How did it all get so messed up
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keepyourheadup
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Check your posts, How many times have you questioned my motives? Its an atttack if I question yours? If you truly believe that those involved in the situation two years ago have "moved on", I can say with certainty that isn't the case. Trust me, it is absolutely connected. My perspective works for me, obviously yours works for you. If this happened in the majority of associations wouldn't there be a need for 20 more private schools to house all the disgruntled players? Your punctuation says it all about the remark, don't back peddle now. As this is your chosen form of communication and your clearly skilled at ripping other people but overly sensitve when its returned we best let it end. It was the emails that pissed everyone off in the first place.
I've never even mentioned or alluded to your "motives"... (motive for what?) We've been discussing why others left and the affect (or non-affect) on our own kids/team. and, likewise my "motives" for what?...
We don't agree - fine. All I'm saying is the personal stuff aint necessary.
I never said "all" moved on from two years ago - I said, I and the coach did - better than many.
I'm not "back-peddling" from anything. I honestly was not considering your other son's experience with this same group - My bad.... As I said, I understand your frustration more, but still, what can ya do?...
I'm not trying to "rip" anyone. Just defending myself and my opinions which you seem to deem unworthy because I didn't spend the last 35 years in an arena...??? That doesn't make much sense to me.
I jumped back in here because "Fred" saw fit to "sum up" for everyone and (as far as I'm concerned) got the "timeline" wrong again (first the kids - then the coach - as YOU also have pointed out...) I ended that post with "nothing happened"... You took exception... Sorry, but it's still my take on the whole thing.
Move on? - Absolutely! - Good idea!
[quote="keepyourheadup"]Check your posts, How many times have you questioned my motives? Its an atttack if I question yours? If you truly believe that those involved in the situation two years ago have "moved on", I can say with certainty that isn't the case. Trust me, it is absolutely connected. My perspective works for me, obviously yours works for you. If this happened in the majority of associations wouldn't there be a need for 20 more private schools to house all the disgruntled players? Your punctuation says it all about the remark, don't back peddle now. As this is your chosen form of communication and your clearly skilled at ripping other people but overly sensitve when its returned we best let it end. It was the emails that pissed everyone off in the first place.[/quote]
We don't agree - fine. All I'm saying is the personal stuff aint necessary.
I never said "all" moved on from two years ago - I said, I and the coach did - better than many.
I'm not "back-peddling" from anything. I honestly was not considering your other son's experience with this same group - My bad.... As I said, I understand your frustration more, but still, what can ya do?...
I'm not trying to "rip" anyone. Just defending myself and my opinions which you seem to deem unworthy because I didn't spend the last 35 years in an arena...??? That doesn't make much sense to me.
I jumped back in here because "Fred" saw fit to "sum up" for everyone and (as far as I'm concerned) got the "timeline" wrong again (first the kids - then the coach - as YOU also have pointed out...) I ended that post with "nothing happened"... You took exception... Sorry, but it's still my take on the whole thing.
Move on? - Absolutely! - Good idea!
[quote="keepyourheadup"]Check your posts, How many times have you questioned my motives? Its an atttack if I question yours? If you truly believe that those involved in the situation two years ago have "moved on", I can say with certainty that isn't the case. Trust me, it is absolutely connected. My perspective works for me, obviously yours works for you. If this happened in the majority of associations wouldn't there be a need for 20 more private schools to house all the disgruntled players? Your punctuation says it all about the remark, don't back peddle now. As this is your chosen form of communication and your clearly skilled at ripping other people but overly sensitve when its returned we best let it end. It was the emails that pissed everyone off in the first place.[/quote]
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fromthecrease
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What you are failing to recognize is that there is a problem with the association as a whole. The only thing you can comment on is that "the kids left first and then the coach left". You acknowledge these points that are being made, but are not addressing them. Knowing the coach, the situations, and the history of the whole thing, why would these kids choose to leave a team that had a great opportunity to do something at Lakeville that had never been done before? Keepyourheadup said these kids were comitted to playing at Lakeville, you yourself said the coach evidently talked with the players before tryouts. You assume these players were informing him of their intentions to leave, how do you know he wasn't informing them of his job opportunity (which you fail to recognize), and that he was trying to bring someone else in to co-head coach with him and he was running into resistance at the board level. You know he is dealing with kids who have to declare their intentions now as 9th graders and the way for them to best make their decision is to be informed. The scenario was starting to play out like it always had and these kids had seen that show and had no desire to be part of it again. The way it all went down is the Lakeville Hockey way, all glory and no substance, step on whoever to promote #1. Keep the 10% happy and the other 90% will just go away, in the end what do you have? A weakened hockey program. Six kids don't just up and leave for another bantam team less than a month before tryouts, that is not a normal thing in any association, in fact I don't ever recall that happening ever. This situation will come up again in Lakeville, pretty soon it will come to a head with the North bantams (peewee coach's have a falling out when expectations are not met) and in a few years with the South bantams again. The circle will continue until the program dwindles, while every kid with any potential says screw this I am out of here. What is Lakeville hockey left with? I think am starting to understand what the Varsity high school coach means when he says he doesn't consider Lakeville Hockey Association a feeder program for his high school.
What you are failing to recognize is that there is a problem with the association as a whole. The only thing you can comment on is that "the kids left first and then the coach left". You acknowledge these points that are being made, but are not addressing them. Knowing the coach, the situations, and the history of the whole thing, why would these kids choose to leave a team that had a great opportunity to do something at Lakeville that had never been done before? Keepyourheadup said these kids were comitted to playing at Lakeville, you yourself said the coach evidently talked with the players before tryouts. You assume these players were informing him of their intentions to leave, how do you know he wasn't informing them of his job opportunity (which you fail to recognize), and that he was trying to bring someone else in to co-head coach with him and he was running into resistance at the board level. You know he is dealing with kids who have to declare their intentions now as 9th graders and the way for them to best make their decision is to be informed. The scenario was starting to play out like it always had and these kids had seen that show and had no desire to be part of it again. The way it all went down is the Lakeville Hockey way, all glory and no substance, step on whoever to promote #1. Keep the 10% happy and the other 90% will just go away, in the end what do you have? A weakened hockey program. Six kids don't just up and leave for another bantam team less than a month before tryouts, that is not a normal thing in any association, in fact I don't ever recall that happening ever. This situation will come up again in Lakeville, pretty soon it will come to a head with the North bantams (peewee coach's have a falling out when expectations are not met) and in a few years with the South bantams again. The circle will continue until the program dwindles, while every kid with any potential says screw this I am out of here. What is Lakeville hockey left with? I think am starting to understand what the Varsity high school coach means when he says he doesn't consider Lakeville Hockey Association a feeder program for his high school.
YO! - I've "responded" to it all....
Are you finally acknowledging that the kids left first?! - or am I "misunderstanding"?....
I've addressed why I think the kids left (again - readers? - you be the judge!)...
Bottom line for me is: "I don't care!".... Not because I (or my kids) are "afraid of competition", but because, what can you do about other people's decisions???!!!
Parent - non-parent..... yawn.....
Are you finally acknowledging that the kids left first?! - or am I "misunderstanding"?....
I've addressed why I think the kids left (again - readers? - you be the judge!)...
Bottom line for me is: "I don't care!".... Not because I (or my kids) are "afraid of competition", but because, what can you do about other people's decisions???!!!
Parent - non-parent..... yawn.....
And.... as far as:
"""you yourself said the coach evidently talked with the players before tryouts. You assume these players were informing him of their intentions to leave, how do you know he wasn't informing them of his job opportunity (which you fail to recognize)"""
What are you talking about??!! - Never said anything close!!!
and 90% will just go away???!!!
Now THAT would be interesting!!!
"""you yourself said the coach evidently talked with the players before tryouts. You assume these players were informing him of their intentions to leave, how do you know he wasn't informing them of his job opportunity (which you fail to recognize)"""
What are you talking about??!! - Never said anything close!!!
and 90% will just go away???!!!
Now THAT would be interesting!!!
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fromthecrease
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Reading back on the posts, that was keep yourheadup that referred to the coach bringing the kids in and talking to them before tryouts. My apologies for misquoting you.
Where we disagree on this thread is that you beleive that Lakeville Hockey is doing its job and operating as it should and seem satisfied, it sounds like your happy. That is important and a good thing.
I am on the otherside, I think Lakeville Hockey and its board has major flaws and no set criteria for how they handle development and coaching. They elect a board by a vote consisting of 10% of the population and the coaching staffs on almost all 'A' teams have incredibley strong ties to the board and in most cases are on the board. Parent or Non-parent, each team has a board member dad coach on its staff except Lakeville North bantams, where is that board member's focus? On his team, his son, or his duties as a board member to work towards improving all players in the association?
Question is would you be happy if you were 0-3 right now? Right now your playing average competition at best and circumstances being what they are you will play average to poor competition during league play, your team will never be pushed to excel for fear of failure and parent revolt because of a loss. That in the end is not good for the teams development and these kids saw that coming, they weren't going to get better with what was transpiring. The biggest mistakes are results of not trying, in the end what message is Lakeville Hockey sending to it's players; to always take the past of least resistance.
The fact is that the incidents I have spoke of over the course of the years have had an impact on why these kids chose to leave, more so than you think and are willing to admit or address. I have heard more stories of players sticking around in bantams for a shot at a state title than moving on. So why the revolt in Lakeville?
In the end you reap what you sow, Lakeville is getting what they deserve.
Where we disagree on this thread is that you beleive that Lakeville Hockey is doing its job and operating as it should and seem satisfied, it sounds like your happy. That is important and a good thing.
I am on the otherside, I think Lakeville Hockey and its board has major flaws and no set criteria for how they handle development and coaching. They elect a board by a vote consisting of 10% of the population and the coaching staffs on almost all 'A' teams have incredibley strong ties to the board and in most cases are on the board. Parent or Non-parent, each team has a board member dad coach on its staff except Lakeville North bantams, where is that board member's focus? On his team, his son, or his duties as a board member to work towards improving all players in the association?
Question is would you be happy if you were 0-3 right now? Right now your playing average competition at best and circumstances being what they are you will play average to poor competition during league play, your team will never be pushed to excel for fear of failure and parent revolt because of a loss. That in the end is not good for the teams development and these kids saw that coming, they weren't going to get better with what was transpiring. The biggest mistakes are results of not trying, in the end what message is Lakeville Hockey sending to it's players; to always take the past of least resistance.
The fact is that the incidents I have spoke of over the course of the years have had an impact on why these kids chose to leave, more so than you think and are willing to admit or address. I have heard more stories of players sticking around in bantams for a shot at a state title than moving on. So why the revolt in Lakeville?
In the end you reap what you sow, Lakeville is getting what they deserve.
I'm done here guys - "Really" - this time. I feel like I'm supposed to apologize because I'm satisfied with how things are going. Sorry, I just am - and if those 6 kids were still here along with the other coach? I'm pretty sure I'd still be satisfied. Those are some good kids - and I had heard a lot of good things about the coach who left. - Yep, No way to know for sure, but I think so...
We disagree on some things. I have no problem with that and this board is a place to explore those differences and try to find some "answers" or at least some common ground and, if that don't work - we vent a little. It's interesting, for sure. I thought most of it was worthwhile but I think the horse has been beaten way past death.
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We disagree on some things. I have no problem with that and this board is a place to explore those differences and try to find some "answers" or at least some common ground and, if that don't work - we vent a little. It's interesting, for sure. I thought most of it was worthwhile but I think the horse has been beaten way past death.
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fromthecrease
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In the end, I wish you and your team the best of luck. Hopefully these conversations will encourage people to consider a very important word, perspective. Youth hockey is for everybody at all levels. Taking into consideration simple things at a board level such as:
1.) Board members should be just that. Their responsibilites are as parents first, board members second. Adding coaching to that list of responsibilities takes away from there main focus, developing their child and his/her hockey program.
2.)Promoting use of non-parent coaches at squirts, peewees and bantams, if a parent wants coach, encourage them to coach at a different level than their sons.
3.)Develop a set of criteria all coaches need to follow and enforce that. Base coaching decisions on criteria established, not by the 10%.
4.)Support and develop coaches, recognize the importance of kids being around different coaches thoughout their development. Having Johnny's dad from mites through bantams provides only one version. In order to broaden their knowledge base they need to have different point of views, this helps not only in hockey, but also is a life skill.
5.)Attitude! Encourage kids, coaches, and parents to push themselves. By playing better competition, players have to work together as a team in order to compete and win against the better teams. Is that a core value to teach in hockey? Team work, dedication, support of teammates and coaches, hard work and effort are all required when playing againt the best. Playing weaker competition in order to "keep the wins coming" because then people can't complain is the easy way out and does nothing for the kids.
These types of things create a learning atmosphere, a place where kids can develop and be challenged, which is what they want. When they don't get it they leave.
Good luck this season.
1.) Board members should be just that. Their responsibilites are as parents first, board members second. Adding coaching to that list of responsibilities takes away from there main focus, developing their child and his/her hockey program.
2.)Promoting use of non-parent coaches at squirts, peewees and bantams, if a parent wants coach, encourage them to coach at a different level than their sons.
3.)Develop a set of criteria all coaches need to follow and enforce that. Base coaching decisions on criteria established, not by the 10%.
4.)Support and develop coaches, recognize the importance of kids being around different coaches thoughout their development. Having Johnny's dad from mites through bantams provides only one version. In order to broaden their knowledge base they need to have different point of views, this helps not only in hockey, but also is a life skill.
5.)Attitude! Encourage kids, coaches, and parents to push themselves. By playing better competition, players have to work together as a team in order to compete and win against the better teams. Is that a core value to teach in hockey? Team work, dedication, support of teammates and coaches, hard work and effort are all required when playing againt the best. Playing weaker competition in order to "keep the wins coming" because then people can't complain is the easy way out and does nothing for the kids.
These types of things create a learning atmosphere, a place where kids can develop and be challenged, which is what they want. When they don't get it they leave.
Good luck this season.
really? wrote:I'm done here guys - "Really" - this time. I feel like I'm supposed to apologize because I'm satisfied with how things are going. Sorry, I just am - and if those 6 kids were still here along with the other coach? I'm pretty sure I'd still be satisfied. Those are some good kids - and I had heard a lot of good things about the coach who left. - Yep, No way to know for sure, but I think so...
We disagree on some things. I have no problem with that and this board is a place to explore those differences and try to find some "answers" or at least some common ground and, if that don't work - we vent a little. It's interesting, for sure. I thought most of it was worthwhile but I think the horse has been beaten way past death.
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I am thinking you should drop the gloves, buckets and go!
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BringRollieBack!!
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Excuse me if this issue has been raised, but I did skim most of the postings and what I did not read was any comments about the high school coach...does anyone one think that maybe that is a big reason why these kids leave Lakeville..
All of these kids would have probably made the South High school squad and received tons of minutes, but maybe they wanted to actually get coached as well. Playing time alone won't help you to move on to the next level.
I would rather see my son play less while receiveing more(coaching)
If these kids wanted the best chance to develop into college level players...then they made the right move.
All of these kids would have probably made the South High school squad and received tons of minutes, but maybe they wanted to actually get coached as well. Playing time alone won't help you to move on to the next level.
I would rather see my son play less while receiveing more(coaching)
If these kids wanted the best chance to develop into college level players...then they made the right move.
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keepyourheadup
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A very real possibility, The current coach can best be described as unproven. Only in third year and had no seniors in his first. I'd have to say the jury is still out on this one. It seems you must know something more? I tend to believe a D1 prospect will likely survive any coach but who knows, like most of the rest of us I've never been in a position to make that call. With so many factors involved your guess is as good as mine as to why it all happened, but If these kids passed up a chance to play Lake conference hockey as freshman and had the ability to compete at that level I question how a coach could negatively affect their development. Very few kids have made this jump and most that have were blue chip players that were allready on the college radar. The bigger question nowdays is what connections does a coach have to help players move to the next level? Most of the coaches at your top programs are wired into D1, ushl, and nahl connections, I think we must consider this as well as their ability to coach. I don't know if the current coach has these resources available but its something to consider.
breakout wrote:Is Breakout really tomASS? Can anyone answer this?really? wrote:I'm done here guys - "Really" - this time. I feel like I'm supposed to apologize because I'm satisfied with how things are going. Sorry, I just am - and if those 6 kids were still here along with the other coach? I'm pretty sure I'd still be satisfied. Those are some good kids - and I had heard a lot of good things about the coach who left. - Yep, No way to know for sure, but I think so...
We disagree on some things. I have no problem with that and this board is a place to explore those differences and try to find some "answers" or at least some common ground and, if that don't work - we vent a little. It's interesting, for sure. I thought most of it was worthwhile but I think the horse has been beaten way past death.
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I am thinking you should drop the gloves, buckets and go!
Life's simple, but some insist on making it hard
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Logical hockey person? Where?jackstraw wrote:I brought this back up to get an honest account of the situation from a logical hockey person. Bman, you are absurd.
Shhhhhh....... Wrong website. This is a site for know it alls. Some people even hang out in the youth hockey site even thought they don't have kids in youth hockey. No names, but they would be ass's to do so.
Some people spend endless hours sharing their brilliant hockey minds. I'm a better more complete person for it. Thanks hockey gods.
Life's simple, but some insist on making it hard
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Hmmm some of us still work with youth athletes and you know elliot doesn't have kids in youth hockey anymore, so what are you call him?BoogeyMan wrote: Some people even hang out in the youth hockey site even thought they don't have kids in youth hockey. No names, but they would be ass's to do so.
Some people spend endless hours sharing their brilliant hockey minds. I'm a better more complete person for it. Thanks hockey gods.
jackstraw, my apologies
Did we play in D6? - no
"First Test"? - no
"Moose Goheen"? - no
but:
The team is 24-14-3 overall (i believe). One tournament win, one 3rd, and one we'd rather not talk about. The few minor injuries we've had have been to the bigger guys on the team. I believe the coaches have done an admirable job under tough circumstances. I think a lot of kids have learned a lot of hockey. It's been fun. I've spoken to none of them personally, but all the "rumors" are about which of "the 6" are coming back next year...
- Can't speak for anyone else - I'm still satisfied.
"First Test"? - no
"Moose Goheen"? - no
but:
The team is 24-14-3 overall (i believe). One tournament win, one 3rd, and one we'd rather not talk about. The few minor injuries we've had have been to the bigger guys on the team. I believe the coaches have done an admirable job under tough circumstances. I think a lot of kids have learned a lot of hockey. It's been fun. I've spoken to none of them personally, but all the "rumors" are about which of "the 6" are coming back next year...
- Can't speak for anyone else - I'm still satisfied.
Very solid season, hopefully the kids are satisfied tooreally? wrote:Did we play in D6? - no
"First Test"? - no
"Moose Goheen"? - no
but:
The team is 24-14-3 overall (i believe). One tournament win, one 3rd, and one we'd rather not talk about. The few minor injuries we've had have been to the bigger guys on the team. I believe the coaches have done an admirable job under tough circumstances. I think a lot of kids have learned a lot of hockey. It's been fun. I've spoken to none of them personally, but all the "rumors" are about which of "the 6" are coming back next year...
- Can't speak for anyone else - I'm still satisfied.
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skateguymn
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My association went through this situation 4 - 5 years ago at the peewee/bantam level. A group of last year PW's and bantams went to play for a AAA team during winter. They were not happy with the development opportunities being offered by the association at the time. Other circumstatnces involved as well but let's just leave it at that.
There were 2 distinct sides of the feud, those that stayed with the association and those that left, it turned into the Hatfields and McCoys.
Obviously, time has passed and the boys are now in high school level and some are gone/quit. That one year impacted the relationships between the boys and the families so terribly that the rift remains today.
After the boys came back to the association the following year, our Bantam and High School coaches had to deal with fights between the boys on and off the ice. The parents kept to themselves, sat in separate areas of the rink.
Do yourself a favor and remember that everything you say about other parents and families is taken to heart by your boys. Hostility that you hold for other parents will eventually get to your child. You will find that the boys will develop that same hatred for each other. They have to live with each other in nearly every sport and in class, not just in the stands for a couple hour a night/week.
This all happened in a community that has some fo the best public schools in the state (all of the boys were/are good students), mid to high income (not that that matters), generally speaking very quality people - 2 groups of parents started a feud that eventually impacted the kids ONLY oppotunity to enjoy a youth hockey experience. Both sides had good reason for doing what they did. No one was right, no one was wrong.
Based on actual events I can tell you without any question EVERYONE will lose in the long run.
My advise? Take the high road, do not let others actions get to you. DO NOT LET YOUR CHILD'S EXPERIENCE IN YOUTH HOCKEY BE STAINED BY OTHER FAMILIES DECISIONS. Hockey, Baseball, Football, Lacrosse....They are games. For kids. They are not meant to be barometers for how effective of a parent we are.
There were 2 distinct sides of the feud, those that stayed with the association and those that left, it turned into the Hatfields and McCoys.
Obviously, time has passed and the boys are now in high school level and some are gone/quit. That one year impacted the relationships between the boys and the families so terribly that the rift remains today.
After the boys came back to the association the following year, our Bantam and High School coaches had to deal with fights between the boys on and off the ice. The parents kept to themselves, sat in separate areas of the rink.
Do yourself a favor and remember that everything you say about other parents and families is taken to heart by your boys. Hostility that you hold for other parents will eventually get to your child. You will find that the boys will develop that same hatred for each other. They have to live with each other in nearly every sport and in class, not just in the stands for a couple hour a night/week.
This all happened in a community that has some fo the best public schools in the state (all of the boys were/are good students), mid to high income (not that that matters), generally speaking very quality people - 2 groups of parents started a feud that eventually impacted the kids ONLY oppotunity to enjoy a youth hockey experience. Both sides had good reason for doing what they did. No one was right, no one was wrong.
Based on actual events I can tell you without any question EVERYONE will lose in the long run.
My advise? Take the high road, do not let others actions get to you. DO NOT LET YOUR CHILD'S EXPERIENCE IN YOUTH HOCKEY BE STAINED BY OTHER FAMILIES DECISIONS. Hockey, Baseball, Football, Lacrosse....They are games. For kids. They are not meant to be barometers for how effective of a parent we are.
Great post!skateguymn wrote:My association went through this situation 4 - 5 years ago at the peewee/bantam level. A group of last year PW's and bantams went to play for a AAA team during winter. They were not happy with the development opportunities being offered by the association at the time. Other circumstatnces involved as well but let's just leave it at that.
There were 2 distinct sides of the feud, those that stayed with the association and those that left, it turned into the Hatfields and McCoys.
Obviously, time has passed and the boys are now in high school level and some are gone/quit. That one year impacted the relationships between the boys and the families so terribly that the rift remains today.
After the boys came back to the association the following year, our Bantam and High School coaches had to deal with fights between the boys on and off the ice. The parents kept to themselves, sat in separate areas of the rink.
Do yourself a favor and remember that everything you say about other parents and families is taken to heart by your boys. Hostility that you hold for other parents will eventually get to your child. You will find that the boys will develop that same hatred for each other. They have to live with each other in nearly every sport and in class, not just in the stands for a couple hour a night/week.
This all happened in a community that has some fo the best public schools in the state (all of the boys were/are good students), mid to high income (not that that matters), generally speaking very quality people - 2 groups of parents started a feud that eventually impacted the kids ONLY oppotunity to enjoy a youth hockey experience. Both sides had good reason for doing what they did. No one was right, no one was wrong.
Based on actual events I can tell you without any question EVERYONE will lose in the long run.
My advise? Take the high road, do not let others actions get to you. DO NOT LET YOUR CHILD'S EXPERIENCE IN YOUTH HOCKEY BE STAINED BY OTHER FAMILIES DECISIONS. Hockey, Baseball, Football, Lacrosse....They are games. For kids. They are not meant to be barometers for how effective of a parent we are.
Thank you.
(where were ya 3 months ago?!)
That's the best post I've seen on this site. I agree completely. This goes back to my theory.
Why do some people worry about other kids and their families?
If the kids wants to play hockey on the moon. Good luck to you. There's no laws that state where kids have to play hockey. As time passes. Other opportunities will will start to prevail.
To each his own.
Like me or not. Great post!
Why do some people worry about other kids and their families?
If the kids wants to play hockey on the moon. Good luck to you. There's no laws that state where kids have to play hockey. As time passes. Other opportunities will will start to prevail.
To each his own.
Like me or not. Great post!
Life's simple, but some insist on making it hard
It can be difficult trying to make what you feel is the best choice for your kid. My experience says...take hockey out of the equation and try to figure out where he is going to be the happiest during the dawg days of April through October.
Also, its not only the dawg days for the kid. Which environment are you most comfortable as a parent?
Also, its not only the dawg days for the kid. Which environment are you most comfortable as a parent?