No Mercy in Football

[packerboy]

Maybe thats the reason.

If it is, its a sad state of affairs.

[packerboy]

Well now , there you go again.

But Govs, our boy Ronnie beat an incumbant Pesident and then won all but Minnesota for his second term right after he got done feeding John Kerry in that picture.

[Knowlzee]

Packerboy, please excuse me, your point was taken,.....but couldn't resist post #233.

Some thoughts on the Millea article:

Blowouts can't be eliminated and will happen from time to time, but.......why can't AD's of 90 player teams and 30 player teams each find similar sized teams to play, especially in the metro area? Wouldn't it be more beneficial for both teams to find comparable competition?

The "kids" decided they wanted to play Wayzata. Who's in charge, the AD's or the kids? I guess the kids evidently are just as capable, as the AD's got them in the position for a pretty much assured blowout.

A program called, "The Choice is Yours"? What ever happened to the open enrollment law? So in Mineapolis, the law doesn't apply,......but instead they have a "program" for those families that qualify? How about just abide by the law for all,.....and scrap the "program" for a few?

North coach, "Our kids needed to see what it takes to be one of the best teams in the state." What are the kids going to do about getting 3 times as many players as present out for football in the future? I wonder how hopeful the North kids are about becoming one of the best teams in state?

The Lake Conference has too many teams, so many each team can't play every team each year. The Classic Lake has too few, only 5 teams. What chould be done to solve a scheduling problem? Is this difficult? Maybe they should ask the kids to figure it out?

[Govs93]

Well now , there you go again.

But Govs, our boy Ronnie beat an incumbant Pesident and then won all but Minnesota for his second term right after he got done feeding John Kerry in that picture.

I believe Slick Willy also put a beatdown on an imcumbent in '92 (and 2 term VP) and didn't have to feed a monkey to do it... although I believe he did have his fair share of fun with a whale in the Oval Office.

[Neutron 14]

I believe Slick Willy also put a beatdown on an imcumbent in '92 (and 2 term VP) and didn't have to feed a monkey to do it... although I believe he did have his fair share of fun with a whale in the Oval Office.

Yep. Had a whale of a time....

[Neutron 14]

As we enter the next political season, lets be reminded of two things.

America isn't about getting, its about earning.

"YeeHaw" is not an acceptable foreign policy.

[packerboy]

Knowlzee, everything is gonna be alright.

We dont have to control it.

A game got scheduled between 2 teams that aren't at the same compettitve level. Its not a tragedy.

We dont need to have a meeeting to discuss it nor write an article in the newspaper about it.

We dont need to pass a rule to 'protect' those involved.

We need to................ just leave it alone.

[TTpuckster]

As we enter the next political season, lets be reminded of two things.

America isn't about getting, its about earning.

"YeeHaw" is not an acceptable foreign policy.

As we enter the next political season, lets be reminded of ONE thing:

Turn off your TV's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Govs93]

As we enter the next political season, lets be reminded of two things.

America isn't about getting, its about earning.

"YeeHaw" is not an acceptable foreign policy.

As we enter the next political season, lets be reminded of ONE thing:

Turn off your TV's!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't.

I have to be able to watch the all-public school hockey final in March!

[TTpuckster]

Milea's last sentence in that article is so typical: "Truth be told, no one came out a winner in this game".

Ahhh John, thats not exactly right. Wayzata won 51-0.

But he is so typical of the bleeding heart , ultra liberal Democrat types that are just so upset if one team wins by a lot.

Hats off to the North kids and coach for being able to put it in perspective and take something out of it. They arent crying about it. But they dont need to, they have enough "mommies"like Milea to do that for them.

Hey PB.

Getting a little board this fall waiting for hockey to start?

And by the way...what do you have against "mommies"?

C'mon PB?

What do you have against "mommies?'

You can tell us

We'll be kind

[TTpuckster]

Well now , there you go again.

But Govs, our boy Ronnie beat an incumbant Pesident and then won all but Minnesota for his second term right after he got done feeding John Kerry in that picture.

That reminds me of Ronnie's most famous quote:

Well.....I'll go ask Nancy

[goldy313]

On the origianl subject....

This has been discussed and each state can impose a running clock or other such means to end a game early. The NFHS (governing body for rules) leaves the matter up to the states. The feeling in Minnesota is that since football rosters are only limited by the number of kids who go out instead of a set number like hockey that the only way many kids will get snaps is when the score becomes lopsided. Also the number of games is set at 8, far less than in any other sport further limiting the number of snaps a kid can get. In small towns this lets sophomores get some playing time where they otherwise wouldn't for a year or better. The onus then should be on the coaches top play everybody, however I've officiated a game this season where 1 team was up by more than 50 and many starters from the winning team were still in the game late in the 4th quarter. So it's not a great system.

After this 2 year alignment cycle ends you'll probably see a big change in high school football in Minnesota as they go away from Conferences and move towards a district format allowing 2 more regular season games but a smaller playoff structure.

[packerboy]

goldy, Thats a good reason to not have a mercy rule. Not the best reason but a good one.

But doesnt it apply equally to baseball? So why do we have a 10 run rule?

In Hockey we have running time in the 3rd period after a (is it 5 or 6?) goal lead. Ive seen games where they run the clock and then the other team will score a couple and then they play stop time again.

How stupid is that?

[Irishmans Shanty]

Good topic.

Mercy in baseball is OK, but not in football. Fighting is OK in pro hockey but brings and an automatic ejection and suspension in all other major sports. I guess the football and hockey examples expose our lust for a good public beating once in a while.

[TTpuckster]

Good topic.

Mercy in baseball is OK, but not in football. Fighting is OK in pro hockey but brings and an automatic ejection and suspension in all other major sports. I guess the football and hockey examples expose our lust for a good public beating once in a while.

Shanty,

Supporting your statement;

Maybe you remember this.
Back in the late 70's the North Stars played a game against the Boston Bruins in Boston.

Don Cherry the coach and he had a player named Wensink or something like that.

Anyway, it was one of those "most penalized" games ever and near the end, Wensink skated over to the North Star Bench and "challenged" the entire bench.

Nobody from the NS bench came out on the ice to "take up" the Challenge.

Of course it was all over the papers the next day, and as it turned out, there was a return match in Minnesota less than a week later.

I was at the game which I believe was one of the highest attendance games ever for the North Stars. (Kinda supports your theory doesn't it for Hockey and Football).

There were hate banners all over the Met for Wensink.
Less than a minute in to the tilt, one of the North Stars got Wensink along the boards and totally pummelled him.

The entire crowd was on their feet cheering and yelling Kill Him, Kill Him.
I thought I was at the Roman Colosium.
Kinda scary.

Anyway a Long story to support your point.

[Govs93]

Anyway, it was one of those "most penalized" games ever and near the end, Wensink skated over to the North Star Bench and "challenged" the entire bench.

I think it's the most penalized game in history isn't it? I know it was for along time.

[Irishmans Shanty]

I remember a classic battle between the Sioux and Badgers circa 1982. It would have been the hayday of Jim Archibald, I think Chelios still may have been with the Badgers too. The game never got started, an all out brawl started during warmups and it deteriorated from there. That game may still be going on right now.

[Neutron 14]

Minnesota North Stars, Boston Bruins, at Boston, Feb. 26, 1981. Minnesota received 18 minors, 13 majors, 4 10-minutes misconducts and 7 game misconducts; a total of 211 PIM. Boston received 20 minors, 13 majors, 3 10-minute misconducts and 6 game misconducts; a total of 195 PIM.

[Can't Never Tried]

That's funny too! because I don't remember hearing anyone say back then "that's disgusting" or "this is ridiculus" even though this was a bit over the top.
It was always fun to see a good fight !! and everyone wanted tickets to see the next game just to see what would happen...

[packerboy]

Fighting in pro hockey didnt really bother me but I dont miss those days.

Its better now with the 10 punch rule.

[Can't Never Tried]

Its better now with the 10 punch rule.

Nice

[TTpuckster]

Fighting in pro hockey didnt really bother me but I dont miss those days.

Its better now with the 10 punch rule.

PB. So to continue the parody!!!!!!! and the reason for this posting.,,

No Mercy rule for fights is not good.

But for a different reason.

You really wouldn't care how many punches except that all those punches take away from actually playing hockey. Which is really what we want to see.

[packerboy]

As "The Great One" would say:

Precisely

[goldy313]

goldy, Thats a good reason to not have a mercy rule. Not the best reason but a good one.

But doesnt it apply equally to baseball? So why do we have a 10 run rule?
In Hockey we have running time in the 3rd period after a (is it 5 or 6?) goal lead. Ive seen games where they run the clock and then the other team will score a couple and then they play stop time again.

How stupid is that?

It's been 8-10 years since I sat through a coaches association meeting on this but the reasons are/were basically based on 2 things:

1) Daylight and lack there of; many schools don't have lights and travel makes starting a game at 3pm impracticle in most of the state. Darkness only suspends games whereas a 10 run rule ends games, so practicality says the games need to end not be suspended.
2) Wear on pitchers; most schools aren't the big AAA schools with many talented kids almost any of whom should be able to throw the ball across the plate. Most might have at best a couple of kids who can. Minnesota counts innings not pitches so you can throw 3 pitches and it equals 1 inning or you can throw 70 and still be in the same 1 inning. The team being hammered probably isn't getting away with kids throwing 10 pitch innings. If a kid can't effectively get the ball across the plate when will the game end?

Take those two reasons then add the extremely short baseball season that is compacted by weather anyhow and the mercy rule saves travel and kids arms. If you're in Minnetonka and have state of the art fields, lights, practice facility, etc. it probably makes less sense than if your from Blackduck or Rushford and don't. The MSHSL treats everybody the same whether you're from Minnetonka or Rushford. Peoples opinions differ on this but the reasoning seems sound enough to me.

[packerboy]

Anyway, as long as we are discussing No Mercy and Football, check out the CDH Raiders if you want to see a dominant HS football team.

They are laying to waiste the Surburan East Conference and the behemouth , fat cat, pagan public schools.

Slapshooter long ago established that Catholics were superior hockey players. The Crusade of the 05/ 06 season sealed the deal pretty well on that issue.

Now, it appears that "The Great One's" hypothesis applies equally to football.

From this poster's view it appears that there will be showdown later on between CDH and the evil emperor from the west known as Eden Prarie.

Another "Eden Hall" battle for the hardware just like in baseball.

Oh, and speaking of baseball.................