Goalies 2014-2015

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:09 am

TOP 20 AA Team Goalie Stats Thru Jan 23
(Hockey Hub, Goalies over .900)

Edquist LVN .934
Parent WBL .919
Dittmer Moor .918
Scites PL .915
Wend Hill .914
Kallstd BLN .913
Snow STA .912
Lubbs BVL .909
Long BSM .908
Gerads BL .907
Berger Tnka ..905
Boe Edina .905
Tharld Bemij .904
Duroch EP .902
Jancze CDH .903

Noteworthy

Jacobs SSP .953
Woolever ROS .940
Wartick AV .923
Kuehmchl HOP .918
Roonie And .902 Go Maddie!

SidneysDogHouse · Post by **SidneysDogHouse** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 7:41 am

WestMetro wrote:TOP 20 AA Team Goalie Stats Thru Jan 23
(Hockey Hub, Goalies over .900)

Edquist LVN .934
Parent WBL .919
Dittmer Moor .918
Scites PL .915
Wend Hill .914
Kallstd BLN .913
Snow STA .912
Lubbs BVL .909
Long BSM .908
Gerads BL .907
Berger Tnka ..905
Boe Edina .905
Tharld Bemij .904
Duroch EP .902
Jancze CDH .903

Noteworthy

Jacobs SSP .953
Woolever ROS .940
Wartick AV .923
Kuehmchl HOP .918
Roonie And .902 Go Maddie!

This is changing quite a bit heading into playoffs...

Stars67 · Post by **Stars67** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:24 am

I am a big fan of save % as far as the best barometer of quality goaltending. However, in the day and age of padding the stats and poor stat keeping it is only as good as the person marking them down. There should be an audit of stats submitted. I know Andover and Elk River are notorious for inflated shot totals... The inflation goes to both teams so its not like its unfair to the other team but on a statewide basis, it isn't right.

That being said... 2 of my favorites who are underrated are

Bob Parenteau out of WBL
Spencer Olson out of Anoka

In my opinion Parenteau should have been a National Camp guy last year and was the best AA Bantam goalie in the state last year. He clearly is having an impact on WBL successes this year.

Olson was a National Camp guy as a 15 year old, was snubbed from the 51s in favor of a lesser goalie in a kid from Blaine (Aus was the section coach). Anoka would not be where they are right now without him. He has consistantly stolen games. Also, to note the back up goalie has played in most of Anoka's games against inferior competition. Hence not allowing the ability to "Pad the Stats"

Those are my 2 young guns to keep an eye out for.

ERPWA Hockey · Post by **ERPWA Hockey** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:17 am

WestMetro wrote:TOP 20 AA Team Goalie Stats Thru Jan 23
(Hockey Hub, Goalies over .900)

Edquist LVN .934
Parent WBL .919
Dittmer Moor .918
Scites PL .915
Wend Hill .914
Kallstd BLN .913
Snow STA .912
Lubbs BVL .909
Long BSM .908
Gerads BL .907
Berger Tnka ..905
Boe Edina .905
Tharld Bemij .904
Duroch EP .902
Jancze CDH .903

Noteworthy

Jacobs SSP .953
Woolever ROS .940
Wartick AV .923
Kuehmchl HOP .918
Roonie And .902 Go Maddie!

WestMetro did you purposely leave off the ER goalie? You know the one you posted was a washed up 15 year old last fall and would not start one varsity game for ER this year?

If you’re going to post list like this make them accurate, otherwise you have zero credibility.

Stars67 · Post by **Stars67** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:31 am

ERPWA I wouldn't include a goalie who plays on one of the best teams in the state who just recently got his save % into the .900s in the top goalies in the state conversation. Your son, er I mean the kid played very well against Duluth East. Not taking anything away, he just hasn't earned the right to be elite yet. Elk river should go to the state tourney... The only question mark unfortunately lies in the crease.

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ERPWA Hockey · Post by **ERPWA Hockey** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:52 am

Stars67 wrote:ERPWA I wouldn't include a goalie who plays on one of the best teams in the state who just recently got his save % into the .900s in the top goalies in the state conversation. Your son, er I mean the kid played very well against Duluth East. Not taking anything away, he just hasn't earned the right to be elite yet. Elk river should go to the state tourney... The only question mark unfortunately lies in the crease.

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Stars67 - Metro's list is the Top 20 AA teams Goalie Stats - Not the Top Elite Goalies. You want the top Elite MN Goalie conversation go to the Brismak thread because many of the goalies on this list including the ER goalie are not in that consideration.

sticksave · Post by **sticksave** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:53 am

Hey Starz
In the ER goalies last 5 games he has had only 3 goals scored on him and posted 3 shut outs. I think that question is answered as well as it can be. They're kids. Who knows who is going to hold up in the big games. By the way I'm not his Dad and I don't live in ER

MWS coach · Post by **MWS coach** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:56 am

Stars, Calling out Andover and ER for padding stats??? Troll....

MWS coach · Post by **MWS coach** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:57 am

What about David Mulligan from Irondale, pretty impressive stats playing for a team that does not provide a lot of support. Stats can be good, but they only tell a small part of the story. Do your research....

NLHockey · Post by **NLHockey** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:40 am

MWS coach wrote:What about David Mulligan from Irondale, pretty impressive stats playing for a team that does not provide a lot of support. Stats can be good, but they only tell a small part of the story. Do your research....

Ok, now we're talking.....lets start with the premise that a goalie, is in large part, only as good as the defense and in front of him and forward support around him/her........how many D men on these teams are D1 recruits or played Elite Leagues/Adv 15-16-17s?

Edquist LVN .934
Parent WBL .919
Dittmer Moor .918
Scites PL .915
Wend Hill .914
Kallstd BLN .913
Snow STA .912
Lubbs BVL .909
Long BSM .908
Gerads BL .907
Berger Tnka ..905
Boe Edina .905
Tharld Bemij .904
Duroch EP .902
Jancze CDH .903

Jacobs SSP .953
Woolever ROS .940
Wartick AV .923
Kuehmchl HOP .918
Roonie And .902 Go Maddie!

I don't have time to go look up all the stats but this article is a nice reference to start with:

http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/high-sc ... 14-edition
Looking at this article...one could argue the top 5 players in each class (at least at the beginning of the season):
Senior
• Dylan Malmquist-F-Edina(Notre Dame)
• Jake Jaremko-F-Elk River(Minnesota State)
• Christiano Versich-F-St. Thomas(Colorado College)
• Ben Newhouse-D-Benilde(Union)
• Seamus Donohue-D-St. Thomas(Air Force)
Juniors
• Garrett Wait-F-Edina(Minnesota)
• Max Zimmer-F-Wayzata(Wisconsin)
• Matt Kiersted-D-Elk River(North Dakota)
• Nick Swaney-F-Lakeville South(Minnesota Duluth)
• Will Garin-F-Holy Family(UConn)
Soph
• Matt Anderson-D-Holy Family(Minnesota-Duluth)
• Casey Mittelstadt-F-Eden Prairie(Minnesota)
• Sam Huff-F-Maple Grove
• Hank Sorenson-D-Wayzata
• Kevin Fellows-F-Prior Lake

Fresh
Mikey Anderson-D-Hill-Murray(Minnesota-Duluth)
Jaxon Nelson-F-Luverne
K’Andre Miller-F-Minnetonka
Jacob Sibell-G-Providence Academy
Dylan Mills-F-Hill-Murray

Furthermore:
Elks: Keirsted - listed as #3 Jr in state, Hallbeck, Bouten played Blades or higher...along with additional support of forward Jaremko (#2 Sr) -- looking at only at 7AA, I don't see any top 5's there for Duluth East, Rapids, Andover, STMA, CEC. One could argue Elks goalie save % should look more like Edquist and guys (and gal) like Howg/Gerth/Rooney/Newman/Hayden could look a lot worse.

I think you have to look at SOS, support (D and F), and quality scoring chances allowed to get an accurate look at goalies. I know there is research ongoing in the NHL about shot quality and goalie evaluation. US and some say MN seem to be falling behind in developing quality goaltenders. Maybe we "crown" them too early... same goalies every year on the Elite teams- every other goalie then gets left behind. We know goalies develop later - why then do we wonder about quality when 1 goalie per community is promoted along at the age of 15 (heck some are crowned as 8 year olds)? Just my 2cents. Im no expert.

MWS coach · Post by **MWS coach** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:27 am

Makes some sense NLH, what is missing is this list of players are not on this list necessarily for their d zone prowess, they are on the list first and foremost for their offensive zone skill set. Not saying some of these players are not good two way players, but I am also smart enough to know (and guessing you are too) that I don't see ANY stay at home D on this list, nor third line grinders that are essential in keeping pucks out of the net.

Your example of ER brings up another point, ER is for the most part a run and gun team, not a clog up the middle D first team like a DE. Just Sayin!

Skill set of second and third line also comes into play. Taking nothing away from Edquist, but how many goalies have similar stats with that team playing in front of them? Not just the top end players, but the depth as wel....

NLHockey · Post by **NLHockey** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:42 am

MWS coach wrote:Makes some sense NLH, what is missing is this list of players are not on this list necessarily for their d zone prowess, they are on the list first and foremost for their offensive zone skill set. Not saying some of these players are not good two way players, but I am also smart enough to know (and guessing you are too) that I don't see ANY stay at home D on this list, nor third line grinders that are essential in keeping pucks out of the net.

Your example of ER brings up another point, ER is for the most part a run and gun team, not a clog up the middle D first team like a DE. Just Sayin!

Skill set of second and third line also comes into play. Taking nothing away from Edquist, but how many goalies have similar stats with that team playing in front of them? Not just the top end players, but the depth as wel....

You make some interesting points. Not sure how you would quantify depth and defensive schemes. Going to have to think on that some.

C-dad · Post by **C-dad** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:44 am

So Boe at Edina has committed to UNO

...to play DI golf.

Best of luck to him!

ThePuckStopsHere · Post by **ThePuckStopsHere** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:00 pm

Stars67 wrote:I am a big fan of save % as far as the best barometer of quality goaltending. However, in the day and age of padding the stats and poor stat keeping it is only as good as the person marking them down. There should be an audit of stats submitted. I know Andover and Elk River are notorious for inflated shot totals... The inflation goes to both teams so its not like its unfair to the other team but on a statewide basis, it isn't right.

That being said... 2 of my favorites who are underrated are

Bob Parenteau out of WBL
Spencer Olson out of Anoka

In my opinion Parenteau should have been a National Camp guy last year and was the best AA Bantam goalie in the state last year. He clearly is having an impact on WBL successes this year.

Olson was a National Camp guy as a 15 year old, was snubbed from the 51s in favor of a lesser goalie in a kid from Blaine (Aus was the section coach). Anoka would not be where they are right now without him. He has consistantly stolen games. Also, to note the back up goalie has played in most of Anoka's games against inferior competition. Hence not allowing the ability to "Pad the Stats"

Those are my 2 young guns to keep an eye out for.

Boy the Goalie Dads are out and about full force today. Not to bitter over last years final 54 are ya DAD

Bitter party of one.

CreaseMonkey · Post by **CreaseMonkey** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:31 pm

MWS coach wrote:
Skill set of second and third line also comes into play. Taking nothing away from Edquist, but how many goalies have similar stats with that team playing in front of them? Not just the top end players, but the depth as well....

Bingo! Nothing against Edquist, but he had 1 qame all year where he saw 30 or more shots. Compare that with Murray from Virginia who had 5 where he DID NOT see at least 30 shots. Murryay's .911% is much more impressive to me, especially considering the team (or lack of) he has in front of him.

NLHockey · Post by **NLHockey** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:38 pm

CreaseMonkey wrote:
MWS coach wrote:
Skill set of second and third line also comes into play. Taking nothing away from Edquist, but how many goalies have similar stats with that team playing in front of them? Not just the top end players, but the depth as well....
Bingo! Nothing against Edquist, but he had 1 qame all year where he saw 30 or more shots. Compare that with Murray from Virginia who had 5 where he DID NOT see at least 30 shots. Murryay's .911% is much more impressive to me, especially considering the team (or lack of) he has in front of him.

And quality of shots -- shots from the outside or trickle in are a whole different story. Murray is fantastic - he's also had lots of opportunity to be seen and recruited. I wonder where he will end up - I would much rather have a guy like that who could steal you a few games and shown poise under intense pressure than one hiding behind a great team (there's some risk in that)

nahc · Post by **nahc** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:56 pm

Ah but you see, Edquist does NOT have super DEFENSIVE defensemen playing in front of him.... The D are good puck handlers, can make the break out pass, and play point on the power play (which are all great attributes!!!) but they aren't shut down D who block shots, take out the guy in front of the net, play the body when needed, take the hit in the corners to clear the puck, or do a lot of those things that make a goalies life easier. What DOES make Edquist's life a lot more fun is the offense that North produces....... the Poehlings and the second line spend a ton of time in the offensive end, score, and put tons of pressure on the opposing forwards to do the same............ just one opinion....

Mouse in the corner · Post by **Mouse in the corner** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:01 pm

nahc wrote:Ah but you see, Edquist does NOT have super DEFENSIVE defensemen playing in front of him.... The D are good puck handlers, can make the break out pass, and play point on the power play (which are all great attributes!!!) but they aren't shut down D who block shots, take out the guy in front of the net, play the body when needed, take the hit in the corners to clear the puck, or do a lot of those things that make a goalies life easier. What DOES make Edquist's life a lot more fun is the offense that North produces....... the Poehlings and the second line spend a ton of time in the offensive end, score, and put tons of pressure on the opposing forwards to do the same............ just one opinion....

So would you say that a goalie who played against them and gave up 4 goals on 40 shots is better or worse than he is when he got 10 shots on him, most of which were from the perimeter and he gave up 1 goal? Each has about a 90% but one has a 4GAA and one has a 1GAA. Personally I know which one I would take a chance on.

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:15 pm

As to Elk River, I see Meyer is at .905 on the Hub Stat Board as of today.

He is a key reason they have achieved their great record this year.

If for some reason he was over .900 on the Hub Jan 23 report and I missed him, then I of course apologize for that mistake

Im simply posting the Hub data for the top 20 AA teams where goalie save percent is over .900, for goalies with significant minutes.

Im not making any statement about whether that is the best metric, or where is might be better for one team or another, or one goalie or the other.

I dont believe any of my past posts have been derogatory about any goalie at any time, much less Elk Rivers where I knew nothing about the kids that were coming up thru the system . I may have asked others opinions, as I do in cases where I know nothing about the kids myself.

Hopefully this will clarify any questions .

West Metro

SidneysDogHouse · Post by **SidneysDogHouse** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:25 pm

nahc wrote:Ah but you see, Edquist does NOT have super DEFENSIVE defensemen playing in front of him.... The D are good puck handlers, can make the break out pass, and play point on the power play (which are all great attributes!!!) but they aren't shut down D who block shots, take out the guy in front of the net, play the body when needed, take the hit in the corners to clear the puck, or do a lot of those things that make a goalies life easier. What DOES make Edquist's life a lot more fun is the offense that North produces....... the Poehlings and the second line spend a ton of time in the offensive end, score, and put tons of pressure on the opposing forwards to do the same............ just one opinion....

Glad all the sleeping goalie posters are awake, the forum has been a bit dull lately, good to see the goalies speaking out!

Stats of this afternoon.

Top 10 AA

Edquist 0.935 LVN 1
Long 0.921 BSM 10
Kallestad 0.917 Blaine 7
Begley 0.916 Hill Murray 3
Parenteau 0.911 WBL 9
Boe 0.907 Edina 2
Snow 0.906 St. Thomas 4
Meyers 0.905 Elk River 6
Durocher 0.901 Eden Prairie 5
Schilling 0.9 Wayzata 8

Top 20 AA

Edquist 0.935 LVN 1
McKinney 0.935 LVS 18
Scites 0.924 Prior Lake 12
Attebery 0.923 Bemidji 11
Long 0.921 BSM 10
Dittmer 0.921 Moorhead 17
Kallestad 0.917 Blaine 7
Begley 0.916 Hill Murray 3
Parenteau 0.911 WBL 9
Boe 0.907 Edina 2
Snow 0.906 St. Thomas 4
Meyers 0.905 Elk River 6
Lubbe 0.904 Burnsville 15
Jancze 0.902 Cretin 16
Durocher 0.901 EP 5
Schilling 0.9 Wayzata 8
Berger 0.896 Minnetonka 13
Heifort 0.892 Holy Family 14
Overby 0.892 Farmington 19
Gerth 0.892 GR 20

NLHockey · Post by **NLHockey** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:27 pm

WestMetro wrote:As to Elk River, I see Meyer is at .905 on the Hub Stat Board as of today.

He is a key reason they have achieved their great record this year.

If for some reason he was over .900 on the Hub Jan 23 report and I missed him, then I of course apologize for that mistake

Im simply posting the Hub data for the top 20 AA teams where goalie save percent is over .900, for goalies with significant minutes.

Im not making any statement about whether that is the best metric, or where is might be better for one team or another, or one goalie or the other.

I dont believe any of my past posts have been derogatory about any goalie at any time, much less Elk Rivers where I knew nothing about the kids that were coming up thru the system . I may have asked others opinions, as I do in cases where I know nothing about the kids myself.

Hopefully this will clarify any questions .

West Metro

Thick skin is also a very good quality in a goalie (dad)

I thought your post generated interesting discussion....whatcha gonna do? Keep yer chin up.

Stars67 · Post by **Stars67** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:39 pm

ThePuckStopsHere wrote:
Stars67 wrote:I am a big fan of save % as far as the best barometer of quality goaltending. However, in the day and age of padding the stats and poor stat keeping it is only as good as the person marking them down. There should be an audit of stats submitted. I know Andover and Elk River are notorious for inflated shot totals... The inflation goes to both teams so its not like its unfair to the other team but on a statewide basis, it isn't right.

That being said... 2 of my favorites who are underrated are

Bob Parenteau out of WBL
Spencer Olson out of Anoka

In my opinion Parenteau should have been a National Camp guy last year and was the best AA Bantam goalie in the state last year. He clearly is having an impact on WBL successes this year.

Olson was a National Camp guy as a 15 year old, was snubbed from the 51s in favor of a lesser goalie in a kid from Blaine (Aus was the section coach). Anoka would not be where they are right now without him. He has consistantly stolen games. Also, to note the back up goalie has played in most of Anoka's games against inferior competition. Hence not allowing the ability to "Pad the Stats"

Those are my 2 young guns to keep an eye out for.
Boy the Goalie Dads are out and about full force today. Not to bitter over last years final 54 are ya DAD Bitter party of one.

Clearly with my posting history I am a "DAD"... Good try puck stopper... I am just a guy who has worked with both goalies at one point. They are fantastic kids! I hope to see them carry their teams to state this year! Bob got the job done last year getting the Bears through. I expect the same this year. Oh and Olson, he is a fantastic trumpet player! His family wouldn't be found anywhere near one of these boards. I was just making an observation of what I have seen out of these 2.

As for the "padding of stats' I didn't accuse Andover or Elk River of cheating, like I said in the original post they do it both ways, my point was both home rinks are a little quick on the trigger when it comes to shots on goal. I know every goalie I know looks forward to playing at Elk River because traditionally their shot totals are higher.

The padding of the stats comment I made was in reference to a team playing 2 goalies a first string guy who plays the better teams and a second string guy who plays the others. Anoka specifically takes the 2 man approach which doesn't allow the 1st string guy to "Pad the stats" against inferior competition.

Thanks

Troll - a bitter party of one who hates seeing guys get hosed

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:47 pm

NH Hockey/Sidneys/ERPWA and others.......

Yes I have a thick skin, but I felt a need to clarify.

Because, I got a quite intense personal Private Message from someone, whos identity I will not mention here, claiming I was the one who made some unfavorable opinionated comments last fall about upcoming Elk River goalies. In fact, all I had done way back last fall on this thread was simply ask the question who were the likely Elk goalies for the upcoming season, since I believed way back then they were going to be a top 10 team but I had no knowledge of the upcoming goalie kids or the goalie program. The several others who answered my question have their responses and opinions posted earlier on this thread . So everyone can certainly see it was not me

I would appreciate anyone who might think they know who might have sent me the personal private message to help clarify with that person.

NLHockey · Post by **NLHockey** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:55 pm

WestMetro wrote:NH Hockey/Sidneys/ERPWA and others.......

Yes I have a thick skin, but I felt a need to clarify.

Because, I got a quite intense personal Private Message from someone, whos identity I will not mention here, claiming I was the one who made some unfavorable opinionated comments last fall about upcoming Elk River goalies. In fact, all I had done way back last fall on this thread was simply ask the question who were the likely Elk goalies for the upcoming season, since I believed way back then they were going to be a top 10 team but I had no knowledge of the upcoming goalie kids or the goalie program. The several others who answered my question have their responses and opinions posted earlier on this thread . So everyone can certainly see it was not me

I would appreciate anyone who might think they know who might have sent me the personal private message to help clarify with that person.

West - I was referring to said messenger with the thick skin comment. It was pretty clear you had gotten your a&* chewed.

NLHockey · Post by **NLHockey** » Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:58 pm

Everyone just needs to R-E-L-A-X.......