Someone help me out...I can't find anything but "rule references on page 136...
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Bantam A scores
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One other note...not sure how Shattuck does it if alhoa and elliot are right...
At least most of the FIRE boys are reside within the same area code...
http://s-sm.org/athletics/interscholast ... I%20Hockey
At least most of the FIRE boys are reside within the same area code...
http://s-sm.org/athletics/interscholast ... I%20Hockey
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greybeard58
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The rules you are looking are on page 136 in the USA Hockey Annual Guide which can be found on their web site. You were looking in the USA Hockey playing rules maybe. I hope this comes through.
Here is a part of the book.
136 2007-08 USA Hockey
B. Registration
All individual and team registration forms, electronic transmissions and
registration fees handled by local associations/member programs for ice
hockey should be sent to the official district registration offices (except for
specifically designated teams or leagues which will be handled directly
through the USA Hockey national office).
The team roster registration form (1-T) shall be completed and forwarded to the official district registration office by the appropriate date as set forth in the USA Hockey Annual Guide of the current playing season for teams
eligible for district playoffs and national championships.
The team roster registration form (1-T) shall not be effective until the earlier to occur of; a) the date it is received by the official district registration office, or b) the date of the postmark by the U.S. Postal Service, regardless of the date that appears on the team roster registration form.
A limit of twenty (20) players at any one time may be registered per team
except for high school, girls’ high school, college and women’s college who
may roster 30 players and may dress 20 players and junior, adult and
women’s teams who may roster 25 players and may dress 20 players. A
player may be registered in only one (1) national ice hockey federation.
Except for Juniors, a team must register in the USA Hockey affiliate or
district in which 80% or more of its players reside; otherwise, if 80% of theplayers do not reside in a single affiliate/district, it must register in the
affiliate or district where it plays the highest percentage of its home games.
Any exception must be approved by the affiliate/district in which the team
normally would be registered and by the affiliates/districts which comprise
the region (as defined under Section XII. DISTRICT AND NATIONAL
CHAMPIONSHIPS) in which the team will be registered. This determination
will be based on the roster of the current season and/or playing schedule. The regular season shall be September 1 through August 31.
C. National Tournament-Bound Teams
A player may not register on more than one team that participates in games leading towards a national championship.
Player changes to the official team roster form (1-T) for youth Tier I and Tier II teams and girls’/women’s (except Women’s A) national tournament-bound teams will not be accepted after December 31.
Refer to Rules and Regulations XII, for additional
requirements for national tournament-bound teams.
In the event a player is registered on more than one team that participates in games leading towards a national championship, the appropriate registrar shall have the final authority to certify the eligibility of any such player solely on the basis of the date on which the effective date of the earliest team roster registration form, as provided above, is received.
Girls/Women may dual roster on a youth and female team if the affiliate
rules permit dual registration for females. Dual-rostered females playing on youth and girls’/women’s teams may continue playing on both teams until the end of the regular season. However, the player must declare in writing to her appropriate registrar, or his/her designee, by December 31 which tournament-bound team she wishes to be eligible to advance to the district, state, regional and national championship.
If the player does not indicate which team she wishes to be eligible for district, state, regional and national tournaments, the appropriate registrar shall have the final authority to certify the eligibility of any such player solely on the basis of the date of the Any youth player (male or female) rostered on a Tier I or Tier II youth or girl earliest team roster registration form, as provided above, is received.s’/women’s team and a Junior Program team as of December 31, can only play for one team after December 31. If the player plays in a Junior game after December 31,
he/she loses all eligibility on his/her youth team for the remainder of the season, regardless of how many games are played at the
Junior level. Disputes regarding this rule should be resolved by the
appropriate registrar (with participation validated by the junior registrar).
Here is a part of the book.
136 2007-08 USA Hockey
B. Registration
All individual and team registration forms, electronic transmissions and
registration fees handled by local associations/member programs for ice
hockey should be sent to the official district registration offices (except for
specifically designated teams or leagues which will be handled directly
through the USA Hockey national office).
The team roster registration form (1-T) shall be completed and forwarded to the official district registration office by the appropriate date as set forth in the USA Hockey Annual Guide of the current playing season for teams
eligible for district playoffs and national championships.
The team roster registration form (1-T) shall not be effective until the earlier to occur of; a) the date it is received by the official district registration office, or b) the date of the postmark by the U.S. Postal Service, regardless of the date that appears on the team roster registration form.
A limit of twenty (20) players at any one time may be registered per team
except for high school, girls’ high school, college and women’s college who
may roster 30 players and may dress 20 players and junior, adult and
women’s teams who may roster 25 players and may dress 20 players. A
player may be registered in only one (1) national ice hockey federation.
Except for Juniors, a team must register in the USA Hockey affiliate or
district in which 80% or more of its players reside; otherwise, if 80% of theplayers do not reside in a single affiliate/district, it must register in the
affiliate or district where it plays the highest percentage of its home games.
Any exception must be approved by the affiliate/district in which the team
normally would be registered and by the affiliates/districts which comprise
the region (as defined under Section XII. DISTRICT AND NATIONAL
CHAMPIONSHIPS) in which the team will be registered. This determination
will be based on the roster of the current season and/or playing schedule. The regular season shall be September 1 through August 31.
C. National Tournament-Bound Teams
A player may not register on more than one team that participates in games leading towards a national championship.
Player changes to the official team roster form (1-T) for youth Tier I and Tier II teams and girls’/women’s (except Women’s A) national tournament-bound teams will not be accepted after December 31.
Refer to Rules and Regulations XII, for additional
requirements for national tournament-bound teams.
In the event a player is registered on more than one team that participates in games leading towards a national championship, the appropriate registrar shall have the final authority to certify the eligibility of any such player solely on the basis of the date on which the effective date of the earliest team roster registration form, as provided above, is received.
Girls/Women may dual roster on a youth and female team if the affiliate
rules permit dual registration for females. Dual-rostered females playing on youth and girls’/women’s teams may continue playing on both teams until the end of the regular season. However, the player must declare in writing to her appropriate registrar, or his/her designee, by December 31 which tournament-bound team she wishes to be eligible to advance to the district, state, regional and national championship.
If the player does not indicate which team she wishes to be eligible for district, state, regional and national tournaments, the appropriate registrar shall have the final authority to certify the eligibility of any such player solely on the basis of the date of the Any youth player (male or female) rostered on a Tier I or Tier II youth or girl earliest team roster registration form, as provided above, is received.s’/women’s team and a Junior Program team as of December 31, can only play for one team after December 31. If the player plays in a Junior game after December 31,
he/she loses all eligibility on his/her youth team for the remainder of the season, regardless of how many games are played at the
Junior level. Disputes regarding this rule should be resolved by the
appropriate registrar (with participation validated by the junior registrar).
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keepyourheadup
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elliott70 wrote:loveallsports_notjusthky wrote:
As for having 4 WI players, I believe that is something that has been thrown around on this board and in rinks, but there is no truth to that "requirment" in the WAHA or USA Hockey handbook.
Sorry but there is a USA Hockey rule...
page 136 of the annual guide....
"...a team must register in the USA Hockey affilaite in which 80% or more of its players reside..."
17 players .. 80% is 13.6 players... 14 are from MN....
What do you think...??????
If your going to "quote" any language from any legal document or in this case USA Hockey Rules and Regulations its always proper to include the entire text of the section you are referencing to see the whole picture on the rule or regulation. Without the entire text it is very hard to determine or interpert the rule!
USA HOCKEY Rules and Regulations
SECTION IV TEAM MEMBERSHIP and REGISTRATION
Subsection B Registration Page 136
Except for Juniors, a team must register in the USA Hockey affiliate or
district in which 80% or more of its players reside; otherwise, if 80% of the
players do not reside in a single affiliate/district, it must register in the
affiliate or district where it plays the highest percentage of its home games.
Any exception must be approved by the affiliate/district in which the team
normally would be registered and by the affiliates/districts which comprise
the region (as defined under Section XII. DISTRICT AND NATIONAL
CHAMPIONSHIPS) in which the team will be registered. This determination
will be based on the roster of the current season and/or playing schedule. The
regular season shall be September 1 through August 31.
FireHockey Club registers in the USA Hockey Central District of which Wisconsin is part of. The rule above has 2 provisions for registration eligiblity.
1) 80% of players reside in the District the team registers in or
2) The team must register in the District where they play the majority of their home games.
Exceptions to these two 2 provisions will require approval from the affilate District.
The FireHockery Club plays 100% of its home games in Wisconson. Therefore they are well within the rules and regulations of USA Hockey.
You don't like this language or loophole that this club uses to register? Take it to USA hockey. I highly doubt they will change it because of concerns from Minnesota hockey that 50 players out of 10,000+players jumped to a USA Hockey Tier I Wisconson Team. Around the country this type of movement happens all the time. FireHockey is not the only affiliate that uses this language to its advantage.
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flatontheice
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wrong
"The FireHockery Club plays 100% of its home games in Wisconson."
That is simply not true.
That is simply not true.
Someone help me out:loveallsports_notjusthky wrote:G MCNEELY - Lakeville
G GONZALEZ - Sun Fish Lake
G LINDGREN - Lakeville
D REILLY - Chaska
D SKEENS - Lakeville
D SCHURHAMER - St. Paul
D ROBERT - Maplewood
D COTRONEO - Woodbury
F DAU - Hudson (Presently out with broken wrist, back by Christmas)
F SPRINGMAN - Princeton
F EICHSTADT - Hudson
F FLEMING - Waconia
F FRAWLEY - Minnetonka
F KROSKA - Lakeville
F STORO - Chanhassen
F HARVEY - Lakeville
F PETERSON - Lakeville
Why are Minnesota kids playing for a Wisconsin team? Are you telling me that there aren't enough teams in Minnesota? What's the attraction? Just curious.
BoogyBoogeyMan wrote:Someone help me out:loveallsports_notjusthky wrote:G MCNEELY - Lakeville
G GONZALEZ - Sun Fish Lake
G LINDGREN - Lakeville
D REILLY - Chaska
D SKEENS - Lakeville
D SCHURHAMER - St. Paul
D ROBERT - Maplewood
D COTRONEO - Woodbury
F DAU - Hudson (Presently out with broken wrist, back by Christmas)
F SPRINGMAN - Princeton
F EICHSTADT - Hudson
F FLEMING - Waconia
F FRAWLEY - Minnetonka
F KROSKA - Lakeville
F STORO - Chanhassen
F HARVEY - Lakeville
F PETERSON - Lakeville
Why are Minnesota kids playing for a Wisconsin team? Are you telling me that there aren't enough teams in Minnesota? What's the attraction? Just curious.
It's just like anything else in the world. Options, different choices, opportunity. Some of the attractions are these kids get to play against some of the best talent in the US. I'm sure there are people who will say that there is plenty of talent in the state of MN, but if you look at the USA hockey rosters, the MN players aren't dominating them like they use to. There is some really good hockey being played outside the MN boundries and MN needs to appreciated the talent that is outside the bubble.
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hockeyhockey
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High Flyer
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elliot70, Alohafriday7 & gerrodrowski-
It's good to see that read and do math. Here is a pop quiz and for you guys, this is an open book test (usa hockey 2007/08 guide book) and it's ok if you use your calculator:
1) With a 20 man roster, what is the max. number of players that can be from Minnesota and not be register through Minnesota?
Lets just stick to the post subject "bantam A" scores.
It's good to see that read and do math. Here is a pop quiz and for you guys, this is an open book test (usa hockey 2007/08 guide book) and it's ok if you use your calculator:
1) With a 20 man roster, what is the max. number of players that can be from Minnesota and not be register through Minnesota?
Lets just stick to the post subject "bantam A" scores.
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High Flyer
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Actually the Champlin Park/FIRE games was really a 2-2 tie.
They had a little extra ice time let over, "kids on both teams" wanted to do a shoot out. Each team pick three players, FIRE scored on first two attempts and Rebels didn't, third player for both teams didn't get to shoot.
Champlin Park is a very good team this year, with new players McDonald from Omaha and Robbinson from Brooklyn Park already making an impact. Goalie from Champlin played extremely well with 33 saves. This Champlin team is very well coached. Other D10 teams had better not look past these guys this year.
They had a little extra ice time let over, "kids on both teams" wanted to do a shoot out. Each team pick three players, FIRE scored on first two attempts and Rebels didn't, third player for both teams didn't get to shoot.
Champlin Park is a very good team this year, with new players McDonald from Omaha and Robbinson from Brooklyn Park already making an impact. Goalie from Champlin played extremely well with 33 saves. This Champlin team is very well coached. Other D10 teams had better not look past these guys this year.
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gerryodrowski
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High Cryer - not sure I counted 20 on your Fire lovin' pal's post. As long as I've got my calculator out, where do you rank High Flyer Jr. in this year's bantam crop. I believe you declared him as a "Top 10" last season. Just curious.High Flyer wrote:elliot70, Alohafriday7 & gerrodrowski-
It's good to see that read and do math. Here is a pop quiz and for you guys, this is an open book test (usa hockey 2007/08 guide book) and it's ok if you use your calculator:
1) With a 20 man roster, what is the max. number of players that can be from Minnesota and not be register through Minnesota?
Lets just stick to the post subject "bantam A" scores.
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hockeyhockey
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Thanks Gopher1. How do the Fire match up against the Machine? Who has the better teams/program?gopher1 wrote:BoogyBoogeyMan wrote:Someone help me out:loveallsports_notjusthky wrote:G MCNEELY - Lakeville
G GONZALEZ - Sun Fish Lake
G LINDGREN - Lakeville
D REILLY - Chaska
D SKEENS - Lakeville
D SCHURHAMER - St. Paul
D ROBERT - Maplewood
D COTRONEO - Woodbury
F DAU - Hudson (Presently out with broken wrist, back by Christmas)
F SPRINGMAN - Princeton
F EICHSTADT - Hudson
F FLEMING - Waconia
F FRAWLEY - Minnetonka
F KROSKA - Lakeville
F STORO - Chanhassen
F HARVEY - Lakeville
F PETERSON - Lakeville
Why are Minnesota kids playing for a Wisconsin team? Are you telling me that there aren't enough teams in Minnesota? What's the attraction? Just curious.
It's just like anything else in the world. Options, different choices, opportunity. Some of the attractions are these kids get to play against some of the best talent in the US. I'm sure there are people who will say that there is plenty of talent in the state of MN, but if you look at the USA hockey rosters, the MN players aren't dominating them like they use to. There is some really good hockey being played outside the MN boundries and MN needs to appreciated the talent that is outside the bubble.
Centennial scores
Some of the recent posts on scores are from Centennial.
Some others (not a complete list)
WBL 2 Jefferson 2
D.E. 2 Shattuck 1
Shattuck 3 WBL 1
Shattuck 6 Jefferson 1
EP 5 MG 0
D.E. 4 WBL 2
Mahtomedi 2 Centennial 1
Blaine 2 Rochester 1
Edina 2 Wayzata 1
Some others (not a complete list)
WBL 2 Jefferson 2
D.E. 2 Shattuck 1
Shattuck 3 WBL 1
Shattuck 6 Jefferson 1
EP 5 MG 0
D.E. 4 WBL 2
Mahtomedi 2 Centennial 1
Blaine 2 Rochester 1
Edina 2 Wayzata 1
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Dazed&Confused
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Dont get excited
There have been Fire teams in the past at this level. Most where history after High School tryouts. Players end up playing JV or Varsity.
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Alohafriday7
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Flyer,High Flyer wrote:elliot70, Alohafriday7 & gerrodrowski-
It's good to see that read and do math. Here is a pop quiz and for you guys, this is an open book test (usa hockey 2007/08 guide book) and it's ok if you use your calculator:
1) With a 20 man roster, what is the max. number of players that can be from Minnesota and not be register through Minnesota?
Lets just stick to the post subject "bantam A" scores.
Thanks for the english lesson! Now go count the kids on the roster and see if you can count to 20..nope! As far as Elliot and Gerrodrowski are concerned..It's Moday so I'll assume "they're lurning that read and do math subjeckt in skool"!
Who is coaching at Champlin?High Flyer wrote:Actually the Champlin Park/FIRE games was really a 2-2 tie.
They had a little extra ice time let over, "kids on both teams" wanted to do a shoot out. Each team pick three players, FIRE scored on first two attempts and Rebels didn't, third player for both teams didn't get to shoot.
Champlin Park is a very good team this year, with new players McDonald from Omaha and Robbinson from Brooklyn Park already making an impact. Goalie from Champlin played extremely well with 33 saves. This Champlin team is very well coached. Other D10 teams had better not look past these guys this year.
boardmember wrote:elliott70 wrote:loveallsports_notjusthky wrote:
As for having 4 WI players, I believe that is something that has been thrown around on this board and in rinks, but there is no truth to that "requirment" in the WAHA or USA Hockey handbook.
Sorry but there is a USA Hockey rule...
page 136 of the annual guide....
"...a team must register in the USA Hockey affilaite in which 80% or more of its players reside..."
17 players .. 80% is 13.6 players... 14 are from MN....
What do you think...??????
If your going to "quote" any language from any legal document or in this case USA Hockey Rules and Regulations its always proper to include the entire text of the section you are referencing to see the whole picture on the rule or regulation. Without the entire text it is very hard to determine or interpert the rule!
USA HOCKEY Rules and Regulations
SECTION IV TEAM MEMBERSHIP and REGISTRATION
Subsection B Registration Page 136
Except for Juniors, a team must register in the USA Hockey affiliate or
district in which 80% or more of its players reside; otherwise, if 80% of the
players do not reside in a single affiliate/district, it must register in the
affiliate or district where it plays the highest percentage of its home games.
Any exception must be approved by the affiliate/district in which the team
normally would be registered and by the affiliates/districts which comprise
the region (as defined under Section XII. DISTRICT AND NATIONAL
CHAMPIONSHIPS) in which the team will be registered. This determination
will be based on the roster of the current season and/or playing schedule. The
regular season shall be September 1 through August 31.
FireHockey Club registers in the USA Hockey Central District of which Wisconsin is part of. The rule above has 2 provisions for registration eligiblity.
1) 80% of players reside in the District the team registers in or
2) The team must register in the District where they play the majority of their home games.
Exceptions to these two 2 provisions will require approval from the affilate District.
The FireHockery Club plays 100% of its home games in Wisconson. Therefore they are well within the rules and regulations of USA Hockey.
You don't like this language or loophole that this club uses to register? Take it to USA hockey. I highly doubt they will change it because of concerns from Minnesota hockey that 50 players out of 10,000+players jumped to a USA Hockey Tier I Wisconson Team. Around the country this type of movement happens all the time. FireHockey is not the only affiliate that uses this language to its advantage.
Sorry did not mean to confuse you.
The statement made was that there was no such rule, but, yes, there is such a rule.
As to your interpretation of the second part of the rule, you should do your math and reread the rule.
Part two applies when there is not 80% from any one USA Hockey affiliate.
14 of 17 is 82%.
As I stated on another thread, parents be careful. Not wishing anyone ill, but please do what needs to be done to follow the rules.
I apologize to those reading and looking for scores not administratvie rules.
loveallsports_notjusthky wrote:One other note...not sure how Shattuck does it if alhoa and elliot are right...
At least most of the FIRE boys are reside within the same area code...
http://s-sm.org/athletics/interscholast ... I%20Hockey
Shattuck kids 'reside' in Fairbault. They live on campus. This makes the Shattuck organization a MN Hockey association and as such is properly governed by MN Hockey.