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Spinner, Lay out your personal situation, with details, so we can understand why you would oppose a change to June 1. We're missing something. It's a perfectly logical change. TonyL, You should let someone else do the talking because most of us have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Tel...

A kid born June 1 2002 to Aug 31, 2002 who started K at age 5 is going into 3rd grade. To play with the rest of the 3rd graders (delayed K entry June 1 to Aug 31, 2001 and regular K start Sept 1, 2001 to May 31, 2002) they will have to play outside the June 1 2000 - May 31, 2002 window. Otherwise t...

I am of the belief that if we are really trying to do tier 1 youth hockey that we (MN) will field 2 or maybe 3 real tier 1 teams (similar to summer). I have to agree here and this may be the biggest obstacle. The reality is there just isn't enough talent in Minnesota at any age group to ice 13 Tier...

Stop promoting falsehoods. Currently, June summer kids who are held back only get to play with their class mates every other year and have no place to play in their association in their 9th grade. They still were eligible to play 2 years of bantams, the same as everyone else. They have 4 years of H...

The whole barking behind Tier 1 is to drive the competition level up. Period. That's it. That's what it comes down to. That's why 8th graders and 9th graders play high school instead of that last Bantam year. It's so you don't have Edina PWA driving to South ST Paul on a Tuesday night through 8 inc...

Getting into a spitting contest with each other will not be helpful in the long run.. Having a civil discussion might get both of you down the road toward a better tomorrow for Minnesota hockey.. :lol: There are reasonable people at MAHA who would hear a case when the time is right ... SECoach isn'...

The parent organization of Minnesota Hockey, USA Hockey is moving farther and farther away from what you are looking for. 12 and under National Championiships have been eliminated. Really. There'll be an awful lot of people in Hackensack, New Jersey and San Jose, California come March 30th of next ...

SECoach wrote:Yes, I'll fight tooth and nail to prevent someone with a personal agenda from screwing it up for everyone else.

Got any mirrors in the house?

My message is there have been no valid reasons given to change it. I've heard only reasons not to change it. Improved techniques in brain surgury are hard to argue with. The reasons given for changing our hockey system so far are: People choose to play Tier 1 Hockey for different reasons. They don'...

You don't control any of the dates, but you fight only 1, and it matters in only 1 of them? You have clearly pointed out that tier 1 is far better than association hockey. You just cant seem to look at the big picture. One affects the other. We are not talking apples and oranges, we are talking abo...

Yeah, I knew all that. I just wanted you to make the point that, out of all his choices, he opted to develop by playing high school hockey in Minnesota. Thanks. ??? he chose to play high school in Warroad where his uncle lived instead of continuing on in the Seattle Junior Hockey Association ... ok...

Your main reason for changing the date to June 1st is to let classmates play together. Children that have been held back because their birthday was in June through August. Let them play with their classmates. A clear and relatively good argument. OK, we are clear on that ... so far so good ... (tho...

puck, Which is it? Tier 1 or association? You keep talking (and your biggest argument) is that moving the date allows kids to play with their classmates. Yet you seem to advocate AAA or tier 1 hockey, not association. You talk on another discussion topic and say something almost entirely different....

Yeah it's about my ego because I support an organization with decades of success, constant improvement, and whether you like it or believe it, is the model organization in the country. I know you talked to a guy one time that said Mass, or Mich, is the best so you won't understand that. It's about ...

SECoach wrote:I do need to like your reasons, or I'll fight it tooth and nail.

Right. it's all about your ego and that's the unfortunate thing ... it ought to be about the membership ... the sooner you and people like you understand that, the better off we'll all be ...

you nailed it... they are held back from starting school. It is not starting school at the normal time. If the vast majority of June-Aug. bithdate kids delay entry (especially boys), wouldn't they now be starting at the normal time. These days, it is the summer birthdates that don't delay (often ag...

you nailed it... they are held back from starting school. It is not starting school at the normal time. The only help they get is IF they are held back, they can play 1 more year of hockey before high school. With the excetion of weird small town in Wisconsin where apparently it's all the rage, peo...

My message is there have been no valid reasons given to change it. I've heard only reasons not to change it. Improved techniques in brain surgury are hard to argue with. The reasons given for changing our hockey system so far are: People choose to play Tier 1 Hockey for different reasons. They don'...

Except that TJ Oshie is neither an '87 or a Minnesotan. Oshie was born in 1986 in Washington State and played his first 10 years of hockey all the way through bantams in Everett, Washington, playing mostly in Canadian Leagues. He spent only 3 years playing hockey in Minnesota, moving from Washingto...

It's not about when they start. It doesn't matter when they start. If it is just about when they start it doesn't matter if the date is Feburay 3rd or November 16th etc. etc. It also doesn't matter who's the oldest and who's the youngest. Somebody is going to be oldest and somebody is going to be yo...

Right, but the lions share of the kids that are held back are June-August summer babies who would be starting younger than the others. Not sure if your 40 year old brother qualifies in this context ... :shock: Minnesota Hockey chose July 1 to accomodate these exact kids, but the left out 1/3 of them...

Except that TJ Oshie is neither an '87 or a Minnesotan. Oshie was born in 1986 in Washington State and played his first 10 years of hockey all the way through bantams in Everett, Washington, playing mostly in Canadian Leagues. He spent only 3 years playing hockey in Minnesota, moving from Washington...

how does moving this date for HOCKEY help many? How is it helping them? Glad your kids were mature enough to handle the early start. Some aren't as fortunate. It allows parents of summer kids who aren't mature enough to start early to start at their own speed and not be penalized for it, getting th...

JSR - "the masses" do not exist . I didn't see any references to "masses" either. But for the sake of those who are in the system, I hope they get the fair and equitable resolution they deserve. You said "helps MANY, hurts no one". The word "many" insinuates ...

council member retired-- from your handle i'll assume you know more about the state than i do but i checked yesterday and our association doesnt allow younger players to move up to "play up" with their grade our high school jv/varsity has one summer birthday that didn't get held back and ...