Private School Trash talk thread

[elliott70]

You guys are being way too nice and way too sensible.


Come on....

catlickers on one side of the street and publickers on the other...
make up a pile of snowballs and on the count of 3...


FIRE....

[BodyShots]

Be careful what you wish for...if there is an all private State tourney you will see the AA tourney turn into the JV tourney and the A turn into the Jr. Gold tourney. Many of the top players (and teams) are the privates and this will attract the better players (or parents) to play in the best State tournament.

Look at what's happening in youth!! Many kids are "moving" into programs that offer AA instead of just A at Squirts, Pee Wee and Bantams. This is a slippery slope and it is going to get out of control. Look at all of the threads on the youth side...more than a few talk about AA vs. A when last year they were all the same?!?!

Not good!!

Totally agree. People don't remember back to the days of the Private School state championship. It always left a question in the air -- which team is really the best in the state?

What would people complain about if they didn't have the David vs. Goliath storyline of Hermantown against big bad old STA? Edina vs. Benilde?

Another thing: Go to STA's rink sometime. You'll see that concessions are run by Sibley. You'll see youth practices on the sheet -- mostly Sibley. Ask a Sibley stud where he wants to play high school. Odds are, he'll say STA. The fact is, most privates actually do have feeder community associations, and often the better players have aspirations to play for that private because that's what the studs in their association do/have done. Obviously, this poses a problem for Sibley's high school program. Same is true of Highland and Cretin-Durham. You don't see a lot of players "recruited" from OMG or Wayzata to attend Cretin or Hill-Murray. They have feeder associations.

At the other end of the spectrum, you have BSM who takes players from Edina, Wayzata, SLP and Minneapolis. In the first two cases, many players simply are looking for private options in an extremely competitive environment that seriously funnels down. (Consider Edina's EIGHT Bantam teams. How many of those kids will get to play varsity at EHS?) In the latter two, same sitch as Sibley. Programs that are struggling to keep the studs from their feeder associations, because they aren't competitive yet. That could change with guys like Podein and Dziedzic running the high school programs now, though.

Wrong, they have had kids from all over the state attend HM. From Shattack (South) to Edina (West), Cambridge (North), to Wisconsin (East). STA had Issackson who was from Pine City. Not sure about Cretin, but I know a baseball player from Tartan, and a football player from Mahtomedi attend there.

[BlueLineSpecial]

Very few players come to HM from west of St. Paul. Shattuck was a transfer who if I recall played youth in Centennial. Most players are coming from eastern suburbs, if that makes you feel any better

[HShockeywatcher]

Work on fixing any number of issues in even the best of the public systems, more student athletes will attend their "community school." It is the reason many students, athletes and not, attend the private schools in the first place.

Wrong, they have had kids from all over the state attend HM. From Shattack (South) to Edina (West), Cambridge (North), to Wisconsin (East). STA had Issackson who was from Pine City. Not sure about Cretin, but I know a baseball player from Tartan, and a football player from Mahtomedi attend there.

Where is Tartan, MN?

You mean people drive all the way from Mahtomedi to Mendota Heights?

[Pioneerprideguy]

You don't see a lot of players "recruited" from OMG or Wayzata to attend Cretin or Hill-Murray.

Why would anyone be consider going to Cretin, rather than HM, to play sports? Last year HM went to State in Football, hockey, and baseball. Cretin did nothing. This year HM went to State in football...Cretin did not. Chances are HM will go to State in hockey...and chances are Cretin will not. Baseball looks strong again at HM.

FYI, I have nothing but love for Cretin as they are fellow private school brothren, but it's still fun to fire a shot at them when we can.

[HShockeywatcher]

You don't see a lot of players "recruited" from OMG or Wayzata to attend Cretin or Hill-Murray.

Why would anyone be consider going to Cretin, rather than HM, to play sports? Last year HM went to State in Football, hockey, and baseball. Cretin did nothing. This year HM went to State in football...Cretin did not. Chances are HM will go to State in hockey...and chances are Cretin will not. Baseball looks strong again at HM.

FYI, I have nothing but love for Cretin as they are fellow private school brothren, but it's still fun to fire a shot at them when we can.

I love the shots at Cretin as much as anyone but I can also give credit where it's due and putting them down for football because they missed one year seems a little out of place; they went to state the previous 5 years in a row and 8 of the last 10, with a title and a couple second place finishes and 9 regular season losses in the last 9 years as well as 4 undefeated regular seasons.

It's been a few years for baseball, but the last time they went to state in 07, they won the title. They also seem to put together a solid basketball team every year.

Hopefully the last time I say anything nice about Cretin that isn't in relation to the Twins.

[old goalie85]

Does anyone know if an 8th grader is playing varsity at Hill . I've told this three times now. The last at WB county tonight. that has to be a first if true. Not a jab at the East metro Allstars just curious.

[goldy313]

Cretin plays in the top class in every sport, some by enrollment, others because they choose to opt up. I think that's why Cretin is looked at differently than all the other private schools, they as a school have a philosophy to compete in everything at the highest level.

[ShootNScore88]

Simple solution. Go back to one class. Of course this will never happen because the High School League wants the money from 2 tournaments. It is as bad as the NCAA at putting $$$ before the student athlete.

[ShootNScore88]

Go strictly by enrollment. I don't know the exact number of hockey teams. If there is 150 then 75 of the largest in AA. Don't allow anyone to play up or down. This would make for a stronger A tournament. All the private schools would be in A along with most of the outstate teams. Roseau, Warroad, Hibbing, Grand Rapids, Cloquet. Duluth East would probably make the cut for the smaller schools. No argument about feeder programs or recruiting. 2 tournaments with the A Champion playing the AA Champion. I would just go back to one class but the high school league would never go for it. School size has nothing to do with the success of the team. There are plenty of large schools with good feeder programs that will never make the Tourney. Large schools like Forest Lake and St Francis will never play at the Xcel. And, there are plenty of private schools who will never make it either no matter what class you put them in. So why put them all in AA? Simplest solution is one class. One Tournament. One Champion.

[BlueLineSpecial]

Go strictly by enrollment. I don't know the exact number of hockey teams. If there is 150 then 75 of the largest in AA. Don't allow anyone to play up or down. This would make for a stronger A tournament. All the private schools would be in A along with most of the outstate teams. Roseau, Warroad, Hibbing, Grand Rapids, Cloquet. Duluth East would probably make the cut for the smaller schools. No argument about feeder programs or recruiting. 2 tournaments with the A Champion playing the AA Champion. I would just go back to one class but the high school league would never go for it. School size has nothing to do with the success of the team. There are plenty of large schools with good feeder programs that will never make the Tourney. Large schools like Forest Lake and St Francis will never play at the Xcel. And, there are plenty of private schools who will never make it either no matter what class you put them in. So why put them all in AA? Simplest solution is one class. One Tournament. One Champion.

Truth is, there are a lot of people that won't be happy until private schools are either forced into 1 section (never gonna happen), they have a separate tourney (never gonna happen), or they are not competitive (never gonna happen). People want Roseau competing with Moorhead for the title every year because it makes them feel warm and fuzzy about Minnesota hockey. They like the idea of some out-gunned, small-town team from the frigid north, whose players all learned to skate in the outdoor elements, coming down and pounding on the elite yuppy Edinas of the world. Those days are dead. This is sports progression in the 21st century. As long as the goal for players is move on to the next level, to get noticed, and to win, private schools will continue to be among the best in the state.

[imlisteningtothefnsong]

" Large schools like Forest Lake and St Francis will never play at the Xcel."

Hello Old Goalie, it' me Margaret!"

Blaspheme against the F Lake

[Tenoverpar]

If there is any private school that is out of the loop of the current trend of stacked teams it's CDH. BSM, Hill and STA are by far the hockey location of choice and have groups of players coming in annually.

[BodyShots]

Cretin plays in the top class in every sport, some by enrollment, others because they choose to opt up. I think that's why Cretin is looked at differently than all the other private schools, they as a school have a philosophy to compete in everything at the highest level.

Maybe its time PPG and his merry men, man up in all sports.

[MrBoDangles]

Go strictly by enrollment. I don't know the exact number of hockey teams. If there is 150 then 75 of the largest in AA. Don't allow anyone to play up or down. This would make for a stronger A tournament. All the private schools would be in A along with most of the outstate teams. Roseau, Warroad, Hibbing, Grand Rapids, Cloquet. Duluth East would probably make the cut for the smaller schools. No argument about feeder programs or recruiting. 2 tournaments with the A Champion playing the AA Champion. I would just go back to one class but the high school league would never go for it. School size has nothing to do with the success of the team. There are plenty of large schools with good feeder programs that will never make the Tourney. Large schools like Forest Lake and St Francis will never play at the Xcel. And, there are plenty of private schools who will never make it either no matter what class you put them in. So why put them all in AA? Simplest solution is one class. One Tournament. One Champion.

Truth is, there are a lot of people that won't be happy until private schools are either forced into 1 section (never gonna happen), they have a separate tourney (never gonna happen), or they are not competitive (never gonna happen). People want Roseau competing with Moorhead for the title every year because it makes them feel warm and fuzzy about Minnesota hockey. They like the idea of some out-gunned, small-town team from the frigid north, whose players all learned to skate in the outdoor elements, coming down and pounding on the elite yuppy Edinas of the world. Those days are dead. This is sports progression in the 21st century. As long as the goal for players is move on to the next level, to get noticed, and to win, private schools will continue to be among the best in the state.

Roseau just won the state title a few years ago..... "Dead"?

Little Moorhead has SEVEN players in the pro ranks with most of those getting time in the NHL. You would think the "Made" would have many more with all the kids they claim just because they went through their doors.

Better go get your kid on the hamster wheel at the "Made".

[BlueLineSpecial]

Cretin plays in the top class in every sport, some by enrollment, others because they choose to opt up. I think that's why Cretin is looked at differently than all the other private schools, they as a school have a philosophy to compete in everything at the highest level.

Maybe its time PPG and his merry men, man up in all sports.

Other than basketball and football, I'm assuming HM plays in the highest available class for every sport. In those two, I think their class positioning is in line

But hey lets keep this about hockey

[Pioneerprideguy]

Cretin plays in the top class in every sport, some by enrollment, others because they choose to opt up. I think that's why Cretin is looked at differently than all the other private schools, they as a school have a philosophy to compete in everything at the highest level.

Maybe its time PPG and his merry men, man up in all sports.

HM plays up in Baseball & Hockey and experiences success. HM plays at the assigned level in football based on their enrollment. Given the success of football the last 2 years and seeing the stream of players coming into the program, you are right Body, maybe it's time to move up and dominate there as well.

[almostashappy]

Truth is, there are a lot of people that won't be happy until private schools are either forced into 1 section (never gonna happen), they have a separate tourney (never gonna happen), or they are not competitive (never gonna happen).

Don't be so certain about a private school section. When MSHSL expanded Boys Lacrosse from 4 sections to 8 this year, they grouped these teams to form Section 6:

Academy of Holy Angels
Benilde-St. Margaret's School
Blake School (The)
Breck School
Cretin-Derham Hall High School
Saint Thomas Academy
Simley High School
Coop: 296 "Minneapolis"

The other seven sections combined have the same number of private schools, and no other section has more than two.

[BlueLineSpecial]

Go strictly by enrollment. I don't know the exact number of hockey teams. If there is 150 then 75 of the largest in AA. Don't allow anyone to play up or down. This would make for a stronger A tournament. All the private schools would be in A along with most of the outstate teams. Roseau, Warroad, Hibbing, Grand Rapids, Cloquet. Duluth East would probably make the cut for the smaller schools. No argument about feeder programs or recruiting. 2 tournaments with the A Champion playing the AA Champion. I would just go back to one class but the high school league would never go for it. School size has nothing to do with the success of the team. There are plenty of large schools with good feeder programs that will never make the Tourney. Large schools like Forest Lake and St Francis will never play at the Xcel. And, there are plenty of private schools who will never make it either no matter what class you put them in. So why put them all in AA? Simplest solution is one class. One Tournament. One Champion.

Truth is, there are a lot of people that won't be happy until private schools are either forced into 1 section (never gonna happen), they have a separate tourney (never gonna happen), or they are not competitive (never gonna happen). People want Roseau competing with Moorhead for the title every year because it makes them feel warm and fuzzy about Minnesota hockey. They like the idea of some out-gunned, small-town team from the frigid north, whose players all learned to skate in the outdoor elements, coming down and pounding on the elite yuppy Edinas of the world. Those days are dead. This is sports progression in the 21st century. As long as the goal for players is move on to the next level, to get noticed, and to win, private schools will continue to be among the best in the state.

Roseau just won the state title a few years ago..... "Dead"?

Little Moorhead has SEVEN players in the pro ranks with most of those getting time in the NHL. You would think the "Made" would have many more with all the kids they claim just because they went through their doors.

Better go get your kid on the hamster wheel at the "Made".

You info does absolutely nothing to dispute the fact that private schools are, and continue to become, hockey powerhouses and premier programs in the state. Seems to me its occuring far more rapidly than ever before. Roseau winning a few years ago is great, but that scenario will continue to become more and more rare. List all the recent titles and players at higher levels from northern schools you want. It doesn't change the fact that private schools, and wealthy suburban schools, are going to be winning the vast majority of titles moving foward.

[MrBoDangles]

Old Goalie...I'm with you except I would like to see an all-privates "section" for State

It's needed.

[BlueLineSpecial]

Truth is, there are a lot of people that won't be happy until private schools are either forced into 1 section (never gonna happen), they have a separate tourney (never gonna happen), or they are not competitive (never gonna happen).

Don't be so certain about a private school section. When MSHSL expanded Boys Lacrosse from 4 sections to 8 this year, they grouped these teams to form Section 6:

Academy of Holy Angels
Benilde-St. Margaret's School
Blake School (The)
Breck School
Cretin-Derham Hall High School
Saint Thomas Academy
Simley High School
Coop: 296 "Minneapolis"

The other seven sections combined have the same number of private schools, and no other section has more than two.

Interesting. I guess anything is possible, I just don't see it happening. I'd think an all private tourney is more a possibility than an all private section in hockey. Just my two-cents...

[MrBoDangles]

Truth is, there are a lot of people that won't be happy until private schools are either forced into 1 section (never gonna happen), they have a separate tourney (never gonna happen), or they are not competitive (never gonna happen). People want Roseau competing with Moorhead for the title every year because it makes them feel warm and fuzzy about Minnesota hockey. They like the idea of some out-gunned, small-town team from the frigid north, whose players all learned to skate in the outdoor elements, coming down and pounding on the elite yuppy Edinas of the world. Those days are dead. This is sports progression in the 21st century. As long as the goal for players is move on to the next level, to get noticed, and to win, private schools will continue to be among the best in the state.

Roseau just won the state title a few years ago..... "Dead"?

Little Moorhead has SEVEN players in the pro ranks with most of those getting time in the NHL. You would think the "Made" would have many more with all the kids they claim just because they went through their doors.

Better go get your kid on the hamster wheel at the "Made".

You info does absolutely nothing to dispute the fact that private schools are, and continue to become, hockey powerhouses and premier programs in the state. Seems to me its occuring far more rapidly than ever before. Roseau winning a few years ago is great, but that scenario will continue to become more and more rare. List all the recent titles and players at higher levels from northern schools you want. It doesn't change the fact that private schools, and wealthy suburban schools, are going to be winning the vast majority of titles moving foward.

You said "DEAD" in this century and I simply showed you otherwise. Northern squads have been doing fine if you check this centuries tournament results. The south metro public teams will be the ones being hurt..

[BlueLineSpecial]

Roseau just won the state title a few years ago..... "Dead"?

Little Moorhead has SEVEN players in the pro ranks with most of those getting time in the NHL. You would think the "Made" would have many more with all the kids they claim just because they went through their doors.

Better go get your kid on the hamster wheel at the "Made".

You info does absolutely nothing to dispute the fact that private schools are, and continue to become, hockey powerhouses and premier programs in the state. Seems to me its occuring far more rapidly than ever before. Roseau winning a few years ago is great, but that scenario will continue to become more and more rare. List all the recent titles and players at higher levels from northern schools you want. It doesn't change the fact that private schools, and wealthy suburban schools, are going to be winning the vast majority of titles moving foward.

You said "DEAD" in this century and I simply showed you otherwise. Northern squads have been doing fine if you check this centuries tournament results. The south metro public teams will be the ones being hurt..

Fair enough. I just see the landscape shifting dramatically. Dumping all privates into one section is punishing them for success. It doesn't make sense geographically, which is what sections is all about, isn't it?

Side note, I'm not exactly thrilled with the way things are going. When not rooting for HM, I'm rooting for the underdog, the small school, the out-state school. Aside from tipping the scales intentionally, I don't see it reversing itself. There's an ebb and flow to any program, but private school hockey programs arent going away and its highly unlikely they are going to fall off the map.

[thestickler07]

Roseau just won the state title a few years ago..... "Dead"?

Little Moorhead has SEVEN players in the pro ranks with most of those getting time in the NHL. You would think the "Made" would have many more with all the kids they claim just because they went through their doors.

Better go get your kid on the hamster wheel at the "Made".

Roseau won back in 06-07, so it was a "long time ago" for most of the younger kids in these programs.

[MrBoDangles]

Roseau just won the state title a few years ago..... "Dead"?

Little Moorhead has SEVEN players in the pro ranks with most of those getting time in the NHL. You would think the "Made" would have many more with all the kids they claim just because they went through their doors.

Better go get your kid on the hamster wheel at the "Made".

Roseau won back in 06-07, so it was a "long time ago" for most of the younger kids in these programs.

Roseau state champs in 90' 99' 07'

Hill Murray state champs in 91' 08'

Ya, I'm sure the current kids in these high school programs were poopin' in their Pampers way back in 07'-08'.