Who's Not Returning 2014-2015

[BP]

Exlied - Do you have a list compiled somehwere for this year. Where we at in terms of numbers..?

I'm updating the list on the first page of this thread.

Add these kids to your list...

** home town or Mn HS


Name Yr ** Team League
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Victor Morgan 12 SoStPaul Bauer-Emerson 18U NAPHL
Cory Sprague 12 WBLK Bauer-Emerson 18U NAPHL
Mark Sanchez 12 EP Bauer-Emerson 18U NAPHL
Kory Muzzy 12 MSV Bauer-Emerson 18U NAPHL
Sage Broda 12 BSV Bauer-Emerson 18U NAPHL
Charlie Wohlers 11 Maht Bauer-Emmerson 18U NAPHL
Tommy Adams 12 Plymouth Bauer-Emmerson 18U NAPHL
Ryan Norman 12 Maplewood Shattuck St Mary 18U UST1
Collin Saccoman 12 Stillwater Shattuck St Mary 18U UST1
Larry Jungwirth 12 Bloomington Shattuck St Mary 18U UST1
Mitch Kimball 12 Owatonna Shattuck St Mary 18U UST1
Ryan Lindgren 11 Mpls Shattuck St Mary 18U UST1
Jordan Klehr 12 Lino Lakes Shattuck St Mary 18U UST1
Ryan Edquist 10 Lakeville Shattuck St Mary 16U UST1
Mitch Dolter 11 Woodbury Shattuck St Mary 18U UST1
Sam Oden 12 St Louis Pk Shattuck St Mary 18U UST1
Cole Bond 12 Eden Prairie Shattuck St Mary 18U UST1
Marcus Chorney 11 Hastings Shattuck St Mary 18U UST1
Bennett Norlin 10 Farmington Shattuck St Mary 16U UST1
Shaun Olson 11 Faribault Shattuck St Mary 18U UST1
Mason Palmer 10 Plymouth Shattuck St Mary 16U UST1
Grant Mismash 10 Edina Shattuck St Mary 16U UST1
Brock Draeger 10 Lakeville Shattuck St Mary 16U UST1
Erik Dahl 10 Lakeville Shattuck St Mary 16U UST1
Scott Reedy 10 Prior Lake Shattuck St Mary 16U UST1
Austin Pratt 10 Lakeville Shattuck St Mary 16U UST1
Jackson Bond 12 WBLK Twin Cities Steel 20U NA3HL
Tyler Thompson 12 AV Omaha 18U NAPHL
Luke Osterman 12 Stillwater Omaha 18U NAPHL
Garret Martin 12 Vadnais Skipjacks 18U USPHL
Donovan Meyer 12 Vadnais Sugar Land Imperials 20U NA3HL
Cameron Madrid 12 BSV El Paso Rhinos 20U WSHL
Mack Stevens 12 St Paul Casper Coyotes 20U WSHL
Adam Maxfield 12 Austin ?? 20U ??
Kegan Iverson 12 Mpls Portland 20U WHL
Rem Pitlick 12 Plymouth Waterloo Blackhawk 20U USHL
Dante Zapata 10 MplGrove Jr Gamblers 16U NAPHL
Baron Thompson 10 AV Omaha 16U NAPHL
Zach Black 11 Hugo HC Dallas 18U NAPHL
Ty Black 9 Hugo HC Dallas 14U NAPHL
Keenan Johnson 9 Achiever Madison Capitals 16U NAPHL
Aaron Grounds 9 Vadnais Madison Capitals 16U NAPHL

Where can you find these lists of teams/players?

[The Exiled One]

Add these kids to your list...

** home town or Mn HS

To clarify, this list is for kids who played MSHSL varsity hockey in 2013-2014, are eligible to play MSHSL varsity hockey in 2014-2015, but have chosen to play elsewhere instead. Most of the kids on your list left prior to the start of the 2013 season or have never played MSHSL varsity hockey.

The major exception (and I should probably point this out on my list) are the Achiever Academy kids, who I believe are all playing AAA this season.

[OsMetroDad]

Add these kids to your list...

** home town or Mn HS

To clarify, this list is for kids who played MSHSL varsity hockey in 2013-2014, are eligible to play MSHSL varsity hockey in 2014-2015, but have chosen to play elsewhere instead. Most of the kids on your list left prior to the start of the 2013 season or have never played MSHSL varsity hockey.

The major exception (and I should probably point this out on my list) are the Achiever Academy kids, who I believe are all playing AAA this season.

Maybe half, several are playing Jr A's 20U, 18U or 16U somewhere else this year. I think whether they actually played in or could play in MSHSL as varsity is really symantics. By creating or expanding your list to include kids who choose to go play UST1 or some other league, and totally opt-out of MSHSL is painting the whole picture of what you are trying to portray by having your list in the first place. Seems to me that one of the unintended out-comes of this list of kids is showing a trend that the MSHSL is (fast or slowly .. take your pick) simply becoming a two to three year stepping stone for many kids before they go on to play Jr A's to prepare for college hockey (Club, D3 & D1) or have their sights on a Pro league of some level. Example of this would be, Kevin Wolf ('96) from St Paul who probablly never appeared on your past lists. Kevin would have played on alot of MSHSL varsity teams as early as a freshman, but instead chose to play T1 at Chicago Fury 16U for 2 years and then 20U at Seatle (WHL) for 2 more years.

[The Exiled One]

By creating or expanding your list to include kids who choose to go play UST1 or some other league, and totally opt-out of MSHSL is painting the whole picture of what you are trying to portray by having your list in the first place.

Thanks for your input, but I'm portraying exactly what I intend to portray. Feel free to create your own list with your own criteria.

[OsMetroDad]

By creating or expanding your list to include kids who choose to go play UST1 or some other league, and totally opt-out of MSHSL is painting the whole picture of what you are trying to portray by having your list in the first place.

Thanks for your input, but I'm portraying exactly what I intend to portray. Feel free to create your own list with your own criteria.

ok fair enough, so the kid has had to play last year (2013-14) on a MSHSL varsity team, and has (2014-15) MSHSL eligblity this year to be included. Then add these kids ...

Tyler Thompson 12 AV Omaha 18U NAPHL
Garret Martin 12 Vadnais Skipjacks 18U USPHL
Donovan Meyer 12 Vadnais Sugar Land Imperials 20U NA3HL
Cameron Madrid 12 BSV El Paso Rhinos 20U WSHL
Mack Stevens 12 St Paul Casper Coyotes 20U WSHL
Adam Maxfield 12 Austin ?? 20U ??
Dante Zapata 10 MplGrove Jr Gamblers 16U NAPHL
Baron Thompson 10 AV Omaha 16U NAPHL
Zach Black 11 Hugo HC Dallas 18U NAPHL
Keenan Johnson 9 Achiever Madison Capitals 16U NAPHL

[The Exiled One]

ok fair enough, so the kid has had to play last year (2013-14) on a MSHSL varsity team, and has (2014-15) MSHSL eligblity this year to be included. Then add these kids ...

I added all the AA kids with a single notation. How do you know Adam Maxfield is leaving Austin?

[OsMetroDad]

ok fair enough, so the kid has had to play last year (2013-14) on a MSHSL varsity team, and has (2014-15) MSHSL eligblity this year to be included. Then add these kids ...

I added all the AA kids with a single notation. How do you know Adam Maxfield is leaving Austin?

Adam played in a couple of Jr Showcases with my kid, got to know him in St. Louis at the Casper Coyotes/El Paso Rhinos showcase. Adam is a very talented '96 and spending another year at Austin HS at his level of play would be much less than optimal and he and his family are aware of it. He'll find a way onto either a NAHL team or somewhere else for sure.

[Nuts&Bolts]

Anybody keeping track of the kids returning to a high school program? Is the count based only on gross exists or do you consider players returning. LN goalie is a +1 and I think there maybe 2 others on Elite D rosters that were posted (1 for sure that is now going to try some cake). Look forward to the fall season to get rolling since that leads to November.

[WestMetro]

Exiled One

You've got about 17 on your list as of the State Fair start, how many last year at this time?

Do you foresee any possible/likely Elite League selects bailing out before the first practice at Blaine in a week?

How do you view the 24 AA kids, to make things apples and apples with your last years final count of about 40 ?

[oldschoolpuckster]

The AA count is a tough one. Most of those kids could transfer to a public/private and play in the MSHSL this season. Not one of them have chosen that route so should each kid count as "leaving" the MSHSL? I don't know. Technically....yes but AA's team dissolved.

Add
Cameron Madrid to Bauer-Emerson U18 (not El Paso)
Travis Marsh-AA/Burnsville to Bauer-Emerson U18
Victor Morgan-SSP to ???
Larry Jungwirth-Bl. Jefferson/Shattuck to Waterloo USHL
Zach Lambrect-(sp?) Chisago Lakes to Bauer-Emerson U18

[WestMetro]

Followup Questions for Exiled One:

Did all 24 kids transfer into AA right from an MSHSL school or affiliated Bantam program , or did any have a year in between the transfer to AA ( for whatever reason)?

When you say" most AA departs"would have been eligible to still play MSHSL this year, do you have that exact number?

( I suppose that might be the number to consider adding in for comparability, if you had a mind to do so since its your list.)

Otherwise, the list seemingly is going to drop to around 20/low 20s this year, down from 40 a year ago. Seems a bit abrupt all at once.

But, maybe the " top star" skater talent level might be down a bit. By contrast the "star" goalie Early Departs is way up. Maybe some more kids decided to stay with MSHSL senior year, for the many reasons many people have been stating in various threads over the years. No direct knowledge, but for example kids like Malmquist, Muehlbauer, Peterson, Versich.

Also, perhaps more Bantams are enrolling directly to SSM and therefore never become an Early Depart from MSHSL hockey. Has the ratio of SSM in state Minnesota freshman enrollees been rising in recent years, does anyone have that figure?

[BP]

The AA count is a tough one. Most of those kids could transfer to a public/private and play in the MSHSL this season. Not one of them have chosen that route so should each kid count as "leaving" the MSHSL? I don't know. Technically....yes but AA's team dissolved.

Add
Cameron Madrid to Bauer-Emerson U18 (not El Paso)
Travis Marsh-AA/Burnsville to Bauer-Emerson U18
Victor Morgan-SSP to ???
Larry Jungwirth-Bl. Jefferson/Shattuck to Waterloo USHL
Zach Lambrect-(sp?) Chisago Lakes to Bauer-Emerson U18

Madrid isn't from MN. He was one of the 9 kids that were moved off the team at the end of the year for being ineligible. I had heard Marsh was heading back to B'ville, but must have made the switch to U18.

Is there a U18/U16 roster for B-E anywhere?

[oldschoolpuckster]

No official roster as of yet. I just have the scouting info on many of these kids. Not sure why Madrid was pulled, shows that he transferred for the start 9th grade, info on Marsh says B/E U18 for this year.

I know B/E is playing in the NAPHL/NAHL showcase in late September at the Super Rink so a roster should be out soon.

[BP]

No official roster as of yet. I just have the scouting info on many of these kids. Not sure why Madrid was pulled, shows that he transferred for the start 9th grade, info on Marsh says B/E U18 for this year.

I know B/E is playing in the NAPHL/NAHL showcase in late September at the Super Rink so a roster should be out soon.

I think because his parents didn't live here (Madrid). All the out of state kids were pulled because they weren't living with their parents, staying with oher families, etc

[WestMetro]

Sounds like a comparable number to last years 40 might be in the range of 30, by the time you add in "comparable " AA kids and allowing for some more early departs before regular season begins.

[The Exiled One]

Sorry, I've been off the grid for a while.

Adam is a very talented '96 and spending another year at Austin HS at his level of play would be much less than optimal and he and his family are aware of it. He'll find a way onto either a NAHL team or somewhere else for sure.

I put him on the list. Please let me know if you find out where he lands.

Anybody keeping track of the kids returning to a high school program? Is the count based only on gross exists or do you consider players returning..

I'm not too worried about the count. For me, it more about keeping track of Minnesota kids after they leave the MSHSL system. Nice to see some flowing back though.

You've got about 17 on your list as of the State Fair start, how many last year at this time?

Not sure. Less, I think.

Do you foresee any possible/likely Elite League selects bailing out before the first practice at Blaine in a week?

A couple of USHL rostered players maybe, but my guess is none.

How do you view the 24 AA kids, to make things apples and apples with your last years final count of about 40 ?

Again, not too worried about the count, but I'm just going to leave the AA players as an asterisk.

Zach Lambrect-(sp?) Chisago Lakes to Bauer-Emerson U18

Added. The rest are included with the AA asterisk.

Did all 24 kids transfer into AA right from an MSHSL school or affiliated Bantam program , or did any have a year in between the transfer to AA ( for whatever reason)?

No idea.

[observer]

USHL and NAHL initial rosters

ftp://List:Protect@cry.usahockey.org/Pr ... s/ushl.pdf

ftp://List:Protect@cry.usahockey.org/Pr ... s/nahl.pdf

[The Exiled One]

USHL and NAHL initial rosters

ftp://List:Protect@cry.usahockey.org/Pr ... s/ushl.pdf

ftp://List:Protect@cry.usahockey.org/Pr ... s/nahl.pdf

Kobe Roth and Nicholas Swaney were both on the initial Elite League rosters, but they are also both listed on USHL rosters. It's unlikely that they'll be playing Elite League. Either they are doing "before & after" or they are gone. I'm listing them as gone unless I hear otherwise.

[SuperStar]

USHL and NAHL initial rosters

ftp://List:Protect@cry.usahockey.org/Pr ... s/ushl.pdf

ftp://List:Protect@cry.usahockey.org/Pr ... s/nahl.pdf

Kobe Roth and Nicholas Swaney were both on the initial Elite League rosters, but they are also both listed on USHL rosters. It's unlikely that they'll be playing Elite League. Either they are doing "before & after" or they are gone. I'm listing them as gone unless I hear otherwise.

I see Bellows protected - will he be back..?

Also - Blake Lizotte from Chisago lakes protected by Minot..

[The Exiled One]

I see Bellows protected - will he be back..?

I'm wondering that myself. I'm going to list him for now.

Also, Lincoln's roster is missing.

[puckbreath]

USHL and NAHL initial rosters

ftp://List:Protect@cry.usahockey.org/Pr ... s/ushl.pdf

ftp://List:Protect@cry.usahockey.org/Pr ... s/nahl.pdf

Kobe Roth and Nicholas Swaney were both on the initial Elite League rosters, but they are also both listed on USHL rosters. It's unlikely that they'll be playing Elite League. Either they are doing "before & after" or they are gone. I'm listing them as gone unless I hear otherwise.

That's to bad about Roth, if true. I'd be surprised if so; with him and Bethune back, Warroad would have a good shot.

[Bluewhitefan]

I see Bellows protected - will he be back..?

I'm wondering that myself. I'm going to list him for now.

Also, Lincoln's roster is missing.

We may not know until 9/22 - the deadline for USHL teams to get down to 23 players on their protected lists.

In prior years, teams had to cut down to 25 players by 9/1, and then to 23 before the start of the regular season.

[WestMetro]

Might get a clue on these guys when we see if they are/arent playing in Elite League opening games, does anyone know if theve been working out at Elite Blaine practice sessions?

[karl(east)]

Roth's Twitter feed includes a reference to his Elite League team just last week.

[OU812]

USHL and NAHL initial rosters

ftp://List:Protect@cry.usahockey.org/Pr ... s/ushl.pdf

ftp://List:Protect@cry.usahockey.org/Pr ... s/nahl.pdf

On the NAHL protected lists, I count 41 MN players who played high school hockey here last season (not counting SSM kids). How does that number compare to other years?