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Girls HS Goalie SV% normalized for RSOOP
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:05 am
by LSQRANK
2016-17 Girls HS Goalie data was normalized based on the relative strength of opposing (RSOOP) team. The raw SV% statistic has been normalized (re-scaled) and the new ranking list is presented and grouped by school year. Only those goalies that played at least 300 minutes were grouped by school year. Those who played less than 300 minutes are lumped together on the last page of the listing. enjoy ....
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LSQRank (c) Dr. Matt Stevens 26-FEB-2017
Normalized for Relative Strength of Opponent (RSOOP)
Goalie Save% Statistic
MN/WI/ND Girls HS Hockey
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Senior (12th grade) Goalies playing at least 300 mins per season
Normalized RAW RAW RAW Playing
SAVE % Rank GOALIE YR TEAM SV SOG SV% Time
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0.858 1 A_GOLDSTEIN 12 Edina 333 358 0.930 1224:22
0.808 5 E_KUBICEK 12 Minnetonka 527 562 0.938 1140: 0
0.794 8 C_FRANCIS 12 MapleGrove 293 312 0.939 776:29
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0.765 19 K_PELLICCI 12 Eastview 628 684 0.918 1365:53
0.754 23 E_PETERSON 12 Chaska/Chanhassen 301 333 0.904 636:21
0.753 24 B_BLESI 12 MapleGrove 254 269 0.944 657:43
0.738 28 K_LARSON 12 Anoka 577 653 0.884 1053:41
0.735 29 L_LEWISON 12 PriorLake 616 688 0.895 1111:54
0.731 30 K_PECK 12 Centennial 248 290 0.855 765:36
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0.703 B_BOREEN 12 ParkofCottageGrove 709 786 0.902 1291: 6
0.697 M_CARLSON 12 Orono 705 762 0.925 1139:51
0.687 G_SUHR 12 DodgeCounty 546 595 0.918 1304:21
0.686 T_DEFORREST 12 AppleValley 537 594 0.904 1312:46
0.681 A_CARLANDER 12 Hopkins/Park 541 601 0.900 1186: 5
0.678 P_HEMPHILL 12 GrandRapids/Greenway 500 564 0.887 1312:36
0.658 S_CULSHAW 12 NewPrague 657 712 0.923 1282:45
0.642 K_MEDVED 12 Totino-Grace 614 690 0.890 968: 8
0.628 M_CIN 12 Blaine 93 104 0.894 552:32
0.619 E_BRUNELLE 12 Warroad 548 587 0.934 1219:34
0.613 E_GENEREAU 12 Cloquet-Esko-Carlton 617 676 0.913 1260:38
0.610 H_RUPP 12 Irondale 540 619 0.872 919:18
0.603 A_MONSRUD 12 Buffalo 178 218 0.817 425:52
0.589 S_FINLEY 12 Alexandria 509 554 0.919 1170:31
0.571 E_POLUSNY 12 MoundWestonka 749 802 0.934 1304:26
0.570 M_THOMAS 12 Warroad 124 145 0.855 323: 0
0.554 L_TREMBLAY 12 HaywardCo-op 584 621 0.940 1148: 1
0.548 M_NELSON 12 ThiefRiverFalls 300 342 0.877 1020: 0
0.547 M_BENSON 12 Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato 913 1024 0.892 1197: 0
0.546 C_BELKHOLM 12 Cambridge-Isanti 464 514 0.903 1139:10
0.486 M_HIRSCH 12 Eveleth-Gilbert 631 715 0.883 873:59
0.473 S_DANNHOFF 12 Onalaska 530 575 0.922 884:46
0.435 K_MILLER 12 RochesterCentury 811 925 0.877 1281: 8
0.405 J_SMITH 12 ParkRapids 854 950 0.899 1088:39
0.381 S_WHEELER 12 DetroitLakes 172 202 0.851 338:49
0.354 S_HILL 12 Eveleth-Gilbert 243 277 0.877 459: 0
0.263 S_SANDERSFELD 12 Fairmont 558 609 0.916 911:41
0.237 S_PETERSEN 12 NorthernEdge 614 689 0.891 866:40
0.175 Jadin_Flexhaug 12 Minot 105 115 0.913 306: 0
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:06 am
by LSQRANK
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LSQRank (c) Dr. Matt Stevens 26-FEB-2017
Normalized for Relative Strength of Opponent (RSOOP)
Goalie Save% Statistic
MN/WI/ND Girls HS Hockey
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Junior (11th grade) Goalies playing at least 300 mins per season
Normalized RAW RAW RAW Playing
SAVE % Rank GOALIE YR TEAM SV SOG SV% Time
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0.841 2 A_DOBCHUK 11 EdenPrairie 637 681 0.935 1561: 8
0.833 3 J_OBRIEN 11 Blaine 274 295 0.929 949:52
0.820 4 A_MANLOVE 11 Minnetonka 147 163 0.902 314:23
0.796 7 O_KNOX 11 Stillwater 443 480 0.923 848:27
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0.778 12 G_BOSWELL 11 Wayzata 338 380 0.889 708:40
0.777 13 L_BAKER 11 LakevilleSouth 572 627 0.912 1365:59
0.774 14 A_KRUESEL 11 Blake 251 267 0.940 774:49
0.774 15 M_SMITH 11 Edina 79 81 0.975 306: 0
0.771 16 C_NOESS 11 Shakopee 533 577 0.924 1164:32
0.755 22 A_BOLLIG 11 Farmington 466 503 0.926 1092:52
0.744 27 C_HEITING 11 EastRidge 516 556 0.928 1151:59
0.726 32 S_GARVIS 11 Wayzata 276 311 0.887 592:21
0.722 35 P_GREELEY 11 Benilde-St.Margaret's 403 463 0.870 774:12
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0.698 K_SAMPSON 11 Chaska/Chanhassen 141 156 0.904 420:39
0.692 S_MILLER 11 SpringLakePark/CoonRapids 712 763 0.933 1332:57
0.682 E_AUGE 11 Farmington 200 218 0.917 452:35
0.672 K_BUZAY 11 Stillwater 195 221 0.882 454:24
0.665 M_GILCHRIST 11 Roseville 153 175 0.874 333: 0
0.656 E_BONNEY 11 BloomingtonJefferson 184 206 0.893 306: 0
0.653 Z_STEGORA 11 Irondale 181 213 0.850 423: 0
0.640 E_STEHLER 11 Totino-Grace 212 234 0.906 369:55
0.638 J_TOMASZEWSKI 11 RiverLakes 639 673 0.949 932:37
0.615 E_BARRICK 11 Hutchinson 458 488 0.939 899:44
0.606 O_SCHULTZ 11 North/Tartan 400 438 0.913 842: 0
0.605 E_MUSIELEWICZ 11 St.Cloud 712 761 0.936 1397:30
0.604 M_WHALEN 11 EastGrandForks 578 609 0.949 1044: 0
0.579 N_BAKER 11 North/Tartan 214 241 0.888 491:18
0.578 K_MCKENZIE 11 SouthStPaul 566 621 0.911 1348:42
0.575 M_TIDONA 11 Northfield(MN) 452 496 0.911 1144:41
0.567 K_SCHRAMEL 11 Princeton 711 770 0.923 1321: 0
0.546 J_FICCADENTI 11 Mahtomedi 544 605 0.899 1411:31
0.538 S_HYKE 11 RochesterJM/Lourdes 404 458 0.882 929:50
0.533 M_GAMST 11 MooseLake-WillowRiver 523 567 0.922 1341: 5
0.529 K_SCHMIDT 11 Delano/Rockford 293 309 0.948 776:19
0.504 C_WESTBERG 11 CentralWisconsin 296 324 0.914 1103:33
0.501 C_SCHULTZ 11 Hudson 451 498 0.906 1224: 0
0.499 L_SCHULZ 11 Minneapolis 607 697 0.871 1309: 0
0.487 C_MAGLER 11 WesternWis 453 517 0.876 780:43
0.459 E_COGGIO 11 St.CroixValley 576 650 0.886 1155: 0
0.444 B_JOBE 11 Crookston 803 971 0.827 1264: 5
0.435 Kaylee_Caspers 11 FargoNorth/South 275 297 0.926 697: 0
0.429 L_EBELING 11 Owatonna 440 486 0.905 1199:31
0.415 C_SALMONSEN 11 Faribault 609 690 0.883 1193:23
0.414 A_HOLZBACH 11 BayArea 460 481 0.956 1214:22
0.413 N_BIGGS 11 Simley 338 397 0.851 971:35
0.405 K_RIES 11 NewUlm 468 493 0.949 1137: 0
0.405 S_BUTTERFASS 11 RochesterMayo 279 334 0.835 577:22
0.393 T_NELSON 11 St.PaulBlades 613 697 0.879 1032:20
0.392 E_LENARZ 11 Hutchinson 116 129 0.899 340: 0
0.385 L_SCHOMMER 11 MinnehahaUnited 566 642 0.882 1336:21
0.379 Alex_Nelson 11 Minot 362 407 0.889 765: 0
0.346 T_THORNTON 11 SunPrairieCo-op 400 434 0.922 1161:57
0.340 Sydney_Peterson 11 FargoDavies 466 517 0.901 1173: 0
0.319 J_KEELY 11 St.Peter 1106 1190 0.929 1317: 0
0.299 E_OCONNOR 11 Fairmont 186 218 0.853 315: 0
0.286 E_NETTESHEIM 11 Arrowhead 550 642 0.857 939:40
0.270 D_DAHMS 11 Waseca 550 608 0.905 1018:43
0.259 E_STEEN 11 Windom 930 999 0.931 1273:40
0.255 E_BARTELS 11 Luverne 822 876 0.938 1296:28
0.252 Teresa_Mattson 11 GrandForks 213 240 0.887 433:30
0.204 A_HOFFMAN 11 Morris/Benson 414 502 0.825 824: 0
0.203 B_KRUSE 11 Worthington 912 1046 0.872 1003:17
0.188 C_BEKKUM 11 Onalaska 142 156 0.910 355:44
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:07 am
by LSQRANK
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LSQRank (c) Dr. Matt Stevens 26-FEB-2017
Normalized for Relative Strength of Opponent (RSOOP)
Goalie Save% Statistic
MN/WI/ND Girls HS Hockey
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Sophmore (10th grade) Goalies playing at least 300 mins per season
Normalized RAW RAW RAW Playing
SAVE % Rank GOALIE YR TEAM SV SOG SV% Time
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0.797 6 O_BIZAL 10 Blake 244 257 0.949 663: 0
0.791 9 M_MEYERS 10 Cretin-DerhamHall 481 523 0.920 1118:21
0.783 10 A_FRANTZICK 10 Breck 617 661 0.933 1394: 9
0.780 11 A_BAILEY 10 Hill-Murray 542 583 0.930 1324:54
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0.762 20 C_FRANK 10 WhiteBearLake 749 791 0.947 1408: 3
0.759 21 M_JUNG 10 ElkRiver/Zimmerman 568 613 0.927 1436:45
0.753 25 M_LEHTO 10 Roseville 568 629 0.903 1060: 0
0.750 26 A_LARSON 10 Eagan 290 323 0.898 653: 3
0.730 31 K_SCHNEIDER 10 LakevilleNorth 567 604 0.939 1235:56
0.725 33 C_STUMO 10 Andover(MN) 530 591 0.897 1243: 3
0.706 37 T_JOHNSON 10 MoundsView 499 550 0.907 1349: 2
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0.694 M_MCCLAIN 10 BloomingtonJefferson 668 751 0.889 1026: 7
0.686 M_NICKELL 10 Eagan 293 319 0.918 757:15
0.681 R_PESTER 10 Burnsville 541 594 0.911 1181:58
0.678 B_SHUCK 10 ChamplinPark 543 602 0.902 1030:15
0.654 N_HARNETT 10 RobbinsdaleArmstrong/Cooper 214 232 0.922 303: 0
0.642 R_GRAY 10 Proctor/Hermantown 330 371 0.889 922: 2
0.640 L_HANSON 10 Chaska/Chanhassen 125 146 0.856 328:16
0.634 E_WESTBY 10 HolyFamily/Waconia 414 470 0.881 899:27
0.615 A_EDSTROM 10 Hibbing/Chisholm 568 626 0.907 1273:32
0.611 O_KING 10 Brainerd/LittleFalls 508 554 0.917 1337:45
0.610 R_MILLER 10 St.Francis 727 784 0.927 1342:11
0.603 A_BEIX 10 Woodbury 342 393 0.870 661:15
0.603 K_SOHLER 10 Buffalo 411 473 0.869 906:39
0.601 P_SCHMIDT 10 Moorhead 443 496 0.893 1094: 9
0.593 M_DEMARAIS 10 Sartell/SaukRapids 272 290 0.938 633:55
0.587 K_GIESE 10 St.PaulUnited 127 153 0.830 444:14
0.584 J_NEUBERT 10 HolyFamily/Waconia 173 199 0.869 408: 0
0.580 K_SYCK 10 Duluth 436 516 0.845 888:43
0.567 L_LOOD 10 HolyAngels 554 637 0.870 1247:30
0.562 M_LERFALD 10 ChisagoLakes 258 297 0.869 539:38
0.555 S_ALMQUIST 10 NorthMetro 714 842 0.848 1197:35
0.545 B_DELAP 10 Bemidji 593 716 0.828 1054: 0
0.535 M_ECKLUND 10 FergusFalls 188 222 0.847 393:15
0.533 B_KIMEL 10 Rosemount 295 331 0.891 560:18
0.510 J_MCKEEVER 10 FergusFalls 450 497 0.905 946:31
0.508 T_MCGRATH 10 RedWing 616 659 0.935 1437:21
0.499 N_WANDER 10 RiverLakes 217 241 0.900 397:43
0.486 Quinn_Kuntz 10 GrandForks 501 547 0.916 739:30
0.465 K_MCDOUGALL 10 DetroitLakes 495 594 0.833 879:36
0.454 G_WEGNER 10 InternationalFalls 372 423 0.879 983:18
0.427 Skylar_Ackerman 10 Bismarck 166 186 0.892 535:30
0.421 A_SIERS 10 SuperiorSpartans 614 715 0.859 1123:12
0.415 Brooklyn_Myrvik 10 WestFargo 461 498 0.926 1020: 0
0.363 A_SCHREIBER 10 MankatoEast 338 389 0.869 853:40
0.360 H_STOCKMAN 10 MankatoEast 229 265 0.864 640:20
0.359 M_OCH 10 PrairieCentre 362 419 0.864 909:53
0.345 F_SAYLES 10 Austin 597 697 0.857 1214:35
0.341 Erin_Anderson 10 Jamestown 825 930 0.887 1071: 0
0.325 R_BIELENBERG 10 Northfield(MN) 118 129 0.915 433: 0
0.294 C_MARKWARDT 10 Winona 672 850 0.791 1282:47
0.270 P_SNEDDEN 10 NorthlandPines 298 372 0.801 1123:13
0.217 Lauren_Harr 10 FargoNorth/South 120 138 0.870 476: 0
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:08 am
by LSQRANK
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LSQRank (c) Dr. Matt Stevens 26-FEB-2017
Normalized for Relative Strength of Opponent (RSOOP)
Goalie Save% Statistic
MN/WI/ND Girls HS Hockey
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Freshman(8th or 9th grade) Goalies playing at least 300 mins per season
Normalized RAW RAW RAW Playing
SAVE % Rank GOALIE YR TEAM SV SOG SV% Time
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0.767 17 J_BOTHUN 9 ForestLake 658 707 0.931 1434:48
0.766 18 K_FLAIG 9 Roseau 552 606 0.911 1273: 5
0.724 34 J_ONCAY 8 St.PaulUnited 309 337 0.917 919:34
0.715 36 S_SPENCER 9 Duluth 253 301 0.841 442: 0
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0.655 E_GILLEN 9 Woodbury 311 366 0.850 547:59
0.644 A_LAROSE 9 NorthWrightCounty 538 584 0.921 1092:37
0.606 C_MUDRAK 9 DuluthMarshall 765 849 0.901 1383: 2
0.603 C_STOCKINGER 9 Sartell/SaukRapids 360 386 0.933 780:50
0.601 S_LEWIS 9 Proctor/Hermantown 110 123 0.894 367:37
0.593 H_HARTLAGE 9 Rogers 428 473 0.905 1340:19
0.579 A_KUNSHIER 9 Hastings 444 515 0.862 1050:14
0.573 C_GREENE 8 Benilde-St.Margaret's 162 182 0.890 311:51
0.558 K_LAUNDERVILLE 9 RobbinsdaleArmstrong/Cooper 533 649 0.821 919:50
0.511 G_GLASRUD 9 Delano/Rockford 206 224 0.920 622:37
0.505 A_KITTLESON 9 ChisagoLakes 360 412 0.874 802:43
0.496 M_DWYER 9 NorthShore 603 709 0.850 1037:24
0.485 B_CARLSON 9 Willmar 693 826 0.839 1388:30
0.452 E_KELLEY 9 Rosemount 382 423 0.903 735:52
0.444 P_ERICKSON 9 HenrySibley 649 756 0.858 1387:40
0.371 S_HUGHES 8 RochesterMayo 310 351 0.883 730: 1
0.361 K_SANDELOVICH 9 FortFrances 119 131 0.908 315:36
0.346 C_TULENCHIK 9 NorthernLakes 589 672 0.876 1384:20
0.334 Lauren_Watkins 9 Bismarck 149 160 0.931 510: 0
0.303 M_SCHNEIDER 8 AlbertLea 769 893 0.861 1290:56
0.299 C_ERICKSON 9 WesternWis 141 155 0.910 415:50
0.290 S_OLSEN 8 MankatoWest 759 884 0.859 1405:29
0.275 E_KLENKEN 8 Marshall 304 340 0.894 894:14
0.238 L_MORTENSON 9 PrairieCentre 121 139 0.871 397:23
0.213 A_MOAT 9 Marshall 148 162 0.914 544:33
0.184 A_HEIMER 9 RochesterJM/Lourdes 63 68 0.926 317: 00
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:09 am
by LSQRANK
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LSQRank (c) Dr. Matt Stevens
Normalized for Relative Strength of Opponent (RSOOP)
Goalie Save% Statistic
MN/WI/ND Girls HS Hockey
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Other Goalies playing less than 300 mins per season
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SAVE % GOALIE YR TEAM SV SOG SV% Time
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0.792 M_STOTERAU 10 Centennial 86 94 0.915 205:49
0.765 A_GLEASON 12 Hopkins/Park 50 59 0.847 140:55
0.739 K_MCCONNELL 11 InternationalFalls 44 54 0.815 51: 0
0.727 A_JULIAN 9 Eastview 50 53 0.943 175:38
0.717 A_COBB 10 AppleValley 5 6 0.833 23:23
0.711 B_HAGEN 12 PriorLake 148 162 0.914 234:52
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0.665 R_AMELING 12 Minnetonka 9 11 0.818 17: 0
0.651 M_WIDEN 8 Burnsville 35 39 0.897 102: 0
0.641 C_HALVORSON 7 Crookston 29 39 0.744 34: 0
0.635 B_PIERSON 10 Cambridge-Isanti 60 71 0.845 135:50
0.613 H_STEELE 8 Hastings 98 121 0.810 232: 0
0.610 R_BEEMAN 9 Benilde-St.Margaret's 105 119 0.882 272: 0
0.603 N_BURGOYNE 12 ChamplinPark 71 81 0.877 168: 2
0.600 A_JOHNSON 10 Anoka 102 117 0.872 272: 0
0.592 E_CRAWFORD 12 Cretin-DerhamHall 121 127 0.953 280:30
0.589 C_BEHR 12 EastRidge 33 35 0.943 105:27
0.588 M_GAY 12 Alexandria 107 124 0.863 257:35
0.580 E_KOLO 10 Moorhead 62 73 0.849 256:21
0.575 G_ROESKE 9 Stillwater 28 35 0.800 51: 0
0.569 N_KIMBLE 8 Bemidji 154 178 0.865 280: 0
0.567 A_LACKMANN 9 LakevilleNorth 11 12 0.917 40: 4
0.563 S_BECK 11 FortFrances 35 39 0.897 52: 3
0.562 T_CONNELLY 11 NorthWrightCounty 73 84 0.869 208: 1
0.561 K_ENGEN 12 Shakopee 121 134 0.903 255:45
0.549 A_GOEHNER 9 ForestLake 22 24 0.917 102: 0
0.545 B_OLSON 10 SuperiorSpartans 41 51 0.804 102:23
0.542 S_SELBREDE 10 MoundsView 15 17 0.882 51: 0
0.540 E_SCHULTZ 11 Orono 98 111 0.883 204: 0
0.536 M_ZABINSKI 11 HolyAngels 13 17 0.765 17: 0
0.533 B_EMERSON 9 St.PaulUnited 40 47 0.851 153: 0
0.531 J_VEARY 9 ParkofCottageGrove 19 19 1.000 51: 0
0.531 T_HICKERSON 9 ForestLake 2 2 1.000 17: 0
0.530 G_HIETALA 10 NorthShore 58 76 0.763 102: 0
0.528 A_BOUGIE 10 SouthStPaul 13 16 0.813 65: 0
0.523 K_ALLEN 9 AppleValley 17 19 0.895 55:50
0.523 A_PELKEY 9 Andover(MN) 42 47 0.894 102: 0
0.522 R_BJERKLIE 9 Roseau 96 105 0.914 296:30
0.522 L_CARLSON 11 EastRidge 54 58 0.931 171:11
0.513 H_WENTLAND 12 Hibbing/Chisholm 116 127 0.913 274:14
0.505 M_MARSTON 11 WhiteBearLake 15 16 0.938 34: 0
0.486 R_MANNING 11 NorthMetro 56 67 0.836 131:30
0.486 M_MARCOTTE 9 InternationalFalls 95 111 0.856 260:59
0.457 Sarah_MILLER 11 RobbinsdaleArmstrong/Cooper 28 37 0.757 68: 0
0.450 S_QUARVE 9 RochesterCentury 36 46 0.783 51: 0
0.446 G_STEELE 9 ThiefRiverFalls 66 75 0.880 238: 0
0.424 K_AMUNDSON 9 RobbinsdaleArmstrong/Cooper 3 6 0.500 9:10
0.421 K_DANIELSON 10 GrandRapids/Greenway 24 27 0.889 110: 0
0.418 R_KENNEDY 9 Hill-Murray 54 58 0.931 264:29
0.415 B_FREEMAN 10 ChamplinPark 8 8 1.000 82: 0
0.414 N_SCHULZ 11 Brainerd/LittleFalls 25 30 0.833 109: 6
0.413 A_LANGTON 8 ElkRiver/Zimmerman 4 4 1.000 17: 0
0.406 G_RIVARD 9 Brainerd/LittleFalls 4 6 0.667 14: 2
0.404 Aurora_Johnson 9 Bismarck 39 45 0.867 127:30
0.404 C_PRIOR 8 DuluthMarshall 3 5 0.600 16:30
0.398 A_JULIUS 9 Woodbury 42 47 0.894 124: 5
0.394 B_MACKLIN 9 LakevilleSouth 6 7 0.857 51: 0
0.373 JR_WEKSETH 9 MooseLake-WillowRiver 19 22 0.864 51: 0
0.371 B_HOPPE 12 St.PaulBlades 149 177 0.842 294:27
0.366 LeAnne_Brydl 12 WestFargo 48 55 0.873 153: 0
0.361 M_BROOKS 12 HolyAngels 33 41 0.805 68: 0
0.360 K_THOMAS 10 SpringLakePark/CoonRapids 1 1 1.000 5:10
0.353 E_LUND 10 Cloquet-Esko-Carlton 9 10 0.900 34: 0
0.342 I_HOVEL 9 PrairieCentre 19 22 0.864 51: 0
0.328 R_SIEGER 9 Minneapolis 46 52 0.885 68: 0
0.297 K_BRAKE 9 NewPrague 5 6 0.833 17: 0
0.290 A_BURYSKA 9 Owatonna 46 51 0.902 196:51
0.277 M_BIRKHOLZ 10 EastGrandForks 44 49 0.898 159:10
0.260 M_WATZEK 10 Waseca 41 49 0.837 119: 0
0.251 K_MANKIE 10 ParkRapids 75 94 0.798 178:30
0.239 C_REED 10 NewUlm 26 28 0.929 170: 0
0.220 H_HOSKINS 12 Litchfield/Dassel-Cokato 15 16 0.938 51: 0
0.206 J_KARRMAN 12 DodgeCounty 8 12 0.667 56:57
0.199 C_NANGLE 0 Austin 64 74 0.865 116:19
0.195 O_KLUND 10 St.CroixValley 14 16 0.875 85: 0
0.174 K_BENTS 9 Worthington 10 10 1.000 17: 0
0.174 E_FRIEND 12 Princeton 4 7 0.571 68: 0
0.166 S_WIEDENBAUER 9 Arrowhead 55 83 0.663 177:37
0.162 P_COPPEL 10 Hibbing/Chisholm 13 14 0.929 51: 0
0.160 T_SMITH 10 MoundWestonka 10 10 1.000 34: 0
0.132 B_GOEHRING 10 BayArea 19 20 0.950 97:38
0.128 K_HOLMAN 8 RochesterMayo 2 3 0.667 8:16
0.127 D_BUTTERFIELD 11 BayArea 6 6 1.000 32: 0
0.092 E_VOLKMER 9 Waseca 55 67 0.821 212: 0
0.080 F_PORTER 10 ThiefRiverFalls 8 10 0.800 119: 0
0.079 L_MOJKOWSKI 10 NorthShore 19 21 0.905 85: 0
0.033 M_WILLARD 10 Windom 4 4 1.000 17: 0
0.029 J_KASISKA 10 NewUlm 8 9 0.889 51: 0
0.026 H_EHLERS 9 RedWing 2 3 0.667 21:43
0.022 J_HOEHN 8 St.Peter 2 3 0.667 17: 0
0.000 K_SMITH 10 Cretin-DerhamHall 0 0 0.000 51: 0
0.000 M_WUOLLET 10 Rogers 0 0 0.000 59: 0
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:13 pm
by itsfoilcoach
Bad information in, bad information out. First of all look up something called Adjusted SV%. Not all tools such as LSQ should be applied to all circumstances. We can all agree that SOS is very important to rankings as a whole. But to apply this style when deciphering rankings, or judging the qualities/skills of a goalie is at best not worth the time it took to run the numbers for it. As far as shots on net.. some teams ranking low on the LSQ based on SOS had around a 1000 shots. Sure they did, but what ever. I'm sure you can thank dad, or mom, or that student manger for those numbers trying to help them qualify for Mrs. Goalie. To achieve those numbers what is that like a shot every 45 seconds for every minute for every game in the season...not easy to achieve. Again, whatever there. But what I'm trying to say is these shot numbers are less accurate then these rankings, and that's saying a lot. Frankly the stronger the team more shots are taken from top of the circles, to outside faceoff circles to high in the zone. If a goalie getting close to a 1000 shots deep in the zone on her, as opposed to a goalie getting D1/quality defensemen stopping them at the blue line, its a whole different hockey game and shot. That's where Adjusted SV% comes in. Colleges uses it, NHL uses it. There has been a few goalies wash out from D1 to D3 that was ranked very high in rankings like this, they were all highly awarded by the conference, and ranked high as well, but at the end of the day it was very misleading when considering skills. This does a disservice more than anything. In fact, you could almost say the SOS/LSQ should be looked at inversely. Some of those goalies who get rebound after rebound, and riddled with shots sitting on a 875-900SV% are far superior to a goalie seeing 300 shots high in the zone for 25 games sitting on a 940SV%. But even if Adjusted SV% were to be used, you still need accurate shot counts, and we all know some of these shots counts are far from accurate. Is this an absolute for all goalies, no, but you can see there is definitely good reasons not to look at these rankings very seriously at all. Best way to see how a goalie is... get out and watch them!
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:19 pm
by MN_Bowhunter
itsfoilcoach wrote:Bad information in, bad information out. First of all look up something called Adjusted SV%. Not all tools such as LSQ should be applied to all circumstances. We can all agree that SOS is very important to rankings as a whole. But to apply this style when deciphering rankings/qualities for goalies is at best not worth the time it took to run the numbers for it. As far as shots on net.. some teams ranking low on the LSQ based on SOS had around a 1000 shots. Sure they did, but what ever. I'm sure you can thank dad, or mom, or that student manger for those numbers trying to help them qualify for Mrs. Goalie. To achieve those numbers what is that like a shot every 14 seconds for every minute for every game in the season. Again, what ever there. But what I'm trying to say is these shot numbers are less accurate then these rankings, and that's saying a lot. Frankly the stronger the team more shots are taken from top of the circles, to outside faceoff circles to high in the zone. If a goalie getting close to a 1000 shots deep in the zone on her, as opposed to a goalie getting D1/quality defensemen stopping them at the blue line, its a whole different hockey game and shot. That's where Adjusted SV% comes in. Colleges uses it, NHL uses it. There has been a few goalies wash out from D1 to D3 that was ranked very high in rankings like this, they were all highly awarded by the conference, and ranked high as well, but at the end of the day it was very misleading when considering skills. This does a disservice more than anything. In fact, you could almost say the SOS/LQS should be looked at inversely. Some of those goalies who get rebound after rebound, and riddled with shots sitting on a 875-900SV% are far superior to a goalie seeing 300 shots high in the zone for 25 games. But even if Adjusted SV% were to be used, you still need accurate shot counts, and we all know some of these shots counts are far from accurate. Is this an absolute for all goalies, no, but you can see there is definitely good reasons not to look at these rankings very seriously at all. Best way to see how a goalie is... get out and watch them!
Not only can you not trust the stats. The stats don't tell you much anyway. I saw some pretty bad hockey players in net at state this year who have pretty good stats. Kids who refuse to leave their net to play pucks for their d. Kids who cover pucks they shouldn't. Kids who can't control rebounds. If you have a great team in front of you they will make up for that and even keep that goalies stats up. Stopping pucks makes you a goalie, doing all the other stuff well makes you a hockey player.
Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:23 pm
by itsfoilcoach
Spot on! Sticks for rebound control was non-existent for most... a lost practice. Saw a lot of leg pads straight out for some juicy rebounds straight out front, or to the weak side back door rebound because the stick was not involved in the play what so ever. Having a good team in front is tough when learning skills for a goalie. You cant sit and watch for most of the season and think you can perform at a high level when the time comes. Realty hits hard when faced by good skaters and shooters..
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:03 am
by LSQRANK
Bow Hunter .. Yes I agree with you with respect to not seeing a lot of good goalies this past weekend, but there were a few that did rise to the top. Be aware of the statistical concept of normalization. The result give you a relative re-scaling, not an absolute measure, and is a tool for recruiter and scouts to guide the process of where they travel to go watch a player. As I was sitting watching the AA games, I would like to see shots categorized by high and low percentage shots that would paint a slightly different picture. But with that said, we have what we have as far as collected data (straight from the MN HH), and normalizing the raw SV% according to relative strength of the opponent that the goalie is facing is much better than depending upon the raw percentage alone.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:33 am
by itsfoilcoach
LSQRANK wrote:Bow Hunter .. Yes I agree with you with respect to not seeing a lot of good goalies this past weekend, but there were a few that did rise to the top. Be aware of the statistical concept of normalization. The result give you a relative re-scaling, not an absolute measure, and is a tool for recruiter and scouts to guide the process of where they travel to go watch a player. As I was sitting watching the AA games, I would like to see shots categorized by high and low percentage shots that would paint a slightly different picture. But with that said, we have what we have as far as collected data (straight from the MN HH), and normalizing the raw SV% according to relative strength of the opponent that the goalie is facing is much better than depending upon the raw percentage alone.
So what your saying even though your data points are flawed, we should use this because "we have what we have". But I would add... Regardless of the "statistical" concept, or the "re-scaling" of data, or the "normalizing" of data, at the end of the day, it's still flawed. There are several undeniable truths about statistics: First and foremost, they can be manipulated, massaged and misstated if not applied correctly, which is is exactly the case here. By expanding the scope of your formula outside its intended purpose you significantly influenced the results useless. My hope is scouts don't use this as a guide for trips. They maybe wasting their time, as well as being very disappointed in what they see.
Is there the ability to use the MNHH data to look at scoring
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:22 am
by massalsa
It would be great to be able to look at scoring "Normalized for Relative Strength of Opponent (RSOOP)".
Also would be great to be able to look at scoring/points leaders or simply being able to sort graduating years.
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:21 pm
by LSQRANK
Foilman .. please at lease take a basic statistics course from your local community college before you post again on the subject. Might help ...
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:08 pm
by itsfoilcoach
LSQRANK wrote:Foilman .. please at lease take a basic statistics course from your local community college before you post again on the subject. Might help ...
Interesting you say that. I was in your class. By the way community colleges are a great way to save money... statistically speaking.
Re: Girls HS Goalie SV% normalized for RSOOP
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:11 pm
by Clapper
I would say put your stats interest in another area. This is about the dumbest ranking I have seen. Rather than penalizing goalies based on strength of schedule how about penalize the goalies based on quality of team they play for. It's pretty obvious the better team you play for the less quality scoring chances you see as a goalie. Just because you play a weaker schedule doesn't mean you are seeing lesser quality shots.
Re: Girls HS Goalie SV% normalized for RSOOP
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:08 pm
by itsfoilcoach
Clapper wrote:I would say put your stats interest in another area. This is about the dumbest ranking I have seen. Rather than penalizing goalies based on strength of schedule how about penalize the goalies based on quality of team they play for. It's pretty obvious the better team you play for the less quality scoring chances you see as a goalie. Just because you play a weaker schedule doesn't mean you are seeing lesser quality shots.
Spot on. That's exactly the point here. Mr LSQ just doesn't get it ...no disrespect intended.
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:47 pm
by MN_Bowhunter
I guess where I get lost is because I can't math too good.
I don't understand why the adjusted percentages are so low.
For it to make sense to me it would need to adjust each goalie's % up or down based on the strength of her own team and the opposition.
Goldstein at Edina would have to come down simply because she's on the best team, but conversely, Winona's % should go up.
That's where ya lost me, but I admit that's my problem, not yours. I can see where goalies with lower actual % are ranked higher than others so I know that they are getting that credit, I just don't get the ranking system I guess.
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:36 pm
by zooomx
High School Goalie Stats =/< worthless.
The data getting entered in the front end is worthless to start. Shots on goals being judged by mostly random volunteers, who often are quick, or slow on the shot button. Also, the angle at which the scoring table sits makes it impossible to even correctly judge shots on the long side of each net.
I feel for goalie parents, as people probably do judge many of our goalies first off of stats. Scouts still go and watch, but are they overlooking goalies on bad teams who are facing higher quality shots and easier tap ins?
Watching goalies this season, some of the "elite" goalies did not pass the eye test and were way shakier than their stats would indicate. Other "weaker" goalies via stats were pretty darn solid.
Add in that many of the players on this list only played 7-10 games, we are talking small sample size. So, it is tough to see data like this posted without some strong disclaimers about the quality of the data.
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:56 pm
by MNHockeyFan
I always wondered why more D1 goalies don't come from Minnesota. I don't have the stats to back this up, but if you look at all the D1 teams throughout the country, very few with significant playing time come from Minnesota...at least as a percentage of the total as compared to forwards and defensemen.
Any theories that might help explain this?
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:17 pm
by itsfoilcoach
zooomx wrote:High School Goalie Stats =/< worthless.
The data getting entered in the front end is worthless to start. Shots on goals being judged by mostly random volunteers, who often are quick, or slow on the shot button. Also, the angle at which the scoring table sits makes it impossible to even correctly judge shots on the long side of each net.
I feel for goalie parents, as people probably do judge many of our goalies first off of stats. Scouts still go and watch, but are they overlooking goalies on bad teams who are facing higher quality shots and easier tap ins?
Watching goalies this season, some of the "elite" goalies did not pass the eye test and were way shakier than their stats would indicate. Other "weaker" goalies via stats were pretty darn solid.
Add in that many of the players on this list only played 7-10 games, we are talking small sample size. So, it is tough to see data like this posted without some strong disclaimers about the quality of the data.
Very well said zooomx.
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:36 pm
by itsfoilcoach
MNHockeyFan wrote:I always wondered why more D1 goalies don't come from Minnesota. I don't have the stats to back this up, but if you look at all the D1 teams throughout the country, very few with significant playing time come from Minnesota...at least as a percentage of the total as compared to forwards and defensemen.
Any theories that might help explain this?
I think for starters part of the reason is the stats plays a huge role. Not very dependable from any aspect. Take a look at the All State and All Conference selections and how they faired over the years after leaving high school, not so good. Most head coaches don't have a clue about a position that's is very technical in nature. Then they go to speak to these scouts and fall back on those erroneouse numbers because they just don't have a clue. I believe they have missed some very talented girls these past few years due to awards and tainted numbers. This is a sistimic issues, as well as a credibility issue for the state of hockey. These scouts have just learned not to look this way as often as they should due to these issues. There is a lot diamonds in the rough out there. They just can't look at those few so called cream of the crops, kind of like that LSQ ranking shows you. That ranking is truly a indicator what is wrong with goalie stats. Zooomx hit the nail on the head...
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:04 pm
by MN_Bowhunter
Partly due to the system only rewarding winning goalies on teams "that matter". Partly because our kids don't play as many games and therefore don't develop as quickly as the eastern or Canadian kids. They're signing them at 15 or 16 years old. Most mn kids aren't even starting varsity yet so unless you're on own of the few AAA teams that travel the globe all off season, well... enjoy playing d3.
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:32 pm
by LSQRANK
BowHunter .. you are absolutely right about contrast between MN High School and 19U_AAA. I noticed on the College Commitment web site that very few MN HS girl goalies were committed compared to kids out of places like Oakville, Chicago Mission, etc... When I did the tally, I was rather shocked at how few MN goalies were on the list! These U19 AAA teams plays upwards of 50 or more games from SEPT-MAR, thats a full 25 games or more for two goalies each team. MN goalies who are splitting time in the nets don't anywhere near that number of games.
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:29 am
by itsfoilcoach
MN_Bowhunter wrote:Partly due to the system only rewarding winning goalies on teams "that matter". Partly because our kids don't play as many games and therefore don't develop as quickly as the eastern or Canadian kids. They're signing them at 15 or 16 years old. Most mn kids aren't even starting varsity yet so unless you're on own of the few AAA teams that travel the globe all off season, well... enjoy playing d3.
Spot on.