ChrisK...I was responding to Nut's post about Me, Myself and I versus OWEING it to your community post. Read the whole thread you'll catch his statement and it won't sit right, at least it didn't with me. I didn't realize I OWE my community, my children's services for anything. If you tell me I do, I guess I do then...sorry.ChrisK wrote:I don't know how Dickie Dunn managed to turn this into a discussion of the value of community, but I'll just say you're welcome to play all the individual sports you want, tennis, wrestling, etc. Unfortunately, if you want to play any team sports you can leave that me, myself and I attitude at the door, thanks.
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Dickie Dunn
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"I was trying to capture the spirit of the thing"
"maintaining a level playfield".
When the Catholics (privates) emerge above the rest with better teams, they need to be brought down to the level of the Rest (publics) to be "fair".
Certainly we don't want to give any freedom to the Rest so, if desired, they may improve their team to possibly compete with the Catholics. It is important that we maintain and preserve our mediocrity.
Certainly we don't want to give any freedom to the Rest so, if desired, they may improve their team to possibly compete with the Catholics. It is important that we maintain and preserve our mediocrity.
same old, same old....
You know,....that stupid freedom junk again.
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Can't Never Tried
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going on, but surely he would'nt turn his back on the faithful 
.........would he?What will it be?.......
Total mediocrity,.......or partial mediocrity, with advantage to the underpriveledged Catholic minority.
I predict the underpriveledged Catholic minority prevails, not only on the ice, but in the MSHSL boardroom, as well.
Just wait until Lent.
I predict the underpriveledged Catholic minority prevails, not only on the ice, but in the MSHSL boardroom, as well.
Just wait until Lent.
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SEMinnHockeyNut
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Dickie - Some thoughts:
Does the community provide me a job? YES, it does. Without some sort of system from DC to St. Paul to whatever city you live in, who would take the risk of creating a job for you to have, possible hate and whine about?
My wife is a public school teacher - well it sounds like the community is directly providing her a job and her salary and partially from MY taxes! Am I whining about it? No, I say give her a 25% raise AT LEAST!
Can I assume the community gave you an education too? Your kids?
Perhaps we could send your kids to China or Japan where if they don't pass the correct test at age 9, they have no chance of becoming an engineer.
Did you or your wife attend a public college or university? Will your kids?
1/2 of the tutition is covered by the state, including using some of MY tax dollars!
P.S. I'd take a Me, Myself and I parent than a parent looking for a hand-out anyday. Where did I ever say public school kids or their parents were looking for a handout. I said perhaps some hockey players (and other team sport athletes) owed a bit of loyalty to the kids they grew up playing with, so what is the big deal about tightening the transfer rule once someone STARTS 9th GRADE! (Keep that in mind...if I live in Farmington, I can send my kid to Holy Angels, CDH, or STA as long as I know I want that for my kids before high school)
ALL GOOD POINTS DICKIE:
Besides I drive the priests crazy when they want to discuss Catholicism and I ask about the Inquisition, Sales of Indulgences, the burning of so-called Heretics, the Holy See's order to assasinate Elizabeth the I, Cardinal Richelieu's corruption of power and Pious's position on the Holocaust. We do have some interesting dinner conversations at our home Catholicism should not hide from its history - but use it as a teaching tool. You forgot to mention the conquest of the New World and Native American boarding school though!
No, Jesus, would not worry about St. Agnes. He was not a Catholic -he was a Jew remember? GO SLEEPY EYE!
Does the community provide me a job? YES, it does. Without some sort of system from DC to St. Paul to whatever city you live in, who would take the risk of creating a job for you to have, possible hate and whine about?
My wife is a public school teacher - well it sounds like the community is directly providing her a job and her salary and partially from MY taxes! Am I whining about it? No, I say give her a 25% raise AT LEAST!
Can I assume the community gave you an education too? Your kids?
Perhaps we could send your kids to China or Japan where if they don't pass the correct test at age 9, they have no chance of becoming an engineer.
Did you or your wife attend a public college or university? Will your kids?
1/2 of the tutition is covered by the state, including using some of MY tax dollars!
P.S. I'd take a Me, Myself and I parent than a parent looking for a hand-out anyday. Where did I ever say public school kids or their parents were looking for a handout. I said perhaps some hockey players (and other team sport athletes) owed a bit of loyalty to the kids they grew up playing with, so what is the big deal about tightening the transfer rule once someone STARTS 9th GRADE! (Keep that in mind...if I live in Farmington, I can send my kid to Holy Angels, CDH, or STA as long as I know I want that for my kids before high school)
ALL GOOD POINTS DICKIE:
Besides I drive the priests crazy when they want to discuss Catholicism and I ask about the Inquisition, Sales of Indulgences, the burning of so-called Heretics, the Holy See's order to assasinate Elizabeth the I, Cardinal Richelieu's corruption of power and Pious's position on the Holocaust. We do have some interesting dinner conversations at our home Catholicism should not hide from its history - but use it as a teaching tool. You forgot to mention the conquest of the New World and Native American boarding school though!
No, Jesus, would not worry about St. Agnes. He was not a Catholic -he was a Jew remember? GO SLEEPY EYE!
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SEMinnHockeyNut
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Another point to note.
Tonight I went to the JM/Century game and the Rockets retired Shjon Podein's #11 and Doug Zmolek's #17 (don't get me started on retiring high school jerseys), but I found it interesting that on the local news they went out of their way to talk about playing for their high school team - they even said neighboorhood team! *GASP* They both thanked their youth and high school coaches, but not their college coaches (or junior coaches in Podein's case).
Isn't that very interesting? You mean they thanked their community for supporting them? They thanked YOUTH coaches? Wow! Very interesting isn't?
Tonight I went to the JM/Century game and the Rockets retired Shjon Podein's #11 and Doug Zmolek's #17 (don't get me started on retiring high school jerseys), but I found it interesting that on the local news they went out of their way to talk about playing for their high school team - they even said neighboorhood team! *GASP* They both thanked their youth and high school coaches, but not their college coaches (or junior coaches in Podein's case).
Isn't that very interesting? You mean they thanked their community for supporting them? They thanked YOUTH coaches? Wow! Very interesting isn't?
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Ankles Pierre, Jr.
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WWSD
Why did God give people free will when he could have forced everybody to make the choices that the NUT above thinks are correct?
In fact, there once was an angel that proposed to take away freedom of will, but AHA doesn't play for him!
Not everyone has their life mapped by the ninth grade. Of course, it's easy if like NUT your only life's ambition is to stand in a soup line and make your wife provide for you.
With defenders of the Catholic faith like NUT around, who needs Muslim terrorists?
In fact, there once was an angel that proposed to take away freedom of will, but AHA doesn't play for him!
Not everyone has their life mapped by the ninth grade. Of course, it's easy if like NUT your only life's ambition is to stand in a soup line and make your wife provide for you.
With defenders of the Catholic faith like NUT around, who needs Muslim terrorists?
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Dickie Dunn
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Nut...Your NUTS if you think that people should have their choices for a school picked by ninth grade...someone made the point about situations changing...promotions, lay-offs.....your life changes everyday you can't have rules that make every situation fit into a neat little package. Life isn't a neat little package. I like AP's analogy of the dictatorship of the MSHSL they are trying to dictate how people should choose their childs education. Sounds pretty Fascist to me.
Kids don't OWE ANY loyalty to the kids they grew up with. NONE, NOTTA, NOTHING, ZIP. PERIOD. I don't OWE anything to my community other than paying my city bill, remember I'm PAYING for those services...looking at your logic they should provide that to me for nothing because I'm a community member. Right?
Life is what YOU make of it...not what your community makes of it for you.
Hey...you forgot one.. has to do with alter boys.
Kids don't OWE ANY loyalty to the kids they grew up with. NONE, NOTTA, NOTHING, ZIP. PERIOD. I don't OWE anything to my community other than paying my city bill, remember I'm PAYING for those services...looking at your logic they should provide that to me for nothing because I'm a community member. Right?
Life is what YOU make of it...not what your community makes of it for you.
Hey...you forgot one.. has to do with alter boys.
"I was trying to capture the spirit of the thing"
The idea that choosing a Catholic education is disloyal to the community is absurd.
Only someone who doesnt have a clue as to what a Catholic education consisits of could say that. He would have to be a Nut.
The players thanked their youth coach. So what.
A lot of my kids coaches were dads who sent their kids to Catholic schools. A lot of the volunteers in our program sent their kids to Catholic schools. A lot of the kids my kids played with went to Catholic schools.
Were they all being disloyal to each other?
I think the kids that went to public school were disloyal to their Catholic team mates
I used to wonder how people could say stuff like that but now... I just start threads.
And in this thread the disloyal ,recruited, rich Catholics will be in St Paul under the shadow of the Cathedral in March to defend the crown.
You doubt it? Wait until Lent.
Only someone who doesnt have a clue as to what a Catholic education consisits of could say that. He would have to be a Nut.
The players thanked their youth coach. So what.
A lot of my kids coaches were dads who sent their kids to Catholic schools. A lot of the volunteers in our program sent their kids to Catholic schools. A lot of the kids my kids played with went to Catholic schools.
Were they all being disloyal to each other?
I think the kids that went to public school were disloyal to their Catholic team mates I used to wonder how people could say stuff like that but now... I just start threads.
And in this thread the disloyal ,recruited, rich Catholics will be in St Paul under the shadow of the Cathedral in March to defend the crown.
You doubt it? Wait until Lent.
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SEC Scotty
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I think Shattuck should play in the MSHSL.packerboy wrote:The idea that choosing a Catholic education is disloyal to the community is absurd.
Only someone who doesnt have a clue as to what a Catholic education consisits of could say that. He would have to be a Nut.
The players thanked their youth coach. So what.
A lot of my kids coaches were dads who sent their kids to Catholic schools. A lot of the volunteers in our program sent their kids to Catholic schools. A lot of the kids my kids played with went to Catholic schools.
Were they all being disloyal to each other?
I used to wonder how people could say stuff like that but now... I just start threads.
And in this thread the disloyal ,recruited, rich Catholics will be in St Paul under the shadow of the Cathedral in March to defend the crown.
You doubt it? Wait until Lent.
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SEC Scotty
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No point. Just sick of condecending private school posts.packerboy wrote:Well Scotty, that isnt going to happen because they want to play and not be limited by the MSHSL rules.
Nobody keeps them out.
They choose not to be in the league.
If they chose to be a part of the MSHSL, they probably would not exist as we now know them.
So, whats your point?
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SEC Scotty
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My son goes to a private Christian academy and Jesus loves him even though he isn't Catholic. I have no problem with the choice of school. To say that private schools don't have an upper hand on getting hockey talent is rediculous. I don't have a problem with that fact either. It's the condesending attitude I have a problem with like I stated earlier.packerboy wrote:I understand.
Its a lot more comfortable for everybody to chant 'daddys money' and/ or disparage a certain type of schools success if those offended turn the other cheek.
Any one who has success must have the upper hand. It cant be because they do heck of job can it? Thats the attitude I have a problen with , as I have stated.
CDH is the defending champ. Why dont you tell us how they have the 'upper hand' on WBL which is twice their size has the biggest youth hockey program in the world?
Thats whats ridiculous.
CDH is the defending champ. Why dont you tell us how they have the 'upper hand' on WBL which is twice their size has the biggest youth hockey program in the world?
Thats whats ridiculous.
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Can't Never Tried
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Amen to that!
Also probably should not be blowing the victory horn so loud there... the Catholics are only holding 4 in the top 10 and with the exception of AHA who has only played 3 games in the rankings, so until they are up to 8 or 9 games they are just getting a pass..... (not that they won't stay there) the catholics do hold the 8,9,and 10 spots though and if ya want to go out to the top 20 they get one more in #17 this is all off PS2's rankings so I guess the old community teams are holding the lions share.
Also probably should not be blowing the victory horn so loud there... the Catholics are only holding 4 in the top 10 and with the exception of AHA who has only played 3 games in the rankings, so until they are up to 8 or 9 games they are just getting a pass..... (not that they won't stay there) the catholics do hold the 8,9,and 10 spots though and if ya want to go out to the top 20 they get one more in #17 this is all off PS2's rankings so I guess the old community teams are holding the lions share.
The pagans are formidable opponents CNT. They are behemouth in size and have the finest of facilities.
Ever been to Wayzata High School(which is actually in Plymouth)? There are a lot of small colleges that wished they had it that nice.
But wait until Lent. The Catholics will be finely tuned as a result of self deprivation and guilt and will defend the crown admirably.
Ever been to Wayzata High School(which is actually in Plymouth)? There are a lot of small colleges that wished they had it that nice.
But wait until Lent. The Catholics will be finely tuned as a result of self deprivation and guilt and will defend the crown admirably.