White Bear vs Hill-Murray 12/15

[BearsSensGophs]

This was my first time seeing the Bears this year so it might be an unfair assessment after only witnessing that game, but they looked mediocre at best tonight. Their defense was miserable throughout the course of the game, and if not for some solid saves by Schletty the score would've been even worse. The lone bright spot on offense was the play of the Wahlin Birkinbine Wolter line, but even they underachieved somewhat and whenever they got a chance, they weren't able to bury it. Hopefully the team can turn it around; there's no way they'll get anywhere come sections playing the way they did tonight.

Jansen also a lone bright spot, create some chances.

[2darink10]

Is sampair related to Basil and is he a soph. or a fresh?

Yes hes a sophmore and im pretty sure hes related but not 100% sure on that.

I'm pretty sure he isn't.

I feel sick after this one, going to bed.
I'll start anew tomorrow.

And relating to the previous topic about Wolter, he might be as explosive as he was Soph. year, but he's a nice kid with some class.

Basil and Charlie are cousins I think. They're related, I know that for sure.

[2darink10]

Should be a good game. The bears have looked pretty good so far this season dispite the loss of goaltending. Schletty and Jordan are stepping up and filling in to make a difference in between the pipes. Wahlin, Jansen, and Birkenbine are extremely talented and should be able to bank a couple goals in on Hill. It just depends on how well the 2nd and 3rd lines can "defend" and contribute. Penalties would kill their chances, as Hill PP is effective. If WBs Defense can step up and keep HM to the outside, they will have a close game.

The Pioneers are a very talented group that has a large number of returners because of the issue last year. They have some really talented forwards who can score - Bahe, Faust, Bruchu, Walsh, to name several. Their defense have experience and wear 2 of 3 Captain patches. It will be tough for WB to get by the likes of Johnson and Casto. And to top it off they have a solid goalie in Shaughnessy. However, it is likely that they get two on him.

Between Hills D and Goalie.. I don't think White Bear will get more that 2. And White Bears goalies are playing well, but HM is a tough team to play against. Aldrich will be packed, and most first timers either feed of it or get nervous... I say they get nervous and Hill get 2 or 3 pretty early. And the final score is 5-2.

This is the kind of contribution people need to make to a WBL vs Hill thread. Thank you for analyzing the full situation and making a logical prediction. None of the "Whyte Bear sux adn pieoners r g8." or "Hil Murrey recruts all ther playerz."

As for me, I'll take my Bears in a 4-3 upset. My reasoning? None, I'm just a psychic.

HM definitely has some experience at D, and the forwards are always far more talented than any other team four lines deep but they are running with some small/inexperieinced but the top two lines will carry them and the others won't hurt them, but the G as a strength?? you are kidding right? That is their only weak spot. Every decent team last year scored 4-5 goals on us despite being outshot by quite a bit and remember Richfield? ouch, that was all goalie and may go down as the most embarrassing loss ever, they didn't have but a few decent chances at best and Stillwater only made it close because of some very weak ones. Good goalies give their team a chance to win, this one has given the other teams more chances to win games they shouldn't. Someone goalie guy last year mentioned how weak he was stick side, so i watched it quite a bit, and that's the side were most goals went in on fewer chances.

I don't think the bears will be ready though, and is that berkenbine kid playing? they never seem to play well against hill early, but come playoffs they are always tough and this year with the offense they might have??? I think it'll be hm, simply because they are more focused and disciplined than most teams early on, but as the season builds others tend to get closer to playoffs that's why the bears are always difficult in the playoffs, but the bears might show some offense this year, I wouldn't make any bets against them, they have pure goal scorers this year several and they are only going to be as weak as their own discipline, effort and attitude and that might take until Feb to develop. They may or may not lack goaltending, big unknown for them, if they play well, this could be their year but no one knows what to expect of them.

I think wb has the offense and experience to match hm this year, they are at least equal in nets, but the hm D is very experienced and though I don't know much about the wb D, I doubt they are at the same level. If the wb scorers put on a show, watch out, otherwise the edge goes to hm's d which wins games, though anything can happen in one game.

Want to explain to me how Shaughnessy wasn't a strength in tonights game? Anyone?
WB may not have generated that many opportunities, but when they did - they had no chance. Shaughnessys underrated, that's all I have to say.

And Carney... Not impressed. Noticed he was in the wrong place a lot, leaving his goalie out to dry. He will improve - he is only a freshman. Just, not living up to the hype.

[hockeyfan893]

I agree with the above assessment of Carney, he'll get his feet under him though in time.

As far as freshmen are concerned, it looked like Hill's Lavalle seemed well-adjusted to the level of play.

[Northsider]

A few quick notes tonight:

1)RJ for white bear is too small. nough said.

2)Jared gets heckled really easily

3)The place was LOUD! Couldnt hear a thing the White Bear students were saying across the rink

4)Solid turn out by our student section

5)"Ole' Ole' Ole' " is stuck in my head

6)White Bear has no defense whatsoever

7)As someone else said, Mac Jansen was the only player for WB that looked solid

Timmy played like a stud tonight

9) Our administration would not let us sit on the same end as White Bear. Not too happy about that

10) I'm pretty confident about going to state this year. Again.

[PowerForward25]

A few quick notes tonight:

1)RJ for white bear is too small. nough said.

2)Jared gets heckled really easily

3)The place was LOUD! Couldnt hear a thing the White Bear students were saying across the rink

4)Solid turn out by our student section

5)"Ole' Ole' Ole' " is stuck in my head

6)White Bear has no defense whatsoever

7)As someone else said, Mac Jansen was the only player for WB that looked solid

Timmy played like a stud tonight

9) Our administration would not let us sit on the same end as White Bear. Not too happy about that

10) I'm pretty confident about going to state this year. Again.

As much as i dislike Hill that was pretty funny.

[Hockeyfan#8]

A few quick notes tonight:

1)RJ for white bear is too small. nough said.

2)Jared gets heckled really easily

3)The place was LOUD! Couldnt hear a thing the White Bear students were saying across the rink

4)Solid turn out by our student section

5)"Ole' Ole' Ole' " is stuck in my head

6)White Bear has no defense whatsoever

7)As someone else said, Mac Jansen was the only player for WB that looked solid

Timmy played like a stud tonight

9) Our administration would not let us sit on the same end as White Bear. Not too happy about that

10) I'm pretty confident about going to state this year. Again.

did you look across the rink at the white bear section? not even close in comparison of size.

[sachishi4]

neither are the schools...

basic mathematical proportions

[old goalie85]

jack walsh the man!!!!!! C A N Y O U S A Y LEADER!!!!!

[got some]

Pathetic.

If the bears plan on playing like that the rest of the season, they'll go nowhere.

I found the whole student section thing extremely odd. Was it because the game was televised?

As far as Hill's student section goes - I'll be impressed when I see more than 10 people at a non-WB game.

[stpaul]

11

[got some]

11

Thank you.

I don't think the announcers said it enough either.

[Pioneerprideguy]

Great job last night guys. Beating WBL never gets old! I thought Hill's D were fantastic. They moved the puck, got involved offensively, and limited WB's forwards. Hill hit anything that moved, yet, did so cleanly and still focussed on the puck. They just didn't look to run a Bear. WB's top line was solid but nothing much after that. Hill pretty much won all facets of the game.

It's early & Hill seems to be the better team at this point. Like every other year, both teams will get better and that gap will close by the time sections rolll around.

Congrats on the win, keep improving, and enjoy the journey.

[northwoods oldtimer]

I'm pretty confident about going to state this year. Again.

A monkey could coach that team of all stars to state. Scales are most definitely tipped in HM favor when they can just reload with area talent year in and year out.

[WB6162]

I'm pretty confident about going to state this year. Again.

A monkey could coach that team of all stars to state. Scales are most definitely tipped in HM favor when they can just reload with area talent year in and year out.

One solution would be to have one each private A and private AA metro section with the winner going to the state. HM could remain in Suburban East for the regular season but would have to win the Private AA sec to advance to the state Tourney. It would prevent the Alll Star Team syndrome and the best players would have a better chance of getting to the state tourney playing on a public school team.

[Pioneerprideguy]

If ya can't beat em....change the format!

[tourneytickssince59]

I'm pretty confident about going to state this year. Again.

A monkey could coach that team of all stars to state. Scales are most definitely tipped in HM favor when they can just reload with area talent year in and year out.

One solution would be to have one each private A and private AA metro section with the winner going to the state. HM could remain in Suburban East for the regular season but would have to win the Private AA sec to advance to the state Tourney. It would prevent the Alll Star Team syndrome and the best players would have a better chance of getting to the state tourney playing on a public school team.

Why are they an all-star team? In this day of open enrollment, students can attend any school they choose to attend, PUBLIC or private. Parents choose to send there kids there for many reasons. Why rip on a coach that, is one of the best coaches in the state? Is it because your team lost? Or are we back to the jealousy of the Private schools? The job he did last year was incredible.

[12to14]

I am still yawning from bordem. White Bear was so bad that not only did the third line score on them twice but I believe the team Manager got one as well. It was also nice to see that people got their money's worth by getting there early to see the better of the two games.

[WB6162]

A monkey could coach that team of all stars to state. Scales are most definitely tipped in HM favor when they can just reload with area talent year in and year out.

One solution would be to have one each private A and private AA metro section with the winner going to the state. HM could remain in Suburban East for the regular season but would have to win the Private AA sec to advance to the state Tourney. It would prevent the Alll Star Team syndrome and the best players would have a better chance of getting to the state tourney playing on a public school team.

Why are they an all-star team? In this day of open enrollment, students can attend any school they choose to attend, PUBLIC or private. Parents choose to send there kids there for many reasons. Why rip on a coach that, is one of the best coaches in the state? Is it because your team lost? Or are we back to the jealousy of the Private schools? The job he did last year was incredible.

Most people I know who send their kids to private schools, and that kid happens to be a hockey player? They are probably sending them there because they know their kid will be on a good team and have a better chance of being showcased and gain connections for the next level. I'm not jealous of that at all, I just question if that what HS Varsity Sports were meant to be.

I think they were set up to increase school spirit and enthusiasm in the high school experience as an aid to getting young people excited about learning in school. Now they are like free agents in pro sports, looking for the best sports situation as indivduals. There may be a few kids who would attend their private schools regardless if they make the team or not but let's be real here, how many is that?

[Pioneerprideguy]

JV score?

[12to14]

Hill 2 - WB ZERO

[GreekChurch]

It looks like almost every other year - the Pioneers have the better hockey team, but White Bear has the better student section. So, I guess it's a draw.

Very nice game by Hill - Murray from start to finish.

[stpaul]

Yeah, congratulations to WBL on that best student section competition thing. Unfortunately they had little to cheer about. You do know that WBL has 2400 kids in grades 9-12 and Hill-Murray has 800, don't you? Plus HM had probably 80 of those 800 that couldn't come because there were playing boys and girls BB games last night. Based on that math I'd say HM won the best student section percentage competition thing. Of course that 5-0 hockey game score was in the paper this moring and the best student section competition thing was not.

[tourneytickssince59]

One solution would be to have one each private A and private AA metro section with the winner going to the state. HM could remain in Suburban East for the regular season but would have to win the Private AA sec to advance to the state Tourney. It would prevent the Alll Star Team syndrome and the best players would have a better chance of getting to the state tourney playing on a public school team.

Why are they an all-star team? In this day of open enrollment, students can attend any school they choose to attend, PUBLIC or private. Parents choose to send there kids there for many reasons. Why rip on a coach that, is one of the best coaches in the state? Is it because your team lost? Or are we back to the jealousy of the Private schools? The job he did last year was incredible.

Most people I know who send their kids to private schools, and that kid happens to be a hockey player? They are probably sending them there because they know their kid will be on a good team and have a better chance of being showcased and gain connections for the next level. I'm not jealous of that at all, I just question if that what HS Varsity Sports were meant to be.

I think they were set up to increase school spirit and enthusiasm in the high school experience as an aid to getting young people excited about learning in school. Now they are like free agents in pro sports, looking for the best sports situation as indivduals. There may be a few kids who would attend their private schools regardless if they make the team or not but let's be real here, how many is that?

I know lots and lots of people whose kids go to private schools and they are NOT hockey players. They go there for the education and religious aspect. I think the kid attending solely for hockey is the exception, not the rule. Looking at the HM roster, a large majority of them have a brother, sister, or parent that is an alum. it's a legacy thing. I know parents that attended HM and have already decided that is where there 4th and 2nd graders are going.

[BodyShots]

The rivalry is over! WBL's best chance was last year, with a depleted HM team, and they still couldn't get the job done. It doesn't look like it will get any closer in the near future as WBL's youth programs are on the decline.

I new HM was good, but I didn't know WBL was going to be this bad.

1. Stick handling - Can WBL skate and stick handle the puck at the same time?
2. Passing - I didn't see a lot of completed passes. Although there were quite a few that were tape to tape to the HM stick.
3. Skating - They really looked slow.
4. Positioning - A lot of odd man breaks. I think it was the end of the 1st period and HM had a 3 on 1 and the one back for WBL was a forward.
5. A lot of hype about Carney. I didn't see it last night.
6. Schletty actually made some nice saves and kept it from getting to running time.

I watched the game at the bar last night with some friends and I got to say, I was .[/list]