · Post by **DotaDangler** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:54 am

puckster15 wrote:Nobody in this entire thread ranks STA #1. Some as low as 6th. It seems that STA made the right decision staying single A. Everyone here thinks they will have some good competition.

I would not even rank STA higher than 7th. They will have huge holes to fill on offense and they don't have the horsepower at the JV level to fill the gaps.

Looks like no trophy hunting for STA next year.

So what are you saying? If they win they are trophy hunting, but if they lose they are right were they belong?

I hope you had a few St. Pattys Jameson shots in you when wrote this, because it is the dumbest post I have read in a while.

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:10 am

Goldy23 wrote:
flatontheice wrote:
Goldy23 wrote: This was supposed to be a down year for the Mustangs. Of Breck's 5 seniors, 2 of them are the backup goalies, one defensemen and 2 forwards. They have their starting goalie, 5 of the D are back and their top seven scorers are all returning. Hard not to have them ranked #1 in my book.
That is the most idiotic statement you have made since getting on this forum. Are you just assuming that there are not other teams playing in class a in the state? Hermantown will be way better than Breck next year..way better. IF your goalie and 3 of your D weren't back I would consider ranking you #2
WOW! That's something coming from a guy as wise as you! :wink: Ok. While I'll admit that last line about the goalie and 3 D is kind of funny, I'll go out on a limb once again and predict* that Breck will:

Start the Season #1 or #2 and will stay there throughout the regular season.

Will win 21 or more games

Will make it to State for a 4th consecutive year and be a top 2 seed.

*this assumes that Rudnick doesn't bolt to Fargo and the Iversons stay

No disrespect to the other teams in Class A and certainly not to Hermantown who no doubt will be great again next year, but Breck has more skilled impact players coming back than anyone else in the class. And that's not to mention the fact that they seem to magically come up with a few new impact players every year (I know... A whole other can of worms!)

Flat-You've got to admit, you've been wrong on Breck for 3+ years (and if you won't admit it, check your past posts). What should make next year any different?

Goldie-Your way off on this one, as STA will be far more talented than Breck next year (no disrespect):

1) STA
2) Hermantown
3) Hibbing
4) Breck
5) Mahtomedi

Goldy23 · Post by **Goldy23** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:03 pm

Flyer - Have to agree to disagree on this one. I'm sure that STA will be good again next year but I'm having a hard time seeing where they are going to replace the 90 (2/3 of all regular season goals) goals scored this year? My assumption is that both Breck and STA will have some solid kids come into the programs but STA simply has to replace so much more than Breck does next year.

STA is losing 90 regular season goals vs Breck's 19
STA has 45 goals coming back Breck's 147!
STA is losing 9 Senior Skaters vs Breck's 3
STA is losing its top 4 points leaders who accounted for half of the points they scored vs Breck returning it's top 8 scorers.

Sorry, while I can buy an argument about Hermantown being ranked as high or higher than Breck I just can't make a case for STA being #1. Will they be good? For sure. Do they look like the best team coming back? Not in my opinion but we will see.

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:31 pm

Goldy23 wrote:
flatontheice wrote:
Goldy23 wrote: This was supposed to be a down year for the Mustangs. Of Breck's 5 seniors, 2 of them are the backup goalies, one defensemen and 2 forwards. They have their starting goalie, 5 of the D are back and their top seven scorers are all returning. Hard not to have them ranked #1 in my book.
That is the most idiotic statement you have made since getting on this forum. Are you just assuming that there are not other teams playing in class a in the state? Hermantown will be way better than Breck next year..way better. IF your goalie and 3 of your D weren't back I would consider ranking you #2
WOW! That's something coming from a guy as wise as you! Ok. While I'll admit that last line about the goalie and 3 D is kind of funny, I'll go out on a limb once again and predict* that Breck will:

Start the Season #1 or #2 and will stay there throughout the regular season.

Will win 21 or more games

Will make it to State for a 4th consecutive year and be a top 2 seed.

*this assumes that Rudnick doesn't bolt to Fargo and the Iversons stay

No disrespect to the other teams in Class A and certainly not to Hermantown who no doubt will be great again next year, but Breck has more skilled impact players coming back than anyone else in the class. And that's not to mention the fact that they seem to magically come up with a few new impact players every year (I know... A whole other can of worms!)

Flat-You've got to admit, you've been wrong on Breck for 3+ years (and if you won't admit it, check your past posts). What should make next year any different?

Fair enough. But Hermantown actually returns alot more "skilled and Impact" players than Breck. Not even close.

#1.) Rudnick is no longer on Fargo's affiliate list so he will be back.
#2.) At least 1 of your "impact" players is not returning next year..I wont tell you who yet.
#3.) Larson will still be your coach.
#4.) I was wrong on Breck last 2 years. Not this past year. They were a very average team. Got hot at the right time. Only beat 4 teams with a winning record.
#5.) Who are the "skilled" and "impact" players coming back besides Rudnick, Anderle, and Opperman?
#6.) Les is still your coach.
#7.) Can't win in March without goaltending.
#8.) Larson is still your coach.

puckster15 · Post by **puckster15** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:22 pm

Dotadangler that is my point, this whole thread is dumb. Everybody complaining that STA is trophy hunting and should move up to AA. Then on this thread nobody is saying they will come back next year as #1, most rate STA in the range of 4-6th.

I don't think they were trophy hunting, and I think they will be top 10 next year in A. Thus I believe they belong in A. I am in the minority though.

puckster15 · Post by **puckster15** » Fri Mar 18, 2011 5:26 pm

Goldy23 you nailed it. STA loses the scoring punch. Crandell, Isaccson, Reid, Kroska and Schroeder scored a ton over last two years. They don't have that talent left. I don't see it at JV either.

I don't see them making it out of sections next year.