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state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:10 pm
by elliott70
Without looking-
Which six teams have won five or more state championships?

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:11 pm
by bardown27
elliott70 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:10 pm Without looking-
Which six teams have won five or more state championships?
Jefferson, Roseau, Eveleth, Edina, I Falls, STA

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:41 pm
by hadenuf
bardown27 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:11 pm
elliott70 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:10 pm Without looking-
Which six teams have won five or more state championships?
Jefferson, Roseau, Eveleth, Edina, I Falls, STA
Do you really think STA counts?

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:42 pm
by bardown27
hadenuf wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:41 pm
bardown27 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:11 pm
elliott70 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:10 pm Without looking-
Which six teams have won five or more state championships?
Jefferson, Roseau, Eveleth, Edina, I Falls, STA
Do you really think STA counts?
Thats the six so yeah if he's asking for six, they count

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:47 pm
by 6AAGuy
I read this as a AA discussion too, i guess. Don't think STA makes it in that respect. Playing with the big boys now....

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:01 pm
by kniven
elliott70 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:10 pm Without looking-
Which six teams have won five or more state championships?
My Cloquet has zero. I highly doubt we will, ever. That’s ok. I’m a huge fan of the history, kids, and competing spirit of this franchise regardless of state championships/appearances.

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:19 pm
by Sparlimb
kniven wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:01 pm
elliott70 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:10 pm Without looking-
Which six teams have won five or more state championships?
My Cloquet has zero. I highly doubt we will, ever. That’s ok. I’m a huge fan of the history, kids, and competing spirit of this franchise regardless of state championships/appearances.
Had Corey Millen not gotten hurt. That was your year...

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:20 pm
by Sparlimb
And if you are counting STA and their A championships, then Hill can count their private school titles.

But I doubt that's the real question that was asked...

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:25 pm
by bardown27
Well I'm going to tell you that the only AA teams with 5+ are Jefferson, Roseau, Eveleth, Edina, and I Falls. The only other team to win 5+ (not counting Catholic school state championships) is STA

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:35 pm
by elliott70
Sparlimb wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:20 pm And if you are counting STA and their A championships, then Hill can count their private school titles.

But I doubt that's the real question that was asked...
yes how many

3.5??

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:36 pm
by elliott70
bardown27 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:25 pm Well I'm going to tell you that the only AA teams with 5+ are Jefferson, Roseau, Eveleth, Edina, and I Falls. The only other team to win 5+ (not counting Catholic school state championships) is STA
That's what I thought but I was TOLD they all count.
Even Tier 2

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:52 pm
by Sparlimb
elliott70 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:35 pm
Sparlimb wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:20 pm And if you are counting STA and their A championships, then Hill can count their private school titles.

But I doubt that's the real question that was asked...
yes how many

3.5??
Hill has 3 private school championships and 3 public. So 6 altogether. I'd assume that would put Cretin in the 5's too, although they only have one public, so maybe not.

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:06 pm
by O-townClown
elliott70 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:10 pmWithout looking-
Which six teams have won five or more state championships?
I do remember from about 10 years ago that people from Roseau don't recognize Edina East's as an Edina state championship.

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:42 pm
by Sparlimb
O-townClown wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:06 pm
elliott70 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:10 pmWithout looking-
Which six teams have won five or more state championships?
I do remember from about 10 years ago that people from Roseau don't recognize Edina East's as an Edina state championship.
I don't either. You can count them when you combine schools except when you were once two schools. It does seem unfair to have two chances at a title and count those the same as the rest of the schools that had one.

Just like I've seen one or two places where WBL tries to count the Mariner 2nd place finish as a first round win...

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:59 pm
by ifallsin64
Sparlimb wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:19 pm
kniven wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:01 pm
elliott70 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:10 pm Without looking-
Which six teams have won five or more state championships?
My Cloquet has zero. I highly doubt we will, ever. That’s ok. I’m a huge fan of the history, kids, and competing spirit of this franchise regardless of state championships/appearances.
Had Corey Millen not gotten hurt. That was your year...
Or if Langenbrunner came back his senior year, that could have been the season.

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:02 pm
by elliott70
Or if Langeenbruners had not moved out of into falls way back when

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:40 pm
by thestickler07
If we include prep/Catholic/independent school championships I'm pretty sure STAA would have 7.

In terms of counting 'top class' titles I would like to see the Academy win at least 2 AA ships before lopping that bigger and older number in with the new banners.

Selfishly wish MSHSL would go to a one-class 'Sweet Sixteen' to produce a single state champion but I get why it would never happen.

Re: state championships

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:38 pm
by Sparlimb
thestickler07 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:40 pm If we include prep/Catholic/independent school championships I'm pretty sure STAA would have 7.

In terms of counting 'top class' titles I would like to see the Academy win at least 2 AA ships before lopping that bigger and older number in with the new banners.

Selfishly wish MSHSL would go to a one-class 'Sweet Sixteen' to produce a single state champion but I get why it would never happen.
We're all happy with the final true one class champion. Well most of us. I know Lee's still sore... :D :lol: 8)

Re: state championships

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:04 am
by Slap Shot
Sorry for the formatting:

Team Total Visits 1st 1st% 3rd Cons Trophy% W L Win%
Edina 33 10 30.3% 3 7 60.6% 61 33 64.9%
Roseau 34 7 20.6% 3 6 47.1% 55 40 57.9%
International Falls 16 6 37.5% 4 0 62.5% 31 14 68.9%
Bloom Jefferson 16 5 31.3% 3 1 56.3% 29 18 61.7%
Eveleth 13 5 38.5% 4 0 69.2% 28 10 73.7%
Grand Rapids 16 4 25.0% 3 2 56.3% 34 14 70.8%
St Paul Johnson 22 4 18.2% 3 2 40.9% 35 28 55.6%
Duluth East 24 3 12.5% 6 4 54.2% 42 26 61.8%
Edina East 5 3 60.0% 0 0 60.0% 12 3 80.0%
Hill-Murray 29 3 10.3% 3 2 27.6% 40 39 50.6%
Burnsville 9 2 22.2% 1 0 33.3% 14 11 56.0%
Eden Prairie 11 2 18.2% 1 0 27.3% 16 15 51.6%
Greenway 8 2 25.0% 2 2 75.0% 15 8 65.2%
Hibbing 9 2 22.2% 4 2 88.9% 19 8 70.4%
Holy Angels 5 2 40.0% 1 1 80.0% 11 4 73.3%
Thief River Falls 9 2 22.2% 1 3 66.7% 16 9 64.0%
Anoka 6 1 16.7% 1 1 50.0% 10 7 58.8%
Apple Valley 5 1 20.0% 0 1 40.0% 7 7 50.0%
Benilde-St. Margaret's 2 1 50.0% 1 0 100.0% 5 1 83.3%
Blaine 12 1 8.3% 4 1 50.0% 15 17 46.9%
Bloom Kennedy 7 1 14.3% 0 1 28.6% 9 10 47.4%
Centennial 4 1 25.0% 0 0 25.0% 4 6 40.0%
Cretin-Derham Hall 3 1 33.3% 0 0 33.3% 4 4 50.0%
Elk River 6 1 16.7% 1 1 50.0% 8 8 50.0%
Lakeville North 7 1 14.3% 0 1 28.6% 7 10 41.2%
Minnetonka 6 1 16.7% 1 1 50.0% 10 7 58.8%
Mpls Southwest 15 1 6.7% 2 1 26.7% 19 23 45.2%
Rochester John Marshall 6 1 16.7% 0 0 16.7% 8 8 50.0%
Wayzata 5 1 20.0% 0 0 20.0% 6 8 42.9%

Team Total Visits 1st 1st % 3rd Cons Trophy % W L Win%
Moorhead 16 0 0.0% 2 1 18.8% 25 21 54.3%
South St Paul 27 0 0.0% 6 2 29.6% 33 44 42.9%
White Bear Lake 19 0 0.0% 0 5 26.3% 16 33 32.7%

Re: state championships

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:45 am
by green4
Sparlimb wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:42 pm
O-townClown wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:06 pm
elliott70 wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:10 pmWithout looking-
Which six teams have won five or more state championships?
I do remember from about 10 years ago that people from Roseau don't recognize Edina East's as an Edina state championship.
I don't either. You can count them when you combine schools except when you were once two schools. It does seem unfair to have two chances at a title and count those the same as the rest of the schools that had one.

Just like I've seen one or two places where WBL tries to count the Mariner 2nd place finish as a first round win...
Im on the other side, I count Edina East in with the Edina totals because East was the original Edina school and because they still won three titles with half the kids. I am not sure I agree with the argument that it is unfair that they have two chances when to me it seems like they diluted their talent for a decade. Imagine how many championships they would have won if they had stuck together. It obviously wasn't an option if you are aware of how the number of kids had outgrown the high school space, but if they stuck together there is a chance they would have won another title in the 70's.
If West ever won a state title I think I would have a different opinion because they were the pop up school.

Re: state championships

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:47 am
by Sparlimb
green4 wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:45 am
Sparlimb wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:42 pm
O-townClown wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:06 pm

I do remember from about 10 years ago that people from Roseau don't recognize Edina East's as an Edina state championship.
I don't either. You can count them when you combine schools except when you were once two schools. It does seem unfair to have two chances at a title and count those the same as the rest of the schools that had one.

Just like I've seen one or two places where WBL tries to count the Mariner 2nd place finish as a first round win...
Im on the other side, I count Edina East in with the Edina totals because East was the original Edina school and because they still won three titles with half the kids. I am not sure I agree with the argument that it is unfair that they have two chances when to me it seems like they diluted their talent for a decade. Imagine how many championships they would have won if they had stuck together. It obviously wasn't an option if you are aware of how the number of kids had outgrown the high school space, but if they stuck together there is a chance they would have won another title in the 70's.
If West ever won a state title I think I would have a different opinion because they were the pop up school.
I thought West did win a title. And my reasoning was that you couldn't count both. So if East became just Edina, then I'm fine with counting them. But if West won a title, you don't get to add that to the total. Not that anyone cares what I think...

Re: state championships

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:40 pm
by 7TIMECHAMPS
To me the Edina East titles count. There is no way class A or private school does though.

Re: state championships

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:21 pm
by green4
Sparlimb wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:47 am
green4 wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:45 am
Sparlimb wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:42 pm

I don't either. You can count them when you combine schools except when you were once two schools. It does seem unfair to have two chances at a title and count those the same as the rest of the schools that had one.

Just like I've seen one or two places where WBL tries to count the Mariner 2nd place finish as a first round win...
Im on the other side, I count Edina East in with the Edina totals because East was the original Edina school and because they still won three titles with half the kids. I am not sure I agree with the argument that it is unfair that they have two chances when to me it seems like they diluted their talent for a decade. Imagine how many championships they would have won if they had stuck together. It obviously wasn't an option if you are aware of how the number of kids had outgrown the high school space, but if they stuck together there is a chance they would have won another title in the 70's.
If West ever won a state title I think I would have a different opinion because they were the pop up school.
I thought West did win a title. And my reasoning was that you couldn't count both. So if East became just Edina, then I'm fine with counting them. But if West won a title, you don't get to add that to the total. Not that anyone cares what I think...

No, West never won a title. They only went to the Tournament one time and that was in 1981 where they lost in the first round.

Re: state championships

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:04 pm
by BodyShots
green4 wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:45 am
Sparlimb wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:42 pm
O-townClown wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:06 pm

I do remember from about 10 years ago that people from Roseau don't recognize Edina East's as an Edina state championship.
I don't either. You can count them when you combine schools except when you were once two schools. It does seem unfair to have two chances at a title and count those the same as the rest of the schools that had one.

Just like I've seen one or two places where WBL tries to count the Mariner 2nd place finish as a first round win...
Im on the other side, I count Edina East in with the Edina totals because East was the original Edina school and because they still won three titles with half the kids. I am not sure I agree with the argument that it is unfair that they have two chances when to me it seems like they diluted their talent for a decade. Imagine how many championships they would have won if they had stuck together. It obviously wasn't an option if you are aware of how the number of kids had outgrown the high school space, but if they stuck together there is a chance they would have won another title in the 70's.
If West ever won a state title I think I would have a different opinion because they were the pop up school.
Excuse me, but Roseville youth hockey used to be pretty dominate in the 60's, 70's and 80's but by the time they got to High School, they split up between Ramsey, Kellogg, and HM. Maybe they would have won a lot of state titles if they stuck together and had a school big enough for all of them. [-X :roll:

Re: state championships

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 5:24 pm
by gopherpuck516
7TIMECHAMPS wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:40 pm To me the Edina East titles count. There is no way class A or private school does though.
If Edina East’s titles count towards Edina’s total, then I’m lumping the Bloomington schools together. +1 added to the total for Jefferson/Kennedy :wink: