2023-2024 New Section Alignment?
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2023 4:11 pm
Anyone have any guesses on what sections could look like next year with Rock Ridge & Denfeld going AA?
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Things that we don't know...ClassAGuy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:00 pm Here was I guess I did (I will put Rosemount in 1AA as fall back if JM is dead)
1AA (9)- Lakeville South, Rochester Mayo, Lakeville North, Rochester Century, Hastings, Rochester John Marshall, Owatonna, Farmington, Rosemount
2AA (9)- Minnetonka, Chanhassen, Holy Family Catholic, Shakopee, Eden Prairie, Prior Lake, Chaska, Bloomington Jefferson, Waconia
3AA (8)- STA, CDH, Eastview, Apple Vally/Burnsville, Park Cottage Grove, Eagan, Woodbury, East Ridge
4AA (8)- HM, WBL, Stillwater, Gentry, Roseville, Tartan, Mounds View, Irondale
5AA (9)- MG, Rogers, Centinnal, CP, Spring Lake Park, Osseo, Blaine, Coon Rapids, TG
6AA (8)- Edina, Wayzata, BSM, AHA, Blake, St Louis Park, Hopkins, Armstrong/Cooper
7AA (9)- Andover, Northern Edge, East, GR, Anoka, DM, FL, DD, RR
8AA (9)- Moorhead, Bemidji, Roseau, St Cloud, STMA, Brainerd, Buffalo, ER, Sartell
1A- (9) Albert Lea, Dodge County, La Crescent, Rochester Lourdes, Winona, Waseca, Austin, Faribault, New Prague
2A- (10) Orono, Providence Academy, Delano, Minneapolis, Southwest Christian, Breck, Mound Westonka, Bloomington Kennedy, Hutchinson, LDC
3A- (10) New Ulm, Luverne, Marshall, Windom, Fairmont, Worthington, Redwood Valley, Mankato East, Mankato West, Minnesota River
4A- (10) Mahtomedi, Two Rivers, St Paul Highland Park, St Paul Academy, Simley, South St Paul, St Paul Johnson, Northfield, Red Wing, Chisago Lakes
5A- (9) Monticello, Cambridge Isanti, St Cloud Cathedral, Princeton, Sauk Rapids, Pine City, Becker/Big Lake, Mora, Little Falls
6A- (9) Alexandria, Fergus Falls, Northern Lakes, Wadena, Morris Benson, Prairie Centre, Breckenridge/Wahpeton, River Lakes, Willmar
7A- (9) Hermantown, Hibbing, Cloquet, Greenway, Proctor, International Falls, North Shore, Ely, Moose Lake
8A- (10) Warroad, East Grand Forks, Detroit Lakes, Thief River Falls, Kittson County Central, Red Lake Falls, Bagley/Fosston, Park Rapids, Crookston, Lake of the Woods
WOW this will have a big impact thenbardown27 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:12 pm based on this document, looks like enrollment cut off for hockey is going down. was 1299 and above for 2021/2022 and 2022/2023 seasons, looks like it is dropping to 1202 for 2023/2024 and 2024/2025 seasons
https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... 2025_0.pdf
https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... 4-2025.pdfClassAGuy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:36 pmWOW this will have a big impact thenbardown27 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:12 pm based on this document, looks like enrollment cut off for hockey is going down. was 1299 and above for 2021/2022 and 2022/2023 seasons, looks like it is dropping to 1202 for 2023/2024 and 2024/2025 seasons
https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... 2025_0.pdf
Based on 2021-22 & 22-23 Emrollments all the below will be bumped up to AA
Waconia 1288 Most likely to 2AA
Northfield 1281 Most likely to 1AA
Sauk Rapids 1280 Most likely to 8AA
Bloomington Kennedy 1252 most likely to 2AA or maybe this bumps them and Jefferson back into 3AA?
New Prague 1250 most likely to 2AA
Two Rivers 1209 most likely to 4AA
Alexandria 1206 most likely to 8AA
Would bump St Micheal & Buffalo out of 8AA maybe with Alex and Sauk Rapids coming in...
Fun to speculate if those enrollments are true and the above cutoff looks much lower now wow big changes ahead the New Sections are approved on April 6th so we wont have to wait terribly long
Where did you find the new numbers? Great information Thanksbardown27 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:42 pmhttps://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... 4-2025.pdfClassAGuy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:36 pmWOW this will have a big impact thenbardown27 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:12 pm based on this document, looks like enrollment cut off for hockey is going down. was 1299 and above for 2021/2022 and 2022/2023 seasons, looks like it is dropping to 1202 for 2023/2024 and 2024/2025 seasons
https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... 2025_0.pdf
Based on 2021-22 & 22-23 Emrollments all the below will be bumped up to AA
Waconia 1288 Most likely to 2AA
Northfield 1281 Most likely to 1AA
Sauk Rapids 1280 Most likely to 8AA
Bloomington Kennedy 1252 most likely to 2AA or maybe this bumps them and Jefferson back into 3AA?
New Prague 1250 most likely to 2AA
Two Rivers 1209 most likely to 4AA
Alexandria 1206 most likely to 8AA
Would bump St Micheal & Buffalo out of 8AA maybe with Alex and Sauk Rapids coming in...
Fun to speculate if those enrollments are true and the above cutoff looks much lower now wow big changes ahead the New Sections are approved on April 6th so we wont have to wait terribly long
here are enrollments for 2023/2024 2024/2025.
Waconia 1289 (AA unless petition down)
NF 1102 (A)
SR 1197 (A)
Kennedy 1182 (A)
NP 1255 (AA)
2R 1202 (AA)
Alex 1168 (A)
from here: https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... 4-2025.pdfClassAGuy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:47 pmWhere did you find the new numbers? Great information Thanksbardown27 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:42 pmhttps://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... 4-2025.pdfClassAGuy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:36 pm
WOW this will have a big impact then
Based on 2021-22 & 22-23 Emrollments all the below will be bumped up to AA
Waconia 1288 Most likely to 2AA
Northfield 1281 Most likely to 1AA
Sauk Rapids 1280 Most likely to 8AA
Bloomington Kennedy 1252 most likely to 2AA or maybe this bumps them and Jefferson back into 3AA?
New Prague 1250 most likely to 2AA
Two Rivers 1209 most likely to 4AA
Alexandria 1206 most likely to 8AA
Would bump St Micheal & Buffalo out of 8AA maybe with Alex and Sauk Rapids coming in...
Fun to speculate if those enrollments are true and the above cutoff looks much lower now wow big changes ahead the New Sections are approved on April 6th so we wont have to wait terribly long
here are enrollments for 2023/2024 2024/2025.
Waconia 1289 (AA unless petition down)
NF 1102 (A)
SR 1197 (A)
Kennedy 1182 (A)
NP 1255 (AA)
2R 1202 (AA)
Alex 1168 (A)
Holy Smokes NFLD went from 1281 to 1102They lost a ton of kids or maybe new free and reduced numbers.
So looks like the three getting bumped up are Waconia, New Prague and Two Rivers....
Thank you and agree lots of moving parts. Waconia & New Prague seem AA for sure growing communities and now well above the number I could see Two Rivers do to their demographics and only being a little over get granted approval to stay downbardown27 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:48 pmfrom here: https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... 4-2025.pdfClassAGuy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:47 pmWhere did you find the new numbers? Great information Thanksbardown27 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:42 pm
https://www.mshsl.org/sites/default/fil ... 4-2025.pdf
here are enrollments for 2023/2024 2024/2025.
Waconia 1289 (AA unless petition down)
NF 1102 (A)
SR 1197 (A)
Kennedy 1182 (A)
NP 1255 (AA)
2R 1202 (AA)
Alex 1168 (A)
Holy Smokes NFLD went from 1281 to 1102They lost a ton of kids or maybe new free and reduced numbers.
So looks like the three getting bumped up are Waconia, New Prague and Two Rivers....
and they may get moved down/petition down with all the schools who opt up that are well below the cut off (STA, GR, BSM, CDH, TG, HM, AHA, Holy Family, Blake, Roseau)
I'm sure it's been stated but is there official release dateClassAGuy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:57 am From Youth Hockey Hub Twitter
BHS
YHH hearing the following information on section realignment for next year.
New Prague and Northfield to 1AA
Waconia to 2AA
Two Rivers to 3AA
Cambridge to 7AA
Teams petitioned to go from AA to A but denied:
Armstrong/Cooper, B-ville/AV, Osseo, St. Cloud
Things are going to be interesting some movement Class A Sections are gonna need to be fixed 4A right now only has 6 teams curious to see some more major movement than normal in a 2 year cycle
Looking at the Timeline PDF from the MSHSL it appears the release will be on Thursday April 6thThe51 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:33 amI'm sure it's been stated but is there official release dateClassAGuy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 6:57 am From Youth Hockey Hub Twitter
BHS
YHH hearing the following information on section realignment for next year.
New Prague and Northfield to 1AA
Waconia to 2AA
Two Rivers to 3AA
Cambridge to 7AA
Teams petitioned to go from AA to A but denied:
Armstrong/Cooper, B-ville/AV, Osseo, St. Cloud
Things are going to be interesting some movement Class A Sections are gonna need to be fixed 4A right now only has 6 teams curious to see some more major movement than normal in a 2 year cycle
This isn't a groundbreaking statement, but the MSHSL really needs a better way to split teams up than school enrollmentxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:23 pm Based on about as good a source as it's possible to have it's essentially certain that Two Rivers is moving to the highest level in everything except football and basketball (and I'm not sure how basketball is being excepted from that). The obvious move, really, when you look at their past hockey season and Mahtomedi's, is that Mahtomedi should be the one in class A . . . .
They tried something in the 90's - it did not work.The51 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:46 pmThis isn't a groundbreaking statement, but the MSHSL really needs a better way to split teams up than school enrollmentxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:23 pm Based on about as good a source as it's possible to have it's essentially certain that Two Rivers is moving to the highest level in everything except football and basketball (and I'm not sure how basketball is being excepted from that). The obvious move, really, when you look at their past hockey season and Mahtomedi's, is that Mahtomedi should be the one in class A . . . .
Wasn't that their first attempt at splitting up into different levels? I have to imagine with almost 30 years of information and learning now they could make a better attempt today than that oneelliott70 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:50 pmThey tried something in the 90's - it did not work.The51 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:46 pmThis isn't a groundbreaking statement, but the MSHSL really needs a better way to split teams up than school enrollmentxy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:23 pm Based on about as good a source as it's possible to have it's essentially certain that Two Rivers is moving to the highest level in everything except football and basketball (and I'm not sure how basketball is being excepted from that). The obvious move, really, when you look at their past hockey season and Mahtomedi's, is that Mahtomedi should be the one in class A . . . .
Excellent point made xy! Tier I and Tier II did fail but the system now does also. Look at Northfield who is now forced to decided to drop their co-opt with Randolph and 3 players lose a place to play hockey or go AA due to the enrollments stuff.xy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:05 pm Tier I and Tier II didn't work for hockey when two classes started, and no one should think this is simple. But there simply has to be a way to factor in a school's realistic competitive expectations, given their demographics, history, $, etc., and not go simply by size. The unfortunate fact is that Two Rivers has essentially no realistic chance to compete in any meaningful way in the highest class in almost all sports, a situation I don't think is fair to the kids there. A system that relegates them to that status, but lets Mahtomedi and St Thomas Academy stay a class below them for most sports, is profoundly broken.