thorhockey wrote:
Everyone would be happy if the privates would go back to the independent state championship pre '75 then they can "stack" all they want. There would be no complaints of who owns what kid from what feeder school. Hill could claim all the central catholic conference championships they can handle
It might keep more kids at home however which also keeps the public school
teams happy
End of the private vs public debate
Without private schools, I don't think the quality of hockey would be as high as it is today. Go ahead and hate 'em, its fun! But its all in fun for me...
From my point of view I would guess the cities that lose the most kids to private schools would be Mpls and St. Paul. The Mpls program has suffered for many years and one reason is most of the kids that feel they have a better opportunity to play hockey opt for the private schools. But on the other hand, how many of those kids were destined for the private schools because they attended private school all the way up?
I am one of those kids. I grew up in Mpls and attened AHA, but I was going private school for grades 1 - 12....
7 @ Hill = Sova, Hill, Meier, Pulanco, Holler and P Johnson who has quit hockey(he might have graduated last year thou) younger Sova will be here also.
3 @ CDH = McClelland, Deflorin and Weyandt (left after peewees)
2 @ STA = Jirele brothers 9th grade jv goalie(soild for bantams last year) and older brother who has quit
3 @ St Bernard's = Hoke brothers and Fornier
Also 3 @ WBL = Putney and Hauswirth bros played up to Bantams then moved.
Besides, W.B.L. is a public school.
There's a difference between moving and transferring.
Thier leaving was a result of losing all the others. I was just adding how much they have lost, no program can be successful when you lose that many of your A level players.
I also agree with Neutron (scary thought) it (private schoolers) has opened the world for others to enjoy the high school experiance. I went and watche dmy son play CDH the other night they had the pep band out the stands were full. I saw friends from public to private to just fans of high school hockey and it was all good.
How many high schools still have the pep band come to home games??
Without private schools, I don't think the quality of hockey would be as high as it is today. Go ahead and hate 'em, its fun! But its all in fun for me...
I respect their programs. Even St. Agnes.
Besides, whose more fun to beat than Hill?
Good point! whether ppg likes it or not I did root for hill in the tourney last year. I knew a few of the kids.
Besides, i usually cheer on the underdog.
A little out of the loop the last 2 years, but I know for sure within the last 3 or 4 years the list for Cooper:
A few went to another public school so it might not fit the thread but I will put down anyways.
Bredesen Totino
Norling Totino
Landsem Totino
Goude AHA
Lenton Maple Grove
M. Perrigo Armstrong
N. Perrigo Armstrong
Zappa Armstrong
Berge Armstrong
Riman Armstrong
E. Bigham Benilde
A. Bigham Benilde
I. Tranvick Benilde
D. Tranvick Benilde
Johnson Benilde
Ellinsworth Benilde
D. Bostrom Benilde
S. Bostrom Benilde
Borer Benilde
I know Im missing a couple also, but I think you get the idea.............
here is a list of players MV lost over the past years:
Phillippi's-HM
Peter Croonquist-HM
McCallums-HM
Hoeffle-HM
Ryan and Colin McDounagh-Cretin
Sean Scott- Cretin
Mark Alt- Cretin
Logan Nugent-HM
Joe Johnson-Roseville
Ryan Wolter-WBL
Kevin Cassidy-HM
Jack Reis-TG
Danny DeLisle-TG
Joe Bennek-TG
There are no losers, think of all the additional open spots there are because the private schools have hockey teams..if it wasn't for the private school teams there would be hundreds of kids not getting the chance to play high school hockey. Someone mentioned Edina losing 25 players to private schools..would those 25 players be playing Varsity for Edina this year if they had gone there? you can't even roster 25 kids on varsity. does everyone think Woodbury would have room for all the players that have gone someplace else? There's no way. Private schools help grow the whole sport of hockey because it brings more players into high school sports and if some school ends up with good teams then the other teams will have to (and ussally do) figure out how to compete with them. I see only winners in the current system.
The lists would be more meaningful if they represented players that the area had truly lost.
In other words players that may have gone to their assinged public school but deicded to go to a private school for sports.
For example, someone mentioned Mounds View and the McDonaghs. The family has been going to CDH for decades. Ryan's uncle is Steve Walsh. MV lost them? They never had them. They just happened to live in that district.
I think there is a list that is meaningful but in the school disctrict where I live, 99% of the kids that go to Catholic High School went to Catholic grade school and /or have ties to the school they end up at.
Here is a list of the cities where the current Hill-Murray varsity kids reside.
4 - Woodbury
2 - White Bear Lake
2 - Oakdale
And ONE kid each from the following cities.
1 - Shoreview
1 - Stillwater
1 - Forest Lake
1 - West St. Paul
1 - Afton
1 - Somerset, Wisc.
1 - Hastings
1 - St. Paul
1 - Cottage Grove
1 - North St. Paul
1 - Hudson, Wisc.
1 - Mounds View
Looks like the only town that really has "grumbling" rights is Woodbury, but then this shouldn't be a surprise because about 40% of Hill-Murray's student body is made of of Woodbury kids.
Chaska maybe hasnt lost the same quanity as some of these places but they have lost a lot of quality players. Peter Mueller to breck and then to jefferson, Chris murray to blake, jack barnes to blake, the reilleys to benilde or aha where ever they are and theres more i cant think of off the top of my head. Holy family also takes quite a few kids too. I dont mean take because we all know its a choice you can make on what school you would like to go to.
packerboy wrote:The lists would be more meaningful if they represented players that the area had truly lost.
In other words players that may have gone to their assinged public school but deicded to go to a private school for sports.
For example, someone mentioned Mounds View and the McDonaghs. The family has been going to CDH for decades. Ryan's uncle is Steve Walsh. MV lost them? They never had them. They just happened to live in that district.
I think there is a list that is meaningful but in the school disctrict where I live, 99% of the kids that go to Catholic High School went to Catholic grade school and /or have ties to the school they end up at.
Metro schools lose nothing compared to what St. Cloud, Duluth, and Rochester lose on a yearly basis. That's why I think PB hit the nail on the head. Otherwise Apollo and Tech would easily lose the most kids year in and year out. 2 public schools, 1 private school, you'd have to assume at minimum one of those teams is losing 10 kids a season. We all know there are kids who do show up in Catholic high schools who never attended Catholic elementary school but those are relatively few compared to the number of kids who've been there all along.
Charliedog wrote:Here is a list of the cities where the current Hill-Murray varsity kids reside.
4 - Woodbury - Zepeda, French and Olsen on JV
2 - White Bear Lake
2 - Oakdale
And ONE kid each from the following cities.
1 - Shoreview
1 - Stillwater - Casto- Brucha and Faust on JV
1 - Forest Lake - Kohls
1 - West St. Paul
1 - Afton - JJ
1 - Somerset, Wisc. - Widing
1 - Hastings
1 - St. Paul
1 - Cottage Grove -Sova - Hill, Meier, Holler and Pulanco play JV
1 - North St. Paul - Kelly - Prescott
1 - Hudson, Wisc. - Singerhouse
1 - Mounds View - Flip
Looks like the only town that really has "grumbling" rights is Woodbury, but then this shouldn't be a surprise because about 40% of Hill-Murray's student body is made of of Woodbury kids.
goldy313 wrote:
We all know there are kids who do show up in Catholic high schools who never attended Catholic elementary school but those are relatively few compared to the number of kids who've been there all along.
And thats the list that would be meaningful.
I dont know how you would look at the Private non Catholics except you could easily eliminate those kids that started there or in some privtae school before 9th grade.
After all is said and done, I will bet that the list of kids who end up at non public schools who were not "destined " to go there is a pretty short one.
I've got two different friends whose kids go to private high school after having gone to public grade school. Neither was for sports. The perception is "more structure/less free time at private schools" which anyone who has/had a teenager knows the benefit of. Of course I counter with the private rich kids have more money to get in trouble...
Charliedog wrote:Here is a list of the cities where the current Hill-Murray varsity kids reside.
4 - Woodbury
2 - White Bear Lake
2 - Oakdale
And ONE kid each from the following cities.
1 - Shoreview
1 - Stillwater
1 - Forest Lake
1 - West St. Paul
1 - Afton
1 - Somerset, Wisc.
1 - Hastings
1 - St. Paul
1 - Cottage Grove
1 - North St. Paul
1 - Hudson, Wisc.
1 - Mounds View
Looks like the only town that really has "grumbling" rights is Woodbury, but then this shouldn't be a surprise because about 40% of Hill-Murray's student body is made of of Woodbury kids.
How do you figure? If it's true that 40% of the school's student body comes from Woodbury, why is the hockey team made up of 80% from other cities (states)? Shouldn't there be 8 kids from Woodbury if the hockey team was truly representative of the school as a whole?
I'm not sure what you're saying by "grumbling rights". Like I've said before, IMO, the grumbling rights belong to the public schools that have developed kids through the 8th grade only to see them magically turn up at places like HM for the 9th grade because they have some athletic aptitiude.
Govs93 wrote:
I'm not sure what you're saying by "grumbling rights". Like I've said before, IMO, the grumbling rights belong to the public schools that have developed kids through the 8th grade only to see them magically turn up at places like HM for the 9th grade because they have some athletic aptitiude.
What is truly magical is that the only players that turn up at the private schools in 9th grade are the ones that were "stars" in 8th grade Things that make you say hmmmmmm?
My son deffinately went private for hockey! He had a choice of three and his decision was based on thier hockey program. And We have all been happy with his decision. As far as the money and trouble deal I have friends that have had major issues at some of the public schools. I dont think it is any different any place. Kids do dumb things and will continue to do dumb things. There are numerous kids that wanted to play hockey but thier are only so many spots I wish they all could play.
Dazed&Confused wrote:My son deffinately went private for hockey! He had a choice of three and his decision was based on thier hockey program. And We have all been happy with his decision. As far as the money and trouble deal I have friends that have had major issues at some of the public schools. I dont think it is any different any place. Kids do dumb things and will continue to do dumb things. There are numerous kids that wanted to play hockey but thier are only so many spots I wish they all could play.
I hope your kid is getting a better education than your spelling shows.
There are many 9th graders who went home unhappy. The stars will stick out because they made the team. Yes at Hill Or Holy Angels Etc you would need to be rather good to make the team.
Things that make you say hmmmmmm?