Bye Bye Johan...Mets and Twins agree to deal

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:31 pm

A near great trade for the Twins.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:45 pm

I wanted him in pinstripes so I am disappointed. I wish the Twins had gotten a little more, but I think they did good. Santana is going to light up the NL and that makes me happy.

With that said, why is that it seems like only every 3 posts is worth reading in this thread? There are many that I just look at the poster and skip over.

Indians forever · Post by **Indians forever** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:10 pm

Twins should of Recieved more, oh well. The Twins are screwed!!!! Anyone want to purchase my season ticks????

schwang17 · Post by **schwang17** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:25 pm

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:With that said, why is that it seems like only every 3 posts is worth reading in this thread? There are many that I just look at the poster and skip over.

We all can't be as cool as you, obviously...

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:44 pm

schwang17 wrote:
EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:With that said, why is that it seems like only every 3 posts is worth reading in this thread? There are many that I just look at the poster and skip over.

We all can't be as cool as you, obviously...

But we dream of it at night, or perhaps its just his college girl (or is it his mother!)!

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:24 pm

Deloris is not even 19 yet and is supposed to have a great arm and explosive stuff. I enjoy the trade.

BTW, Keep Punto. He is extremely servicable as a utility player.

Duluth 4 · Post by **Duluth 4** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:47 am

Indians forever wrote:Twins should of Recieved more, oh well. The Twins are screwed!!!! Anyone want to purchase my season ticks????

haha 100$ u got a taker. :]

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:30 am

schwang17 wrote:
EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:With that said, why is that it seems like only every 3 posts is worth reading in this thread? There are many that I just look at the poster and skip over.

We all can't be as cool as you, obviously...

schwang, I don't wanna have to put you in that group.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:39 am

Indians forever wrote:Twins should of Recieved more, oh well. The Twins are screwed!!!! Anyone want to purchase my season ticks????

Ah, c'mon. Terry Ryan is still scouting, and he doesn't miss often - the kids he picks up tend to pan out. You think he's grabbing at a bunch of hacks, then he manages to pull out a... oh, I don't know... JOHAN SANTANA! The defense is better all around this team, so pressure should be off the rest of the staff for the most part - if these guys can throw strikes and keep the ball in the yard, they should still be able to win their share of games. The starters don't have to be dominant, the bullpen is completely returning, so if they get get 5 good innings, that should be enough. I don't see them finishing below .500.

TR was a lousy judge of veteran pick-ups, but he seldom missed on kids. At this point, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and trust that this will pan out.

My only concern is that it's more pitching... hopefully to be used as trade bait down the road. They have so many "can't miss" pitchers in this system, that they may not have enough roster spots on the MLB team in the future to keep them all. I'm hoping that bill Smith is playing chess here and looking a few moves ahead.

Besides, I'm still geeked to have my LF tickets, and I look forward to collecting Delmon Young HRs all year!

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:04 am

I dont like it.

Govs, they have swung and missed badly on a lot of kids. The list of top prospects who they have drafted or aquired who have been wash outs is long.

I liked the RedSox and Yankee deals better. They offered some immediate help with still young players. This deal is a pig in a poke.

I dont like it.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:26 am

packerboy wrote:I dont like it.

Govs, they have swung and missed badly on a lot of kids. The list of top prospects who they have drafted or aquired who have been wash outs is long.

I liked the RedSox and Yankee deals better. They offered some immediate help with still young players. This deal is a pig in a poke.

I dont like it.

Torii Hunter, Justim Morneau, Joe Mauer, Johan Santana, Michael Cuddyer, Matt Guerrier, Pat Neshek, Francisco Liriano... all developed under the TR regime - most part of the Central Division "threepeat". Sure there have been misses along the way, but just based on the sheer number of players spread throughout any farm system, that's going to happen - you can't avoid it.

There no better judge of young pitching in baseball than Ryan, nobody has been more successful in that regard, and I don't think it can really be argued. PB, I'm reasonably sure you don't know any more about these pickups than what the rest of us have read, so with that mind, I'm sure you'll continue to be the cynic you are, but based on the recent history of this team, I'm willing to give the scouts the benefit of the doubt and assume these are very good to great arms. But again... I'm still hoping they'll be used as trade bait for more offense in the near future. This trade appears to be the same issue TR had... how much pitching is enough?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:56 am

Was it TR's great eye for talent that resulted in nobody hitting 30 HRs for 20 years?

If he has such a great eye for talent, why haven't they been to the Series in 17 years?

You are right , I dont know anything about the guys we got...which is why I dont like it.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:01 am

I was bamboozled into the notion that they would get at least some immediate help in return for Santana.

Did they

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:01 am

packerboy wrote:Was it TR's great eye for talent that resulted in nobody hitting 30 HRs for 20 years?

If he has such a great eye for talent, why haven't they been to the Series in 17 years?

Well...

Govs93 wrote: This trade appears to be the same issue TR had... how much pitching is enough?

Govs93 wrote:I'm hoping that Bill Smith is playing chess here and looking a few moves ahead.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:16 am

Irishmans Shanty wrote:I was bamboozled into the notion that they would get at least some immediate help in return for Santana.

Did they

No. Maybe one guy will go North with them.

I don't like it.

George Blanda · Post by **George Blanda** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:29 am

I like it a lot better than just letting him go for nothing after the year...I would have rather seen Ellsbury in a Twins uni, but at least we got something for him.

At the trade deadline last year, I would have been happy trading Torii for an L-screen and a bag of baseballs.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:30 am

Santana Trade Projections

Today: It is a bad trade

June 1: Twins are 15 under, it is a good trade

Aug 1: Twins are 15 under, it is a really good trade

Sept 1: Twins are 20 over, it is a bad trade

GRhawky · Post by **GRhawky** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:35 am

I am fine with this trade. I am just glad he didn't end up in New York or Boston. I like him in the NL...one because then the twins don't have to face him and two because he can sure swing it...he'll bat .300+. Lots of moves for the twins. I can't even imagine what their lineuip would look like right now.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:05 pm

George Blanda wrote:I like it a lot better than just letting him go for nothing......

I am afraid that they just did.

I DON'T LIKE IT.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:18 pm

On the bright side Santana went to a NL club. I don't think the Twins got a good deal, a RHP with a losing record in the minors and has had Tommy John surgery doesn't exactly make me think we found a fifth starter. However the deal is better than Santana invoking his no trade clause and the Twins getting nothing but 2 draft picks. It's all relative I guess, with Santana I didn't expect much from the Twins this coming season. I think this is just another in a long line of bad decisions made by the front office since their ballpark was approved.

AngusYoung · Post by **AngusYoung** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:39 pm

A few things that are unkown @ this point:

1) Did Santana and agent "threaten" the no-trade clause issue thus forcing the Twins hand? It would appear so based on how this developed so quickly.
2) What players were truly on the table from the other teams that were interested @ the winter meetings? If it was as reported, it appears Mr. Smith gambled a bit and did not improve his hand and actually ultimately settled for less than he could have received @ that time.

Again, it will take 2-3 years to measure the success of this trade. Off the cuff, it is easy to say, "I don't like it" when the facts of the situation are unknown. Could be the best thing Smith could have done under the "unkown" conditions. If that is the case, Smith bears some responsibility for being put in that position.

AY

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:01 pm

AngusYoung wrote: it is easy to say, "I don't like it"

AY

You know, I've noticed the same thing.

BIAFP · Post by **BIAFP** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:10 pm

packerboy wrote:
AngusYoung wrote: it is easy to say, "I don't like it"

AY
You know, I've noticed the same thing.

I hear it from my wife all the time

dangla. · Post by **dangla.** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:30 pm

boblee wrote: BTW, Keep Punto. He is extremely servicable as a utility player.

Yeah hes ok in the field but in that case he has to bat then.
Avg HR RBI Runs
.210 1 25 53

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:32 pm

dangla. wrote:
boblee wrote: BTW, Keep Punto. He is extremely servicable as a utility player.
Yeah hes ok in the field but in that case he has to bat then.
Avg HR RBI Runs
.210 1 25 53

They don't want guys who can hit. They dont even have a DH.

The reason they traded with the Mets is they think they are in the National League.

The best boofin pitcher in baseball in his prime and they don't get a proven hitter for him?

I dont like it.

Get a guy in here who can hit the boofin ball. How hard can it be?Everybody else does it.

I just, I dunno..... I don't like it.

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