White Bear vs. Mounds View

1parent · Post by **1parent** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:47 am

Also heard that MV's top scorer did not play?

mnpuckster · Post by **mnpuckster** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:09 am

I think that all of us WBL fans have to just realize that the program and the youth programs are not producing the talent that they once did....Its going to be a stretch of mediocre hockey teams, and maybe, WBL will never be the same hockey team again.....Sad but true

As for tongiht....2 soft goals? Was it Schletty?

Question For Goldy, I have been criticizing Sager and his staff for years, many times having nothing to do with hockey....Can you elaborate on why the biggest WBL fan on this board lost faith in the coaching staff tonight??

Anyways, this team does have some talent, and I hope they can turn things around and start playing WBL hockey..
GO BEARS

Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:22 am

mnpuckster wrote:I think that all of us WBL fans have to just realize that the program and the youth programs are not producing the talent that they once did....Its going to be a stretch of mediocre hockey teams, and maybe, WBL will never be the same hockey team again.....Sad but true

As for tongiht....2 soft goals? Was it Schletty?

Question For Goldy, I have been criticizing Sager and his staff for years, many times having nothing to do with hockey....Can you elaborate on why the biggest WBL fan on this board lost faith in the coaching staff tonight??
Anyways, this team does have some talent, and I hope they can turn things around and start playing WBL hockey..
GO BEARS

I don't know who the biggest WBL fan is on this board, so you will have to ask them..... I don't know if SuperFan George has a user name here!!

If you're referring to me, then until I can air my displeasure directly to the staff (if they were men enough to talk to me, versus avoiding me), no comments will be made here, other than the fact that my personal feelings of respect and support are long gone.

Michael Jordan was in nets for WBL.

mnpuckster · Post by **mnpuckster** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:17 am

If you're referring to me, then until I can air my displeasure directly to the staff (if they were men enough to talk to me, versus avoiding me), no comments will be made here, other than the fact that my personal feelings of respect and support are long gone.

Michael Jordan was in nets for WBL.[/quote]

fair enough

wblhockeyfan8 · Post by **wblhockeyfan8** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:39 am

ilikesports22 wrote:pts for mv... Lavalle 1st goal, Messerly 2nd goal, Mauricio 3rd goal..

there were no threats to wolter at all that is such a joke

There was a cheap shot on him at center ice that left him skating slow to the bench.
There was also a good amount of after the whistle-extra curriculars.

formerlybackofnet · Post by **formerlybackofnet** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:43 am

WBL outplayed MV all night, the puck just wouldn't go in the net for them. It's just one of those loses you have to accept, it happens. I will give MV credit for playing the body extremly well, and keeping WB's speed down. I hope WB can rebound on Sat. for the Stillwater game.

Edwardo · Post by **Edwardo** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:38 am

Goldy, I don't know your situation, but what I do know is that I am personally tired of you trying to make the goalies look bad. Scheletty played a good game against Hill. Considering how many times he was hung out to dry with break aways and odd man rushes, if I recollect 4 out of 5 goals were odd man or break away. Hill is a great team.
Jordan played a good game last night and the first goal defected off of the D. The 2nd was deflected in front of the net and the third was a power play. Give credit where credit is due, MV blocked a tremendous amount of shots and closed the lanes brilliantly. They played good and WB had a hard time putting the puck in the net. It happens. So what ever your bitter about, it obviously has nothing to do with the goalies, if your mad at the staff keep your comments to the staff. Personally I think the team is struggling as a TEAM. But the staff always seams to bring the team together by the end of the season, remember the staff can't play the game they can only teach. It is up to the athletes to execute what there taught. Please work on your tunnel vision!!!!

BodyShots · Post by **BodyShots** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:48 am

Edwardo wrote:Goldy, I don't know your situation, but what I do know is that I am personally tired of you trying to make the goalies look bad. Scheletty played a good game against Hill. Considering how many times he was hung out to dry with break aways and odd man rushes, if I recollect 4 out of 5 goals were odd man or break away. Hill is a great team.
Jordan played a good game last night and the first goal defected off of the D. The 2nd was deflected in front of the net and the third was a power play. Give credit where credit is due, MV blocked a tremendous amount of shots and closed the lanes brilliantly. They played good and WB had a hard time putting the puck in the net. It happens. So what ever your bitter about, it obviously has nothing to do with the goalies, if your mad at the staff keep your comments to the staff. Personally I think the team is struggling as a TEAM. But the staff always seams to bring the team together by the end of the season, remember the staff can't play the game they can only teach. It is up to the athletes to execute what there taught. Please work on your tunnel vision!!!!

Ed, I don't see where GFD bashed any of the goalies. It sounds like he is not happy with the coaching.

I don't see goaltending being the problem. It looks to be a lack of offense. DE - 1 goal, HM - Shut out, and MV - 2 goals.

Losing to MV....Oh boy

Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:10 am

Edwardo wrote:Goldy, I don't know your situation, but what I do know is that I am personally tired of you trying to make the goalies look bad. Scheletty played a good game against Hill. Considering how many times he was hung out to dry with break aways and odd man rushes, if I recollect 4 out of 5 goals were odd man or break away. Hill is a great team.
Jordan played a good game last night and the first goal defected off of the D. The 2nd was deflected in front of the net and the third was a power play. Give credit where credit is due, MV blocked a tremendous amount of shots and closed the lanes brilliantly. They played good and WB had a hard time putting the puck in the net. It happens. So what ever your bitter about, it obviously has nothing to do with the goalies, if your mad at the staff keep your comments to the staff. Personally I think the team is struggling as a TEAM. But the staff always seams to bring the team together by the end of the season, remember the staff can't play the game they can only teach. It is up to the athletes to execute what there taught. Please work on your tunnel vision!!!!

Thank you for understanding...

Edwardo · Post by **Edwardo** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:12 am

Body shots, I understand he is upset with the staff, I don't have a problem with that, but if you look at Goldy's past post's that pertain to the games, every post has negative goalie comments almost like he is looking for the goalies to fail? Here are some of his comments.

"It was either a PP goal, or right after the PP expired, but it was a not a very good goal scored. "
"Halfway thru second Period, Mounds View 1-0 on a soft goal."
"meaning Schletty had 13 Saves on 16 shots." that is a few of them.

I might be wrong but that is how it appears to me.

Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:21 am

Edwardo wrote:Body shots, I understand he is upset with the staff, I don't have a problem with that, but if you look at Goldy's past post's that pertain to the games, every post has negative goalie comments almost like he is looking for the goalies to fail? Here are some of his comments.

"It was either a PP goal, or right after the PP expired, but it was a not a very good goal scored. "
"Halfway thru second Period, Mounds View 1-0 on a soft goal."
"meaning Schletty had 13 Saves on 16 shots." that is a few of them. I might be wrong but that is how it appears to me.

Why didn't you include the fact that I said WBL got only "15 shots on East on a bigger sheet of ice, with the supposed speed," the same game Schletty got 16 shots? or any of the comments like:

The reality is as of now, teams like East and Hill are just better than WBL. This team will struggle versus games like St. Thomas, Woodbury, Stillwater IF THEY ARE NOT PREPARED TO PLAY THEIR BEST HOCKEY.

In games like this, when I say the difference between Hill having absolute confidence, and WBL having hesitant confidence was clearly shown. WBL had chances to score on Shaunessy, but his belly looked bigger than it actually is, whereas his jock strap should have been in one corner, while the puck was in the back of the net.

The kids that have tremendous talent, ingenuity with the puck and the skill to MAKE plays - you guys know who you are - you have to stop shooting in the breadbasket and use your ability.

Just defending myself... These are student/athletes - not professionals - and it's up to ANY coach, not just WBL, not just Hill, not just the St. Paul Saints....to get the best out of its talent. Every program has its supporters and its critics. I know these kids are giving their best.

The critics on this forum only offend the readers ON ANY THREAD ON THIS FORUM. If my criticsm, or my blatant "being the biggest WBL fan" affects the play of the players, or affects the coaching staff, then the problem doesn't lie within me. I shouldn't be the one motivating the players.. I shouldn't be the one teaching the system.

As a former sports editor and columnist, I can only offer opinions based on what I see, offer comments based on my experiences as an athlete, and based on human psychology, no different than what other people offer for other teams, other sports or whether religious or political.

I don't sugarcoat...

Edwardo · Post by **Edwardo** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:29 am

Goldy, all I am saying is that I realize that you are bitter with the coaches, I don't know what happened, or why. But you appear to be a very angry negative person. If the team played bad but the goalie played good that state that. A soft goal is a soft goal, I will tell you right not that the Hill game could have easily been 10 - 0 if it wasn't for Schellety, and Jordan made allot of key saves last night to keep them in the game. Just Say-in.

Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:40 am

Edwardo wrote:Goldy, all I am saying is that I realize that you are bitter with the coaches, I don't know what happened, or why. But you appear to be a very angry negative person. If the team played bad but the goalie played good that state that. A soft goal is a soft goal, I will tell you right not that the Hill game could have easily been 10 - 0 if it wasn't for Schellety, and Jordan made allot of key saves last night to keep them in the game. Just Say-in.

Your opinion is noted and respected.

Edwardo · Post by **Edwardo** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:43 am

Goldy, You must be an alright dude, it is obvious you are well liked and can take constructive criticism. Good for you.

Goldfishdude · Post by **Goldfishdude** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:40 am

Edwardo wrote:Goldy, You must be an alright dude, it is obvious you are well liked and can take constructive criticism. Good for you.

I personally don't know or care if I am well-liked. If I am respected, then I am respected.

I am the one who has to look at the mirror in the morning, and deal with what I see.

If I can get past that vision every morning, if someone has constructive critiscm for me, then I will try to handle it with as much class as I can. That's all I can ask out of myself, and try to teach the same things onto my children.

I had to edit this post.... Something was brought to my attention... I also made a post about Cloquet's goalie gave up 8 goals on 26 shots = 69% save %. Not good.. 13 saves on 16 shots is a fact. I point out facts. Good or bad. No matter the team.

Translate that to QBs on a football team. Unfortunately, a goalie is looked at the same way...... How many interceptions or how many goals scored against. The goalies are the ones who get judged the harshest. A fan doesn't necessarily see who was on the ice when a goal was scored, or what player at center ice got beat for a 2 on 1...

Go Bears!!

mnpuckster · Post by **mnpuckster** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:20 pm

lets call a spade a spade edwardo....2 soft goals, and a total of 3 goals on 15 shots....not a good night for the goaltender. It wasnt all the goalie's fault, but it also wasnt one of his best games played. I think Sager needs to find a goalie and stick with it coming up in January, and it seems to me like Schletty should be the guy.

Now to the coaches......What happened to Butters coaching the D-men. Now you have Chris Anderson(a former WBL player) to coach this poor excuse for a defensive core. I dont know why Butters is gone and why anderson is coaching, but the D havent looked this bad at WBL for years, and it may be due to Anderson's lack of experience coaching, and the fact that he is/was an extremely overrated player.

11 straight losses to your arch-rival calls for a new head coach. Beating Hill is only second in importance to winnig the section title, thus, losing 11 straight to them calls for a change, no questions asked. People talk about him like he is some great coach, but really, what has he done?

Someone needs to plead with Hambly to come and try the Varsity job for a few years....It couldnt get any worse, as Sager has lost 11 STRAIGHT to Hill!!!!!

Sager has won about 3 "big games" since he has come to WBL, and lost about 15. Might be time for a change. When they won the Schwanns cup a few years back, I could have sworn he thought he won the state title. Jumping up and down like a fool for minutes. He needs to realize the Schwanns cup doesnt matter, beating Hill and going to state are the keys.
1-section title
2-beat Hill
3-SEC championship
in that order, and He seems like he cant accomplish any of this.

Edwardo · Post by **Edwardo** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:15 pm

Puckster,
I completely disagree, 2 out of 3 of those goals were deflected. You can hardly call that soft. That is calling a spade a spade. I have nothing to say about the coaching staff. But in general, if coaches are in-fact teaching at practice it is up to the players to use what they learned in a game. Coaches can only guide in a game and if the players don't listen than, how is that the coaches fault, can a coach teach desire and heart? absolutely not. They can however play the boys that have heart, more so than the ones that don't. It is alot easier to teach a kid with heart that wants to learn than it is a Pre-Madonna that won't listen. And if you have a team or a portion of a team that is thinks they are pre-madonnas it becomes a cancer and cancer spreads, so you have to put a stop to the cancer in order to move on or your dead. [/quote]

mnpuckster · Post by **mnpuckster** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:32 pm

Deflections, bounces, screens....it doesn' matter........3 goals on 15 shots....That is a poor game, no matter the bad breaks. At the varsity level you have to play better than that. So it may not have been his fault for the loss, but he didnt WIN the game. His team outplayed and outshot MV 2-1, and still lost the game. This falls on the goaltender. Fair or not, in the game of hockey, it comes down to poor goaltending play. Why not give the Jr. on JV a shot at a varsity game, and see what happens. Jordan doesnt seem to be the answer. Hopefully it will be Schletty against the Ponies on saturday night......

1parent · Post by **1parent** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:21 pm

So many peope get caught up in the who out shot who. What ever happen to the quality of shots? You may out shoot someone 2-1 but what if most of the shots came from the blue line and half boards and the other team had most of their shots right in the slot area?

mnhockey1010 · Post by **mnhockey1010** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:07 am

i was at this game and from what i saw white bear dominated the entire game MV just got some lucky bounces shots were 30-10 in favor of white bear, white bear has alot of scoring power with the first line of birkinbine, wolter, wahlin they have had a rough week but will bounce back quick and start to win games again.

mnhockey1010 · Post by **mnhockey1010** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:19 am

just wait until white bear plays this moundsview team at home. wb never play good at that ice box in shoreview but wait wb is at home in aldrich arena ill take wb-8 mv-1
scoring
wolter
jansen
birkinbine
wahlin
and some D

dubya44 · Post by **dubya44** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:51 am

Edwardo wrote:Puckster,
I completely disagree, 2 out of 3 of those goals were deflected. You can hardly call that soft. That is calling a spade a spade. I have nothing to say about the coaching staff. But in general, if coaches are in-fact teaching at practice it is up to the players to use what they learned in a game. Coaches can only guide in a game and if the players don't listen than, how is that the coaches fault, can a coach teach desire and heart? absolutely not. They can however play the boys that have heart, more so than the ones that don't. It is alot easier to teach a kid with heart that wants to learn than it is a Pre-Madonna that won't listen. And if you have a team or a portion of a team that is thinks they are pre-madonnas it becomes a cancer and cancer spreads, so you have to put a stop to the cancer in order to move on or your dead.

[/quote]

Edwardo. Are you hinting that Sager isn't playing the right guys and that they kids that are playing are a bunch of pre-madonnas? Just curious.

wblhockeyfan8 · Post by **wblhockeyfan8** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:46 am

dubya44 wrote:
Edwardo wrote:Puckster,
I completely disagree, 2 out of 3 of those goals were deflected. You can hardly call that soft. That is calling a spade a spade. I have nothing to say about the coaching staff. But in general, if coaches are in-fact teaching at practice it is up to the players to use what they learned in a game. Coaches can only guide in a game and if the players don't listen than, how is that the coaches fault, can a coach teach desire and heart? absolutely not. They can however play the boys that have heart, more so than the ones that don't. It is alot easier to teach a kid with heart that wants to learn than it is a Pre-Madonna that won't listen. And if you have a team or a portion of a team that is thinks they are pre-madonnas it becomes a cancer and cancer spreads, so you have to put a stop to the cancer in order to move on or your dead.

Edwardo. Are you hinting that Sager isn't playing the right guys and that they kids that are playing are a bunch of pre-madonnas? Just curious.[/quote]

I'd like to know that too?

GordonBombay · Post by **GordonBombay** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:04 pm

I think the Pre-Madonna thing could possibly be players on the team thinking they are better than they actually are just simply because they play for White Bear. They may have heart and they may play hard, but maybe there's just always the part of their ego that thinks they are better than your Mounds Views, Forest Lakes, Parks, etc. just because they are a Bear. I mean look at a few years ago (2003, 2005, etc), if WB played their game against a team like that, they would win almost everytime. It's because they had the talent. Now you lower the talent level for them (like this year), other teams gain more than they had in the past, and you get a game just like Thursday.

Maybe the WB players just need to realize the talent isn't there like it was in the past, and that means more hard work as well as dedication. We all know it....."Hardwork beats talent when talent isn't working hard."

Hankya · Post by **Hankya** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:15 pm

All I can say on this one is "no way" . Sometimes things just dont turn out right.

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