2009-10 Scores

[hockeywild7]

The officiating couldn't be more inconsistent. I really think it makes it difficult on a nightly basis to know what you can and cannot do as a player.

[Melvin44]

My daughter who I THINK is a clean player commented that a ref during the Cretin game was actually taunting her? Saying things like you can't touch girls out in front of the net. go ahead say something. I dare you. In another game a ref told her opposing players could go into the crease even though the puck wasn't?? I know they have a tough job and I normally will support them. but????

I think sometimes they have to realize it's the players game and not ruin it by getting caught up. Let them play a little. There job is hard but I feel they can gain control by telling coaches before the game how they're going to call it. Every ref is different and just need to be consistant for both teams. I do like only having 2 refs.

That being said WBL did take some dumb penalties which were called and should have been.

[hockeya1a]

My daughter who I THINK is a clean player commented that a ref during the Cretin game was actually taunting her? Saying things like you can't touch girls out in front of the net. go ahead say something. I dare you. In another game a ref told her opposing players could go into the crease even though the puck wasn't?? I know they have a tough job and I normally will support them. but????

I think sometimes they have to realize it's the players game and not ruin it by getting caught up. Let them play a little. There job is hard but I feel they can gain control by telling coaches before the game how they're going to call it. Every ref is different and just need to be consistant for both teams. I do like only having 2 refs.

That being said WBL did take some dumb penalties which were called and should have been.

We could start a thread on what we think should and should not be called!

Hooking is a big one that gets over looked if your stick is on the other persons body for more than a second and, or you impede that player or alter their direction, it should be called.

[hockeywild7]

I agree 100% with hockeya1a. They are destroying the girls game by not calling all the grabbing and hooking. I thought it was a point of emphasis a year ago now they ignore it. The girls game is about skating and finesse, don't destroythe game by taking that away.

[hockey77coach]

I agree that the officiating has been inconsistant and let me offer a few reasons.

Number 1 - The girls game is getting more physical each year and most high school officials do not grow up officiating physical USA girls games.

Number 2 - The change from the 2 Officials - 1 Linesman system to the 2 Officials system means more time spent watching offsides and icings.

Number 3 - The change in the system has also meant that officials who strictly worked boys in the past, are now working girls because some of the "experienced" officials can no longer keep up with the play. This has not been an easy transition for some officials.

Melvin - your daughter is a clean player and plays the game right. I sure hope she heard the official wrong. Communication to players and coaches has been an issue in the past and is being highlighted in all meetings and seminars.

Also, WBL will go as far as their willingness to stay out of the box. They have a lot of talent but the power plays they give to their opponents will eventually bite them in the a..

[PowerForward25]

My daughter who I THINK is a clean player commented that a ref during the Cretin game was actually taunting her? Saying things like you can't touch girls out in front of the net. go ahead say something. I dare you. In another game a ref told her opposing players could go into the crease even though the puck wasn't?? I know they have a tough job and I normally will support them. but????

I think sometimes they have to realize it's the players game and not ruin it by getting caught up. Let them play a little. There job is hard but I feel they can gain control by telling coaches before the game how they're going to call it. Every ref is different and just need to be consistant for both teams. I do like only having 2 refs.

That being said WBL did take some dumb penalties which were called and should have been.

It's time for USA hockey to fix this system. Possibly girls only refs? Either way if it isn't fixed you can see a drastic increase in concussions and other injuries for girls hockey. Don't get me wrong i love a physical game but enough is enough.

[jumpstart]

Also, WBL will go as far as their willingness to stay out of the box. They have a lot of talent but the power plays they give to their opponents will eventually bite them in the a..

Couldn't agree with you more ... and against good teams like Roseville, this will become apparent.

While I agree that the refereeing is inconsistent this year, players and coaches must adjust to how the referees are calling a game. When a referee calls a penalty and sees the player make body gestures as to why the penalty was called or hears the player or coach complain, the ref is more likely to call another penalty on the same team. I have yet to see a referee reverse a penalty call once it has been made. I also believe referees talk amongst themselves about certain players and who to watch. Once a player, or a team for that matter, gets the reputation of taking penalties, it becomes easier for referees to call penalties on that player or team.

[Bensonmum]

There were two 'controversial' plays in the Edina-Roseville game on Tuesday. In each case the crowd (or half of it) were upset and no doubt thought the calls were bad. But both times the officials made the right call (even if they missed something).

1) Roseville 2-on-1, pass through the crease, Roseville RW and Edina D meet the goalie at the left post, the net was moved a little bit (maybe 2 inches, it was not even noticeable from the stands), the puck goes into the corner along with 4 players and the ref, scramble, puck comes out front, Roseville scores. The goalie had quit on the play because of the net being displaced. Nobody saw the net move but the goalie. The goalie never should have quit since there was no whistle, and understandably, none of the officials saw the net move. Goal allowed, correct call.
2) Roseville shot, hits the crossbar and bounces into the goal about a foot inside the goal line and somewhow bounces out in a split second. The ref didn't see this, play goes on, after discussion at the next whistle, no goal. Correct call.

Officials can't see everything, all they can do is do their best to make a correct call--in these cases, fans (and maybe players and coaches) go home complaining about the officiating, yet the officials made the right calls to the best of their abilities. I also think the officials were in the correct position for each of the plays.

[Melvin44]

Here's my take.

Slashing, highsticking, checking, boarding, tripping, elbowing are all no brainers.

Interference, hooking etc are judgement calls by the referee's. Just be consistant! What I see is the ref's are calling by score and sometimes by who's the home team.

I feel strongly that any player who intentionally checks or slashes someone whether it's by the boards or not should be given a 2 min and 10 minute major. These kind of penalties make me sick to my stomach. Coaches must also be held accountable for continued cheap play. Don't just sit a player a shift. Make it a period or game/s

I'd rather lose without a cheap star player than win with one!

[hockeyheaven]

I'd rather lose without a cheap star player than win with one!

Strictly hypothetical... right Melvy

[frozenfeet]

Here's my take.

Slashing, highsticking, checking, boarding, tripping, elbowing are all no brainers.

Interference, hooking etc are judgement calls by the referee's. Just be consistant! What I see is the ref's are calling by score and sometimes by who's the home team.

I feel strongly that any player who intentionally checks or slashes someone whether it's by the boards or not should be given a 2 min and 10 minute major. These kind of penalties make me sick to my stomach. Coaches must also be held accountable for continued cheap play. Don't just sit a player a shift. Make it a period or game/s

I'd rather lose without a cheap star player than win with one!

I totally agree with your comments. Players should be held accountable for their own behavior. But more importantly, it is ultimately the coach that should be held accountable for the discipline of the players and the team. No matter how talented a player is, if they have a bad attitude and/or are undisciplined, they by far hurt a team more than help it. Inconsistency in rules and enforcement of rules from a coach kills team morale and angers parents and players. It also makes parents and players question the coach's seriousness. Hardworking players that are disciplined and can manage their behavior, and their parents, most likely will become angry with the coach and disappointed with the team if the coach doesn't have the courage to deal with these types of players and situations.

[northshore guy]

Anoka 4-2 over Shakopee

Anoka scored an empty netter with about 30 seconds or so left. Anoka has some pretty good team speed and played solid D.

[starmvp]

Warroad Warriors 4
East Grand Forks Green Wave 0

Breck 10
Holy Family Catholic 0

[Falcon 89 Fan]

Faribault 5 Mankato West 1

[Silent But Deadly]

Buffalo 5 Maple Grove 5

Buffalo overcame a 5-2 deficit in the third period. Buffalo played without their top defenseman who is out with a torn MCL and mono. Casey Hirsch left the game due to injury late in the 3rd period.

[grlzhockeyrocks]

Interesting thread regarding the refs and you all make very good and valid points. We understand their job is very difficult but some are just plain incompetent and sometimes down right arrogant. My daughter, much like Melvin's has been challenged and talked "down to" by one unnamed ref in particular. This is the same ref who refuses to shake hands with our coaches prior to games because of a 2 year vendetta/grudge he holds.

In my humble opinion and for what it's worth (not much I'm sure), they should be required to pass a skills test and prove somehow they possess the knowledge necessary to ref at this level. They should be required to attend clinics similiar to the coaches and demonstrate they belong at a higher echelon than just pee wee hockey. Finally, each one should be graded at each game by an independant source and reviewed by a membership of retired coaches/refs/players/parents who don't have a vested interest. The information obtained can be used as both a training tool for future referees and as constructive feedback for the current ones. The girls have obviously picked up their game the past few years, its time the high school league and the refs do the same.

[mnpuckmaster]

Based on results to date, no question now that Roseville deserves to be ranked No. 1 in AA.

Now What? I guess we will find out Monday!

[OntheEdge]

Here's my take.

Slashing, highsticking, checking, boarding, tripping, elbowing are all no brainers.

Interference, hooking etc are judgement calls by the referee's. Just be consistant! What I see is the ref's are calling by score and sometimes by who's the home team.

I feel strongly that any player who intentionally checks or slashes someone whether it's by the boards or not should be given a 2 min and 10 minute major. These kind of penalties make me sick to my stomach. Coaches must also be held accountable for continued cheap play. Don't just sit a player a shift. Make it a period or game/s

I'd rather lose without a cheap star player than win with one!

I don't know Melvin. I just have some thoughts that crossed my mind in reading your post that I wanted to throw out there.

First of all, in today's game I think hooking is just as much a no brainer as tripping, high sticking, etc. The new emphasis has made hooking pretty black and white. If you get your stick horizontal and it is used to slow someone up its a hook regardless of your intent or how long you put your stick in there. I don't think hooking is called enough in girls HS hockey and I agree with some of these posts that say that girls get away with more hooking than the boys, college or even the NHL. When watching the pros, it seems to me that all that a player has to do is get his stick horizontal and a hook is called.

Second, I think you are attempting to change the rules in giving a 2-10 for ordinary checking or slashing if it is deemed to be intentional. If we start trying to determine intention I think the game gets more complicated and more difficult for the refs to enforce the rules. I think if a slash or check results in injury or is particularly brutal a major penalty or a disqualification can be assessed and it would be called roughing, game misconduct or cross checking. Intention isn't a necessary component for these penalties to be called.

And finally, in regards to your comment about rather losing without a cheap player than win with a cheap player. I think you would be the exception to the rule that everyone seems to like their own "aggressive" player but despise the other team's aggressive player (e.g. Wild fans love Clutterbuck and Boogie but other teams' fans hate them). Of course no one wants to see someone get hurt but degrees of aggressiveness are subjective and part of game. I think the refs do a pretty good job in trying to keep things under control. I often see them send two to the box to cool down before it gets out of hand. Also, a coach will not tolerate a player that hurts the team with dumb penalties.

P.S. I'm showing my dark side but what I personally don't like about the girls game (and this is just testosterone talking from an old college linebacker) is that there is little if any accountability among the girls. In boy's hockey or in other boy's sports such as football most players aren't cheap because they know there will be retribution. In the girls game I rarely if ever see retribution and the girls that are cheap largely go unchecked (pun intended). Too often I see a girl cheap shot someone and go and giggle to their friends on the bench like it was funny. Its seems that they don't know how it feels to be slashed punched or jabbed in the calf with a stick. I know I'm wrong in thinking this but I wonder if the threat of retribution would curb the attitude of some of these girls that like to play cheap. I've seen a few cheap players over the years cheap shot someone but turn around and whimper when they get bumped a little because it hurts. Maybe if retribution was feared such girls would keep it clean. Of course this isn't politically correct and is probably just wrong but the thought has crossed my mind.

[Melvin44]

All good comments. Isn't refereeing all interpretation? Let's all remember it is a tough job and mistakes will be made. What I'd like to see is ref's talk with the coaches for both teams and tell them what they look for or how they ref a game. AND THEN BE CONSISTENT!

As far as a cheap player I'm sick of a player checking someone and then like you said laugh or giggle and fist bump. Inexcusable! I'm not saying it's the coaches fault. I do think they might be able to control a player somewhat. Benching, drop down to a lower line if a stupid penalty is taken etc. Something.

I also get a kick out of parents who will say we told she can only get 2 penalties a game or In college it wouldn't be an issue ????????? What???????

Is it going to take a player getting seriously injured to change these players attitudes? My answer. Probably not as they'll say it was an accident. and believe it. With a few it's intentional when you play to hurt somebody.

[jumpstart]

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I feel strongly that any player who intentionally checks or slashes someone whether it's by the boards or not should be given a 2 min and 10 minute major. These kind of penalties make me sick to my stomach. Coaches must also be held accountable for continued cheap play. Don't just sit a player a shift. Make it a period or game/s

I'd rather lose without a cheap star player than win with one!

I don't know Melvin. I just have some thoughts that crossed my mind in reading your post that I wanted to throw out there.

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And finally, in regards to your comment about rather losing without a cheap player than win with a cheap player. I think you would be the exception to the rule that everyone seems to like their own "aggressive" player but despise the other team's aggressive player (e.g. Wild fans love Clutterbuck and Boogie but other teams' fans hate them). Of course no one wants to see someone get hurt but degrees of aggressiveness are subjective and part of game. I think the refs do a pretty good job in trying to keep things under control. I often see them send two to the box to cool down before it gets out of hand. Also, a coach will not tolerate a player that hurts the team with dumb penalties.

I must also be the exception to the rule as I would also rather see a loss without a cheap player than a win with one. I despise the cheap play -- not only does it have the potential to seriously hurt another player, it also hurts the team and the program.

One would hope the coach would not tolerate a player that hurts the team with dumb penalties, but when we are going into the 9th game of the season and the same player has taken two or more penalties in 4 of the 8 games thus far, it certainly leaves the parents and other players scratching their heads.

[State Champ 97]

Bemidji 4
Grand Rapids/Greenway 3
Final

[MNHockeyFan]

Based on results to date, no question now that Roseville deserves to be ranked No. 1 in AA.

Now What? I guess we will find out Monday!

You are right, now what? The ranking business just got a lot more difficult with Stillwater's huge win. It would be hard to justify ranking Roseville over Stillwater, when they just lost to them, but it would be hard to rank Stillwater No. 1 when they've already lost two games compared to Roseville's lone defeat.

Whatever, it was an excellent girls hockey game last night between these two very talented teams. I also watched some of the boys game immediately following, but thought the girls game was a lot more interesting.

[MNHockeyFan]

Based on results to date, no question now that Roseville deserves to be ranked No. 1 in AA.

Now What? I guess we will find out Monday!

You are right, now what? The ranking business just got a lot more difficult with Stillwater's huge win. It would be hard to justify ranking Roseville over Stillwater, when they just lost to them, but it would be hard to rank Stillwater No. 1 when they've already lost two games compared to Roseville's lone defeat.

Whatever, it was an excellent girls hockey game last night between these two very talented teams. I also watched some of the boys game immediately following, but thought the girls game was a lot more interesting.

[hockeyheaven]

I guess it should go to the last of the unbeaten team… Elk River Elks

[MNHockeyFan]

I guess it should go to the last of the unbeaten team… Elk River Elks

Or, maybe it's just time for KRACH to take over and see what the computer generates!