Mr Hockey 2015

[The Exiled One]

Seems to me there are at least 10 senior forwards ahead of them.
This short list from MNGuide
Malmquist - F Edina
Jaremko - F Elk River
Poehling - F Lakeville North
Poehling - F Lakeville North

I'm confused. Did you just list them ahead of themselves?

By default, I think you have to give a Mr. Hockey nod to the top scorer on the top team. In this case, it applies to both Nick and Jack. Never mind where they stand in the statewide scoring race. Schedules strengths vary too much to count on that.

Do I think they could both be nominated? Yes. Do I think either of them will win it? No. Jaremko is not only leading them in scoring, he's a better player all around. However, twin powers have done some really wonderful things throughout the history of hockey. I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do at Green Bay next season.

[WestMetro]

As I said in my 1.20 pm post today , my opinion is Jaremko is running first, Malmquist a close second. Both have solid arguments. (Last fall I predicted Bowen ahead of those two , but I dont see that now- so I was wrong back then)

As I have said right along in this thread, both Poehlings are deserving nominees but I believe the chances of either winning are some somewhat below the above two. Part of the reason is: which would you pick?

[Just Checking]

Seems to me there are at least 10 senior forwards ahead of them.
This short list from MNGuide
Malmquist - F Edina
Jaremko - F Elk River
Poehling - F Lakeville North
Poehling - F Lakeville North

I'm confused. Did you just list them ahead of themselves?

By default, I think you have to give a Mr. Hockey nod to the top scorer on the top team. In this case, it applies to both Nick and Jack. Never mind where they stand in the statewide scoring race. Schedules strengths vary too much to count on that.

Do I think they could both be nominated? Yes. Do I think either of them will win it? No. Jaremko is not only leading them in scoring, he's a better player all around. However, twin powers have done some really wonderful things throughout the history of hockey. I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do at Green Bay next season.

Good one. Count all the forwards listed in my post. 12, just from the reputable teams.

Nick and Jack are benefitting enormously from 2 D1 NHL potential D and a recruited D1 goalie. I would argue that if you put any one of the other 12 forwards I listed on the team they would have as many or more points.

Look at the elite league stats and tell me I am wrong.

The two D on their own team and several others should be considered first.

These guys are great players, they are not Mr. hockey candidates. IMODA.

[Sats81]

Seems to me there are at least 10 senior forwards ahead of them.
This short list from MNGuide
Malmquist - F Edina
Jaremko - F Elk River
Poehling - F Lakeville North
Poehling - F Lakeville North

I'm confused. Did you just list them ahead of themselves?

By default, I think you have to give a Mr. Hockey nod to the top scorer on the top team. In this case, it applies to both Nick and Jack. Never mind where they stand in the statewide scoring race. Schedules strengths vary too much to count on that.

Do I think they could both be nominated? Yes. Do I think either of them will win it? No. Jaremko is not only leading them in scoring, he's a better player all around. However, twin powers have done some really wonderful things throughout the history of hockey. I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do at Green Bay next season.

Good one. Count all the forwards listed in my post. 12, just from the reputable teams.

Nick and Jack are benefitting enormously from 2 D1 NHL potential D and a recruited D1 goalie. I would argue that if you put any one of the other 12 forwards I listed on the team they would have as many or more points.

Look at the elite league stats and tell me I am wrong.

The two D on their own team and several others should be considered first.

These guys are great players, they are not Mr. hockey candidates. IMODA.

Jack had offseason surgery and missed at least half of the elite league games and when he did play he wasn't even at 50% (he rushed back before he probably should have)...sorry to say, looking at elite league stats does nothing in this case.

"Benefitting enormously from 2 D1 Potential NHL D"....? Last time I checked Jack was on Central Scouting list before the midseason report and I know SEVERAL NHL scouts who want to draft Nick. People who know more about the game than you do who think more of them then your sullied opinion.

How are they benefitting from a "D1 recruited goalie"?

[Sats81]

Just Checking, how about both being D1 commits and 50-60 point getters on the best line of the best AA team in the state which who will likely be undefeated at the time the votes are cast? ( Going from memory I think the only two? times in recent post 1990 era that we had undefeated team, Mr Hockey came from that team- the Jags and the Rams I think?. ) And lest anyone think the twins arent team players, this is a team which actually has fairly balanced scoring , last time I looked there might 8 kids with potentially 25 goals.

Ok, so they are on the best team. My point exactly. They still don't stand out. What else?

Your credibility continues to decrease with your posts...if they don't stand out, who does?!?

How many times have you watched them play this year? Do you watch the games or just hang at the concession stand?

[Bluelightspecial]

Both very good players. I wonder how much they would/will stand out when they're not playing together.

[The Exiled One]

Both very good players. I wonder how much they would/will stand out when they're not playing together.

Not sure. When do you anticipate that happening?

[Bluelightspecial]

That's a question for Sats!

[Bluelightspecial]

[quote="Sats81"]
Jack had offseason surgery and missed at least half of the elite league games and when he did play he wasn't even at 50% (he rushed back before he probably should have)...sorry to say, looking at elite league stats does nothing in this case.

So how we're Nicks numbers, or don't they count either because Jack was out?

[Sats81]

Jack had offseason surgery and missed at least half of the elite league games and when he did play he wasn't even at 50% (he rushed back before he probably should have)...sorry to say, looking at elite league stats does nothing in this case.

So how we're Nicks numbers, or don't they count either because Jack was out?

I don't know bluelightspecial, pt a game, not too bad in elite league. (Of course, not at your sons level, but hopefully someday)

[Bluelightspecial]

I don't know bluelightspecial, pt a game, not too bad in elite league. (Of course, not at your sons level, but hopefully someday)

Unless they put on a about 6 inches they'll never get there. I was simply asking because there has always been a lot of talk about how they dont play very well without the other.

[Just Checking]

Just Checking, how about both being D1 commits and 50-60 point getters on the best line of the best AA team in the state which who will likely be undefeated at the time the votes are cast? ( Going from memory I think the only two? times in recent post 1990 era that we had undefeated team, Mr Hockey came from that team- the Jags and the Rams I think?. ) And lest anyone think the twins arent team players, this is a team which actually has fairly balanced scoring , last time I looked there might 8 kids with potentially 25 goals.

Ok, so they are on the best team. My point exactly. They still don't stand out. What else?

Your credibility continues to decrease with your posts...if they don't stand out, who does?!?

My credibility? You started this thread the day after your boys got steamrolled in the state championship. Why? I am pretty sure I know the answer but I would like to hear it from you.

I think you might be a tad too close to them to be objective.

Like I said, they are terrific players, and there may be scouts that want to draft them, but I am tired of you and West Metro pumping their tires here on the forum because they are who they are.

I will give you some Stats. These come from the elite league where the SOS is a non factor, although once again Nick, we will leave Jack out since he was hurt, benefitted from being on the best team, with the best D and Goalies. In other words he never had to play against his own best team. And this also shows how the boys will fair on their own. Look at the Elite league website. There were 4 teams that scored between 90-106 goals, they were all the metro teams.

Nick was tied for 13th in the league in points with Jungles, Kaske and Dornbach.

Nice, but Tufto, Jaremko, Versich, Barnes, Lutz, and Malquist were all ahead of him in scoring just to name the seniors.

He was 5th on his own team.

Presently all of these guys are ahead of both Jack and Nick in the high school season as well. Coincidence? I would guess not.

BTW the points in the elite league are not run past the LVN auditor.

Those in glass houses should not throw pucks.

[Just Checking]

Ok, so they are on the best team. My point exactly. They still don't stand out. What else?

Your credibility continues to decrease with your posts...if they don't stand out, who does?!?

My credibility? You started this thread the day after your boys got steamrolled in the state championship. Why? I am pretty sure I know the answer but I would like to hear it from you.

I think you might be a tad too close to them to be objective.

Like I said, they are terrific players, and there may be scouts that want to draft them, but I am tired of you and West Metro pumping their tires here on the forum because they are who they are.

I will give you some Stats. These come from the elite league where the SOS is a non factor, although once again Nick, we will leave Jack out since he was hurt, benefitted from being on the best team, with the best D and Goalies. In other words he never had to play against his own best team. And this also shows how the boys will fair on their own. Look at the Elite league website. There were 4 teams that scored between 90-106 goals, they were all the metro teams.

Nick was tied for 13th in the league in points with Jungles, Kaske and Dornbach.

Nice, but Tufto, Jaremko, Versich, Barnes, Lutz, and Malquist were all ahead of him in scoring just to name the seniors.

He was 5th on his own team.

Presently all of these guys are ahead of both Jack and Nick in the high school season as well. Coincidence? I would guess not.

BTW the points in the elite league are not run past the LVN auditor.

Those in glass houses should not throw pucks.

Disclaimer....These stats were before Jack and Nick both had 4 points each vs AV.

[blueblood]

This thread needs some of BestPopcorn's popcorn.

I'm beginning to think that middle aged dads sniping at each other is as good as a mi!f cat fight. Well, maybe not....

[Sats81]

Your credibility continues to decrease with your posts...if they don't stand out, who does?!?

My credibility? You started this thread the day after your boys got steamrolled in the state championship. Why? I am pretty sure I know the answer but I would like to hear it from you.

I think you might be a tad too close to them to be objective.

Like I said, they are terrific players, and there may be scouts that want to draft them, but I am tired of you and West Metro pumping their tires here on the forum because they are who they are.

I will give you some Stats. These come from the elite league where the SOS is a non factor, although once again Nick, we will leave Jack out since he was hurt, benefitted from being on the best team, with the best D and Goalies. In other words he never had to play against his own best team. And this also shows how the boys will fair on their own. Look at the Elite league website. There were 4 teams that scored between 90-106 goals, they were all the metro teams.

Nick was tied for 13th in the league in points with Jungles, Kaske and Dornbach.

Nice, but Tufto, Jaremko, Versich, Barnes, Lutz, and Malquist were all ahead of him in scoring just to name the seniors.

He was 5th on his own team.

Presently all of these guys are ahead of both Jack and Nick in the high school season as well. Coincidence? I would guess not.

BTW the points in the elite league are not run past the LVN auditor.

Those in glass houses should not throw pucks.

Disclaimer....These stats were before Jack and Nick both had 4 points each vs AV. :lol:

Oh thats right, I forgot, they control the teams they play against and the conf they are in. They should apologize for having 4 pts vs AV. They played about 1 shift in 3rd period too...

[Sats81]

Ok, so they are on the best team. My point exactly. They still don't stand out. What else?

Your credibility continues to decrease with your posts...if they don't stand out, who does?!?

My credibility? You started this thread the day after your boys got steamrolled in the state championship. Why? I am pretty sure I know the answer but I would like to hear it from you.

I think you might be a tad too close to them to be objective.

Like I said, they are terrific players, and there may be scouts that want to draft them, but I am tired of you and West Metro pumping their tires here on the forum because they are who they are.

I will give you some Stats. These come from the elite league where the SOS is a non factor, although once again Nick, we will leave Jack out since he was hurt, benefitted from being on the best team, with the best D and Goalies. In other words he never had to play against his own best team. And this also shows how the boys will fair on their own. Look at the Elite league website. There were 4 teams that scored between 90-106 goals, they were all the metro teams.

Nick was tied for 13th in the league in points with Jungles, Kaske and Dornbach.

Nice, but Tufto, Jaremko, Versich, Barnes, Lutz, and Malquist were all ahead of him in scoring just to name the seniors.

He was 5th on his own team.

Presently all of these guys are ahead of both Jack and Nick in the high school season as well. Coincidence? I would guess not.

BTW the points in the elite league are not run past the LVN auditor.

Those in glass houses should not throw pucks.

After my boys got steamrolled hah? I've been called their dad, mom, uncle, next thing is "Sats81 is the Poehling twins"

I guess I'm still trying to figure out how they are "benefiting from their D1 recruited goalie"? Another brilliant comment.

Last time I checked, Mr. Hockey wasn't picked based off of elite league stats...perhaps you are on the selection committee though and could shed some light? (That was a joke in case you aren't intelligent enough to figure it out....I'm not gonna give your elite hockey mind the credit of being there)..

"Stats in the elite league aren't run past LVN auditor"- Ok, so you are saying the points Nick and Jack put up this season aren't really theirs?! Perhaps they are sniping points from someone else?!? Your disdain and anger towards them is so obvious...you can keep throwing in your backhanded compliments like "they are terrific players, just not Mr Hockey candidates" but they are laughable.

"Nick was tied for 13th in the league in points with Jungles, Kaske and Dornbach.

Nice, but Tufto, Jaremko, Versich, Barnes, Lutz, and Malquist were all ahead of him in scoring just to name the seniors.

He was 5th on his own team.

Presently all of these guys are ahead of both Jack and Nick in the high school season as well. Coincidence? I would guess not. "

So according to "Just checking" Mr Hockey should be picked off of how many points a player scores during the season! Ok, got it. If that were the case, why don't we see these Class A kids who score 70 goals a season as finalists?

Both will finish with over 60 pts this season with a schedule that is as difficult as any in the state with every team they play gunning for them and having a primary objective of shutting them down. They are both excellent 2 way 200 foot players who want nothing else but to win. They have a chance to finish on a team that could do something unprecedented.

There will always be spiteful, jealous, angry people like yourself who instead of applauding kids for sticking around and trying to do something special will do everything they can do to tear them down. Pretty sad.

[Nuts&Bolts]

Every high school player needs a dadvocate like Stats! Talks about having no control over who LN plays in one post with weak conference sisters like Shakopee, AV and Eagan and then says LN plays a schedule as difficult as any in the state? My guess is the D1 goalie reference is for another new recruit from SSM that replaced last years goalie recruit from Farmington that left this year for Ann Arbor. With another goalie from the LN (or LS system) the Panthers probably wouldn't be undefeated at this point. You and West keep pumping 'easily' the best team of the modern era.

[Bluelightspecial]

[quote="Sats81")
Oh thats right, I forgot, they control the teams they play against and the conf they are in. They should apologize for having 4 pts vs AV. They played about 1 shift in 3rd period too..

You want to talk about losing credibility. That 1 shift at the 9 mn mark when they scored to go up 7-1! They have never played "about 1 shift in the 3rd period"!

[Sats81]

Every high school player needs a dadvocate like Stats! Talks about having no control over who LN plays in one post with weak conference sisters like Shakopee, AV and Eagan and then says LN plays a schedule as difficult as any in the state? My guess is the D1 goalie reference is for another new recruit from SSM that replaced last years goalie recruit from Farmington that left this year for Ann Arbor. With another goalie from the LN (or LS system) the Panthers probably wouldn't be undefeated at this point. You and West keep pumping 'easily' the best team of the modern era.

Nuts! Been waiting for your input on this topic! Welcome back.

Edquist is from Lakeville. Get your facts straight boss.

"Talks about having no control over who LN plays in one post with weak conference sisters like Shakopee, AV and Eagan and then says LN plays a schedule as difficult as any in the state?"

So let me get this straight? Does a team/school control who their conference opponents are? They can only play who is in front of them. Their non-conf schedule is something they do control, and last time I checked, scheduling Edina, Hill Murray, Moorhead, Wayzata, BSM, Grand Rapids, Duluth East is scheduling about as tough of a non-conf lineup as you can reasonably find.

Perhaps you know something I don't? (You do know everything!)

I have truly missed your brainless comments.

[Sats81]

[quote="Sats81")
Oh thats right, I forgot, they control the teams they play against and the conf they are in. They should apologize for having 4 pts vs AV. They played about 1 shift in 3rd period too..

You want to talk about losing credibility. That 1 shift at the 9 mn mark when they scored to go up 7-1! They have never played "about 1 shift in the 3rd period"!

Schue-Were you at the game? Or busy drinking wild turkey bud?

[Bluelightspecial]

Both! How about you?

[Nuts&Bolts]

Stats you messed up again I'm the one that's been at the bar. Thought the toughest schedule includes ALL games played in a year not just the non-conference games. I thought a Lake conference team like EP, Edina or Wayzata 'easily' has the harder schedule.

Yep Edquist is from Lakeville and came back after a couple years at SSM once your Farmington recruit left. Interesting how the deal came together after Edquist decided to play AAA instead of LN youth hockey years ago. How did you get around the address change issue with the MSHSL anyway?

[WestMetro]

Just Checking. You mention a lot of names. Its hard too sort it all out. If you dont pick more than one nominee from any particular team, are you saying the list below is YOUR list of nominees? Or if not, which team are you saying is deserving of multiple nominees and who are they?


Malmquist - Edina
Jaremko - Elk River
N Poehling - Lakeville North
Versich - STA
Pionk - Hermantown
Borgen-Moorhead
Olsen-Hill
Peterson-HF
Kaske- BSM
Barnes-AHA

[Sats81]

Both! How about you?

Former, not the latter, I wish both though bud

[Sats81]

Stats you messed up again I'm the one that's been at the bar. Thought the toughest schedule includes ALL games played in a year not just the non-conference games. I thought a Lake conference team like EP, Edina or Wayzata 'easily' has the harder schedule.

Yep Edquist is from Lakeville and came back after a couple years at SSM once your Farmington recruit left. Interesting how the deal came together after Edquist decided to play AAA instead of LN youth hockey years ago. How did you get around the address change issue with the MSHSL anyway?

Even with their conf games (which again is totally out of their control who they play) their SOS is for surely in top 7-10 in state if not top 5.