Vikings in trouble for opening day?

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:20 am

Oh, one more statement regarding the Vikings potential this season...

God bless Sunday Ticket, so I dont have to suffer through more than I'm able to bear.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:53 am

For all of you guys who are diehard Viking fans, I hope I am wrong and in a couple of years , they will be good again.

But I think this could be a long dry spell.

I do give them credit for remaining competitive if not championship caliber for a long time.

Even if they havent won a championship , they havent reached rock bottom like a lot of teams have.

But I think that has come to an end. The little talent that they have is in the O line and D line and isnt getting any younger.

The 2007 draft looks decent but even if it works out, its the first one in a long time.

The only wy for this team to become competitive in a short time is with significant free agent signings.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:18 pm

<PB

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:51 pm

Atlanta WIN
at Detroit WIN
at Kansas City (playoff team) WIN
Green Bay WIN
at Chicago (Super Bowl team) LOSS
at Dallas (playoff team) LOSS
Philadelphia (playoff team) WIN
San Diego (playoff team) WIN
at Green Bay WIN
Oakland WIN
at NY Giants (playoff team) LOSS
Detroit WIN
at San Francisco WIN
Chicago (Super Bowl team) LOSS
Washington WIN
at Denver WIN

12 - 4, SECOND BEHIND CHICAGO
LOSE IN NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:00 pm

elliott70 wrote:Atlanta WIN
at Detroit WIN
at Kansas City (playoff team) WIN
Green Bay WIN
at Chicago (Super Bowl team) LOSS
at Dallas (playoff team) LOSS
Philadelphia (playoff team) WIN
San Diego (playoff team) WIN
at Green Bay WIN
Oakland WIN
at NY Giants (playoff team) LOSS
Detroit WIN
at San Francisco WIN
Chicago (Super Bowl team) LOSS
Washington WIN
at Denver WIN

12 - 4, SECOND BEHIND CHICAGO
LOSE IN NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!

We need more optimistic people like you in the world, elliot! I hope you're right.

Say, by any chance are you a bettin' man? I may have a proposition for you!

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:09 pm

I think Elliott needs his meds adjusted.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:35 pm

Even if Elliott is right, they will lose the NFC championship game
51-0

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:48 pm

packerboy wrote:Even if Elliott is right, they will lose the NFC championship game
51-0

Most embarrassing day in MN sports history.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:00 pm

Neutron 14 wrote:
packerboy wrote:Even if Elliott is right, they will lose the NFC championship game
51-0
Most embarrassing day in MN sports history.

Well it wasn't the Vikes' fault. As I recall, Jim Fassell had a dude intercepting their radio transmissions from an elevator inside Giants Stadium, right?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:13 pm

Oh yah, that was the reason.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:18 pm

Ahh, Packerboy. You remind me of an old friend of mine from long ago. Thomas was his name.
So little faith, such lack of hope.

It is a new season.
Come on boys, support our fine young men of purple pride.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:21 pm

Neut, I dont know about that. The Vikings have provided us with so many "most embarrasing days", its hard to choose.

Well, hey, as long as we are at it lets vote"

1. Superbowl loss to KC

2. Superbowl loss to Oakland

3. Superbowl loss to Pittsburg

4. NFC championship loss to Giants.

5. Numerous blowout losses to SF in the playoffs in the 80's

I mean, the list is endless. There is no team around here, nor anywhere else that has been so beaten on in big games.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:22 pm

And Gov, it is E l l i o t t.

Do not confuse my family with those fine Scottish lads that work all day.
My ancestors waited for night fall and just took what they needed or wanted.

So betting is to no avail. If I lose, I just take it from your back pocket as you to turn to go.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:33 pm

elliott70 wrote:And Gov, it is E l l i o t t.

Do not confuse my family with those fine Scottish lads that work all day.
My ancestors waited for night fall and just took what they needed or wanted.

So betting is to no avail. If I lose, I just take it from your back pocket as you to turn to go.

Pardon me... it was either a typo or I just didn't pay attention. And your heritage sounds a lot like the Govs' neighborhood - it would be interesting to see whose back pocket is emptied first.

And Elliott, it's G o v s.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:37 pm

I'd like to hear some specifics of what's wrong with elliott70's prediction. Last year we could've easily been 4-0 to start the season and then us, instead of the Bears would've been the team everyone was talking about. If that happened and all plays were reviewable we would've been 10-6 and a top team. We were an average team and if Jackson isn't a flop we should be better.

Yes, it's sad, but we were probably 10 plays away from being a top 8 team in the NFL last year. Some may not remember, but we lost two games by six in which we had punts returned for TDs that were called off, in which both would've been given back to us if the play was reviewable. 8-8 would've put us in the playoffs last year.

We were by no means amazing, but we definitely weren't the horrible, embarrassing team everyone is talking about.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:52 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:I'd like to hear some specifics of what's wrong with elliott70's prediction. Last year we could've easily been 4-0 to start the season and then us, instead of the Bears would've been the team everyone was talking about. If that happened and all plays were reviewable we would've been 10-6 and a top team. We were an average team and if Jackson isn't a flop we should be better.

Yes, it's sad, but we were probably 10 plays away from being a top 8 team in the NFL last year. Some may not remember, but we lost two games by six in which we had punts returned for TDs that were called off, in which both would've been given back to us if the play was reviewable. 8-8 would've put us in the playoffs last year.

We were by no means amazing, but we definitely weren't the horrible, embarrassing team everyone is talking about.

Ok that settles it... you really are just posting here for laughs. You know... if Chicago, New England, San Francisco, Green Bay, Miami, St. Louis, Buffalo and the Jets had all refused to take the field against the Vikes, they would have been 16-0! Damn, we were so close!

There are whole lof of "if" and "could've" scenarios in your post, but not much "the coaching isn't great", "the team lacked discipline that could've prevented penalties at crucial times" or "they need a year or two to develop". You might want to be realistic so it doesn't hurt too much come December.

And who is this "we" you keep referring to? You a linebacker or something?

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:54 pm

elliott70 wrote:Atlanta WIN
at Detroit WIN
at Kansas City (playoff team) WIN
Green Bay WIN
at Chicago (Super Bowl team) LOSS
at Dallas (playoff team) LOSS
Philadelphia (playoff team) WIN
San Diego (playoff team) WIN
at Green Bay WIN
Oakland WIN
at NY Giants (playoff team) LOSS
Detroit WIN
at San Francisco WIN
Chicago (Super Bowl team) LOSS
Washington WIN
at Denver WIN

12 - 4, SECOND BEHIND CHICAGO
LOSE IN NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME!

<Elliott70

I'd rather die a losing Viking fan, then cheer for the Green and Yellow neighbor..it's only football

Go Vikes!

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:07 pm

Fine. Ignore ALL I said but one thing: If all plays were challangable/reviewable we would've made the playoffs last year.

Sorry if you don't have faith in your state Govs, but I do. I'm not claiming we'll win the SuperBowl, but why not be realistically optimistic? One play decides games, change a couple we win a lot more. Aside from three games, we were competitive in all our games.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:09 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:Fine. Ignore ALL I said but one thing: If all plays were challangable/reviewable we would've made the playoffs last year.

Sorry if you don't have faith in your state Govs, but I do. I'm not claiming we'll win the SuperBowl, but why not be realistically optimistic? One play decides games, change a couple we win a lot more. Aside from three games, we were competitive in all our games.

There could be reasons to be optimistic about certain aspects the team (the defense, Adrian Peterson, maybe Tavaris Jackson), but I don't see any reason to be optimistic about ticks in the "win" column.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:25 pm

1st year in a stretch of rebuilding years..the other thing someone said was get an outdoor stadium??? I can't see how adding the weather elements of this state is going to improve there chances to get wins....

unless people think that all those great southern football players will come here to MN to play in freezing weather IDK. I'm not sure what our record has been outdoors since we've had the dome but don't think it's all that great..I'm sure someone will do the MATH on that

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:15 pm

packerboy wrote:Neut, I dont know about that. The Vikings have provided us with so many "most embarrasing days", its hard to choose.

Well, hey, as long as we are at it lets vote"

1. Superbowl loss to KC

2. Superbowl loss to Oakland

3. Superbowl loss to Pittsburg

4. NFC championship loss to Giants.

5. Numerous blowout losses to SF in the playoffs in the 80's

I mean, the list is endless. There is no team around here, nor anywhere else that has been so beaten on in big games.

I won't disagree its a very long list, but #4 is the icing on that cake.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:37 pm

Hmmm. Let's see here. With how the game was played, not how it was reffed, we were an 8-8 team last year. Which sadly would've made the playoffs. So, you keep our defense the same, add a RB who many on ESPN predicted will be better than Addai and give us a more mobile QB and we only win 4 games? Doing all the MATH I'm really not sure how that ADDS up...

Yes, if you just look at the Viking's record last year, then they are probably in so much trouble, but if you actually watched any of the games and know about what's coming in, then you'd know they'll be fine.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:15 am

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:40 am

packerboy wrote:Neut, I dont know about that. The Vikings have provided us with so many "most embarrasing days", its hard to choose.

Well, hey, as long as we are at it lets vote"

1. Superbowl loss to KC

2. Superbowl loss to Oakland

3. Superbowl loss to Pittsburg

4. NFC championship loss to Giants.

5. Numerous blowout losses to SF in the playoffs in the 80's

I mean, the list is endless. There is no team around here, nor anywhere else that has been so beaten on in big games.

packerboy, you're missing what I think was the worst one:

1998 NFC Championship game, at home, against the Atlanta Boofin' Falcons. Arguably the best Viking team ever doesn't even make it to the Super Bowl! They had no business losing that game.

And how about the 1975 NFC playoff game against Dallas that spawned the 'Hail Mary' pass?

Personally, I think the Super Bowl losses were less embarrassing than Denny's two championship game losses, at least they made it to the big game and the teams they lost to weren't the Atlanta Boofin' Falcons or the New York Boofin' Giants.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:02 am

ChrisK wrote:
packerboy, you're missing what I think was the worst one:

1998 NFC Championship game, at home, against the Atlanta Boofin' Falcons. Arguably the best Viking team ever doesn't even make it to the Super Bowl! They had no business losing that game.

"It's Denny Green's fault because they took a knee. If the refs had made them run a play, we would have won Super Bowl XXXIII" -Circlewatcher

ChrisK wrote: And how about the 1975 NFC playoff game against Dallas that spawned the 'Hail Mary' pass?

"It's the refs' fault, because it was a penalty. If they just would've have called interference on Drew Pearson, we would have won Super Bowl X." -Circlewatcher