rippin1 wrote: The A level is suppose to be the best players at that level not which players the parents or board members think are the best. If it were a fair process every association would hire outside evaluators and have them pick the teams.
Rippin1, not sure you are correct here. Outside evaluators tend to pick the kids who look flashiest, the kids who are big, or the kids that get lucky a couple of times in tryouts. Outside evaluators do not cull out the 'cement heads' (kids who take a lot of no-brainer penalties), the empty jerseys (flashy players that are scared to come anywhere close to the slot area or go in the corners), poor work ethics, attitude problems, or kids who are consistent problems in the locker room.
This is the dilemma with Minnesota association based hockey. Parents want things to be 'fair'...but in their desire to be 'fair', most teams end up being dysfunctional messes. Having people who know the kids, know their habits - good and bad, and know how to put a complete team together is the best way - whether they are an unbiased parent (yes, there are some of these), or a hockey director that works, watches, and develops the kids throughout the program.
I agree with you that the "dilemma" exists as you see it. I have always believed that at least part of the answer is in acknowledging everyone's bias and use a combined set of evaluators (from within and from outside the association) and give them equal weight. I think it would help keep everyone honest and would add some credibility to a process that often appears (and sometimes is) corrupt.
This is a good thing - they were not a good fit at NSP. sure they had there favorites, however they were not developing players. some people think a Non parents coach is good - can be - if they have experence, and know something about kids. These guys did not. they thought only matter was the win. so with that they sacrifice team development. and NSP is to small of a school to lack team develpment. They cannot whin in there confrence unless they have 3 fairy strong lines. these coaches did not want to develop 3 lines. Most non parent coaches do not want to develop a program, they ussually are only there for a short time, find a long term dedicated coach that lives and bleeds red and white. Thats why NSP is not improving. common sense !!
rippin1 wrote: The A level is suppose to be the best players at that level not which players the parents or board members think are the best. If it were a fair process every association would hire outside evaluators and have them pick the teams.
Rippin1, not sure you are correct here. Outside evaluators tend to pick the kids who look flashiest, the kids who are big, or the kids that get lucky a couple of times in tryouts. Outside evaluators do not cull out the 'cement heads' (kids who take a lot of no-brainer penalties), the empty jerseys (flashy players that are scared to come anywhere close to the slot area or go in the corners), poor work ethics, attitude problems, or kids who are consistent problems in the locker room.
This is the dilemma with Minnesota association based hockey. Parents want things to be 'fair'...but in their desire to be 'fair', most teams end up being dysfunctional messes. Having people who know the kids, know their habits - good and bad, and know how to put a complete team together is the best way - whether they are an unbiased parent (yes, there are some of these), or a hockey director that works, watches, and develops the kids throughout the program.
I agree with you that the "dilemma" exists as you see it. I have always believed that at least part of the answer is in acknowledging everyone's bias and use a combined set of evaluators (from within and from outside the association) and give them equal weight. I think it would help keep everyone honest and would add some credibility to a process that often appears (and sometimes is) corrupt.
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The key is hiring a the right coach (one that matches the majority of your Boards desire for direction). If you hire one that matches your associations goals then it works it way out.
I believe coaches should have a lot of autonomy in picking their teams during the try out process (they are the ones you hold accountable for the results wether it be wins vs losses, or development, etc) If they are the right ones, they will learn about the kids from watching, talking to them and their mates. If they don't know them they will surround themsevles with assistants, etc that will give them some guidance.
It all starts and stops with getting the right coach. If you hire them give them the autonomy to do their job while yet holding them accountable to the principles of your business (association).
Daulton911- We worked very hard with all the kids and worked with all three lines. We had three power play units and the kids that were less talented did sometimes not get all even ice time. But we worked hard for all the kids. How about those games were the first line only played one pierod like the whole Willmar tourney and Irondale and other games none of you parents ever said anything like thank you for extra ice.
None of you parents ever complain for another kid just your own.
YOU PARENTS ARE SELFISH AND RUIN A GREAT GAME. Further more the parents that were the biggest pain in the butt's all year don't even know how to skate. Or the game of hockey. How about a thank you for four non parent coaches that paid for there own hotel room, food, gas gave up 3 to 4 hours a night to work with all the kids. All the kids got even practice time and all the kids got plenty of 1 on 1 time.
Also we wanted to be there for a long time as I live in NSP and my kids will be playing there. We meet with the high school coach to try and start working in a program. At NSP and we where shot down.
We took a team that had won five games in last 3 season. We beat WBL we tied Stillwater we won plenty of good games.
If you think " sacrifice team development " why don't you ask the other "A" bantam coaches in our conference what they thought of us and our kids. Nothing but good comments is all you will hear.
But what the heck it is safe to post behind some name and no one knows who you are. You are a chump you know my name is Bryan Lenton "A" Bantam hockey coach. What is yours?