Clinton proposes 401(k)s, matching funds ??

[Govs93]

You Might Be A Liberal If...


You think Al Franken is actually funny, but Rush Limbaugh is not.

C'mon now, I think Rush is hilarious. I'll give you some examples of his comedy!

- Rush upholds "family values" in the face of "liberal" immorality, but has been married and divorced 3 times, and was detained (while divorced) after returning from the Dominican Republic with a bunch of male friends and bottle full of mislabled Viagra. What would a guy who is so adamently against premarital sex be doing with that?!

- He attacks drug users, drug dealers, and the "liberal" judges who do not sentence users and dealers to long prison terms, but is addicted to Oxycontin to the point where he committed fraud to obtain it, and had his attorneys cozy up to judges to keep him out of the slammer!

- Rush wraps himself in the flag and turns loose his attack dogs on anyone who is not a "patriot", but dodged the Vietnam draft by having his doctor bail him out because of a cyst on his ass!

I think Rush is far more hilarious than Franken!

[carpenterguy]

You Might Be A Liberal If...


You think Al Franken is actually funny, but Rush Limbaugh is not.

C'mon now, I think Rush is hilarious. I'll give you some examples of his comedy!

- Rush upholds "family values" in the face of "liberal" immorality, but has been married and divorced 3 times, and was detained (while divorced) after returning from the Dominican Republic with a bunch of male friends and bottle full of mislabled Viagra. What would a guy who is so adamently against premarital sex be doing with that?!

- He attacks drug users, drug dealers, and the "liberal" judges who do not sentence users and dealers to long prison terms, but is addicted to Oxycontin to the point where he committed fraud to obtain it, and had his attorneys cozy up to judges to keep him out of the slammer!

- Rush wraps himself in the flag and turns loose his attack dogs on anyone who is not a "patriot", but dodged the Vietnam draft by having his doctor bail him out because of a cyst on his ass!

I think Rush is far more hilarious than Franken!

I'm glad you could find one!

[ChrisK]

As much as I like bashing Rush Limbaugh, getting back to the original issue:

Saw this on the news trailer today....
Why in the world does she think we should do this?...

Also one of my concerns would be who would be the trustee of the accounts??? the federal government?? we already have them helping themselves to social security.....bad idea....again.

But it's something to kick around on the "Bored"

First of all, how exactly is the federal government helping themselves to social security? The problem with social security is that as the baby boomers start retiring there will be more people taking out money than people paying in. The real issue is a problem of net income. There are really only two logical ways to deal with that, increasing the amount that the people currently working pay in or decreasing the benefits. Neither option is something that any politician will touch with a ten foot pole, so you get "solutions" like Bush's and Clinton's.

Social security was a program set up by FDR in the '30s to give some income to impoverished elderly folks, many sent to the poorhouse by the stock market crash, bank failures or farm bankruptcy. For those who fear socialism, well that's what this program is, a pure capitalist would've let those people rot. Social Security has worked quite well, how many of us out there have elderly parents living with them as would likely be the case without it. It needs to be tweaked but no one will have the guts to do it until it reaches a crisis point as is the case so often in American politics.

[packerboy]

They are nothing more than shock jock political commentators.

Ann Coultier is one of the best.

Why do we get sucked into what they have to say.
Its get really old and very predictable.

I used to get a kick out of Howard Stern but now he bores the livin heck out of me.

But as Libearce used to say when they made fun of him: "I cry all the way to the bank."

[packerboy]

Ah Chris, Congress has dipped into SS big time. Thats the problem.

If I had put all the money I paid into SS into a conservative IRA, Id be done working by now.

The money isnt there Chris.

Think it through. If all of us boomers have been paying in and the money is still there, why is there a shortage?

If I could opt out , I would in a second. The reason they wont let you is because they want the money left in so the Democrats can spend it on people who will vote for them.

[carpenterguy]

Social Security was never supposed to be touched by Congress but many years ago the Dems opened it up and since then they have created a HUGE mess!

[carpenterguy]

If I could opt out , I would in a second. The reason they wont let you is because they want the money left in so the Democrats can spend it on people who will vote for them.

Funny that the Reps couldn't get that legislation passed over the last 6 years or in the 80's when they controlled both the executive & legislative branches, isn't it?

It brings up a valid question though. If they had passed an opt-out act, where would you point all those fingers of yours?!

No need to point fingers! Everyone who knows anything about the history of Social Security realizes the Dems broke the seal. The rest is history!!

[BIAFP]

If I could opt out , I would in a second. The reason they wont let you is because they want the money left in so the Democrats can spend it on people who will vote for them.

Funny that the Reps couldn't get that legislation passed over the last 6 years or in the 80's when they controlled both the executive & legislative branches, isn't it?

It brings up a valid question though. If they had passed an opt-out act, where would you point all those fingers of yours?!

No need to point fingers! Everyone who knows anything about the history of Social Security realizes the Dems broke the seal. The rest is history!!

Cguy- As much as I agree with you....you have to quit bothering these dems with facts. You can't be happy being miserable if you keep getting distracted by reality.

[ChrisK]

If I could opt out , I would in a second. The reason they wont let you is because they want the money left in so the Democrats can spend it on people who will vote for them.

Funny that the Reps couldn't get that legislation passed over the last 6 years or in the 80's when they controlled both the executive & legislative branches, isn't it?

It brings up a valid question though. If they had passed an opt-out act, where would you point all those fingers of yours?!

No need to point fingers! Everyone who knows anything about the history of Social Security realizes the Dems broke the seal. The rest is history!!

Hmm, looks like you're pointing fingers there. See, that's what happens when you try to have a logical discussion about something it all ends up being politicized.

[Govs93]

Funny that the Reps couldn't get that legislation passed over the last 6 years or in the 80's when they controlled both the executive & legislative branches, isn't it?

It brings up a valid question though. If they had passed an opt-out act, where would you point all those fingers of yours?!

No need to point fingers! Everyone who knows anything about the history of Social Security realizes the Dems broke the seal. The rest is history!!

Hmm, looks like you're pointing fingers there. See, that's what happens when you try to have a logical discussion about something it all ends up being politicized.

I started discounting everything BIAFP said long ago - don't get riled up by him.

At least CG & PB have ways to (attempt) backup their arguments. BIAFP just throws the same moronic b.s. out and somehow thinks it should be taken as credible.... "dems don't know reality", "pinheads", "Hilary looks like a man", all republicans are pro-life", "sheep" (which he started using after I posted it here... couldn't come up with that on his own). He's just a mindless rightwing idiot who follows whatever his cult leader(s) tells him.

Just ignore him. Disagree with the others who can at least make a legitimate argument. Or better yet, just stand back and watch the show they're putting on for themselves. Its kind of entertaining!

[carpenterguy]

Funny that the Reps couldn't get that legislation passed over the last 6 years or in the 80's when they controlled both the executive & legislative branches, isn't it?

It brings up a valid question though. If they had passed an opt-out act, where would you point all those fingers of yours?!

No need to point fingers! Everyone who knows anything about the history of Social Security realizes the Dems broke the seal. The rest is history!!

Hmm, looks like you're pointing fingers there. See, that's what happens when you try to have a logical discussion about something it all ends up being politicized.

Sorry ChrisK: I'm not pointing fingers! I'm simply stating a fact. Look up the history of Social Security. It's right there for you.