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With the format change to the AA level. What 32 Teams will get the BID?

North Region:

Moorhead
Bemidji
Cloquet
Hermantown
Duluth East
Grand Rapids
Hibbing
Roseau
Brainerd

South/West/East: 21 Teams in Red Make It, 3 Remaining Spots?

D2:

WBL
Stillwater
Forest Lake

D3:

Minneapolis
Wayzata
OMG
SLP

D4: No Teams

D5:

St. Cloud
Buffalo
Rogers
STMA

D6:

Edina
Chaska/Chann
EP
Jefferson
Prior Lake
Burnsville
Minnetonka

D8:

Rosemount
Eastview
Lakeville South
Woodbury
Eagan
Hastings
Sibley
Lakeville North
Apple Valley

D9:

Rochester
Owatonna

D10:

Blaine
Andover
Elk River
Centennial

** Bubble Teams**

Forest Lake 3-7-1 vs. Bubble Teams/ Overall 8-38-5
SLP 1-3-0 vs. Bubble Teams/ Overall 14-23-4
Rogers 4-8-3 vs. Bubble Teams/ Overall 10-32-4
Buffalo 6-3-1 vs. Bubble Teams / 11-17-4
STMA 2-6-3 vs. Bubble Teams/ Overall 15-17-7
Eagan 6-3-2 vs. Bubble Teams/ Overall 17-17-7
Hastings 6-1-2 vs. Bubble Teams/ Overall 21-17-5
Sibley 6-4-2 vs. Bubble Teams/ Overall 18-23-2
Lakeville North 4-6-2 vs. Bubble Teams/ Overall 7-25-3
Apple Valley 2-7-2 vs. Bubble Teams / Overall 14-22-3
Owatonna 4-4-5 vs. Bubble Teams / 13-13-3
Centennial 8-1-1 vs. Bubble Teams/ Overall 10-31-5

2/12/2015

Updated:


South/East/West Regions:

1. Edina
2. Minneapolis
3. Rosemount
4. WBL
5. OMG
6. Blaine
7. Andover
8. St. Cloud
9. Chaska/Chann
10. Prior Lake
11. Wayzata
12. Elk River
13. Stillwater
14. Eden Prairie
15. Jefferson
16. Eastview
17. Rochester
18. Lakeville South
19. Woodbury
20. Burnsville
21. Minneonka
22. Hastings (Can solidify spot with playoff wins)
23. Centennial (Can solidify spot with playoff wins)
24. Eagan (Can solidify spot with playoff wins)

25. Buffalo
26. Sibley (Can play its self in with wins over Apple Valley, Eagan, Hastings, Woodbury in playoffs)
27. Owatonna
28. Forest Lake
29. St. Louis Park
30. Apple Valley (Can play its self in with wins over Sibley, Eagan, Hastings, Woodbury in playoffs)
31. Rogers
32. Lakeville North

Rank12 wrote:2/12/2015

Updated:


South/East/West Regions:

1. Edina
2. Minneapolis
3. Rosemount
4. WBL
5. OMG
6. Blaine
7. Andover
8. St. Cloud
9. Chaska/Chann
10. Prior Lake
11. Wayzata
12. Elk River
13. Stillwater
14. Eden Prairie
15. Jefferson
16. Eastview
17. Rochester
18. Lakeville South
19. Woodbury
20. Burnsville
21. Minneonka
22. Hastings (Can solidify spot with playoff wins)
23. Centennial (Can solidify spot with playoff wins)
24. Eagan (Can solidify spot with playoff wins)

25. Buffalo
26. Sibley (Can play its self in with wins over Apple Valley, Eagan, Hastings, Woodbury in playoffs)
27. Owatonna
28. Forest Lake
29. St. Louis Park
30. Apple Valley (Can play its self in with wins over Sibley, Eagan, Hastings, Woodbury in playoffs)
31. Rogers
32. Lakeville North

Hastings beat Lakeville South in the district playoff, so that should help if not lock their spot. Centennial beat Rogers, which should put them in and take Rogers out. Apple Valley beat both Sibley and Eagan in the playoffs, so the last spot should probably be between AV and Buffalo. Buffalo's spot to lose maybe? Especially if they beat STMA and do well against St. Cloud. AV could make it's case stronger if they add another win or two as well.

Does anyone know where I can get brackets and schedules for PWAA? thanks

Tron wrote:Does anyone know where I can get brackets and schedules for PWAA? thanks

http://www.minnesotahockey.org/regionto ... -peewee-aa

Hastings beat Eastview for another win, so that should give them a spot.

Last two:

23. Centennial
24. ?

Still in contention:

Buffalo
Apple Valley
Owatonna
Forest Lake
SLP

Eagan, Sibley, Rogers and Lakeville North should be out based on play in district tournaments.

Better Dead Than Red wrote:

Tron wrote:Does anyone know where I can get brackets and schedules for PWAA? thanks

http://www.minnesotahockey.org/regionto ... -peewee-aa

Thank you!

I think there are 20 teams that are in:
1 Minneapolis – If they win Thursday vs. Wayzata, that should lock up the overall #1 seed having beaten Edina twice in the last month.
2 Edina
3 Rosemount
4 White Bear Lake
5 OMG – gets the nod over Blaine by beating Blaine twice this year.
6 Blaine
7 St. Cloud – they have played everyone this year and beat Rosemount last weekend
8 Wayzata
9 Stillwater
10 Chaska Chan – dangerous team
11 Andover
12 Prior Lake – my dark horse
13 Eden Prairie
14 Elk River
15 Rochester
16 Woodbury
17 Jefferson
18 Eastview
19 Lakeville South
20 Hastings – strong D8 playoffs has gotten them off the bubble

Bubble teams: Minnetonka – if they don’t give Chaska Chan a game on Friday night, they might not make it. Disappointing season for the Skippers; Burnsville – a win against Jefferson on Saturday night, they should get in; Buffalo – Not a strong schedule. Their best win of the year might have been against Hastings; Eagan – limping home. 2015 hasn’t been kind; Apple Valley – a win against Eastview on Thursday would go a long way to getting into Regions. Out of these five teams, Buffalo looks to be the odd team out unless they pull off a couple of wins in the D5 tourney this weekend.

PEEWEE AA Regional update: 2/19/15


North: Stndard District Playoff Berths

1. Moorhead - 15
2. Cloquet - 11
3. Duluth East - 11
4. Grand Rapids - 12
5. Bemidji - 16
6. Roseau -16
7. Brainerd -15
8. Hibbing - 12

Out: Hermantown

South/East/West - Top ranked 24 teams get in (unless a team ranked below wins district playoff)

1. Minneapolis
2. Edina
3. Rosemount
4. White Bear Lake
5. Osseo/Maple Grove
6. St. Cloud
7. Blaine
8. Stillwater
9. Andover
10. Wayzata
11. Chaska/Chann
12. Prior Lake
13. Elk River
14. Eden Prairie
15. Jefferson
16. Eastview
17. Burnsville
18. Hastings
19. Lakeville South
20. Woodbury
21. Rochester
22. Owatonna
23. Centennial
24. Buffalo/Eagan/Apple Valley

Teams Out:

Sibley, Rogers, Forest Lake, Lakeville North, St. Louis Park, STMA

correct me if I am wrong. the way I am seeing the numbers approx. 70% of ALL AA Peewee teams make it to regions ?

I would think the number would be reduced as the number of overall teams reduces. maybe i'm wrong, this thread seems to apply almost every team makes it?

Rank12 wrote:PEEWEE AA Regional update: 2/19/15


22. Owatonna
23. Centennial
24. Buffalo/Eagan/Apple Valley

Teams Out:

Sibley, Rogers, Forest Lake, Lakeville North, St. Louis Park, STMA

What about Minnetonka? Would you really put Owatonna over them? They've played tough tournaments and are in a tough district.

I'd say the last spot is Buffalo/AV/Owatonna.

I don't see Eagan in the mix having lost to AV head to head in the district playoffs and in the last regular season game those two played...

Better Dead Than Red wrote:

Rank12 wrote:PEEWEE AA Regional update: 2/19/15


22. Owatonna
23. Centennial
24. Buffalo/Eagan/Apple Valley

Teams Out:

Sibley, Rogers, Forest Lake, Lakeville North, St. Louis Park, STMA

What about Minnetonka? Would you really put Owatonna over them? They've played tough tournaments and are in a tough district.

I'd say the last spot is Buffalo/AV/Owatonna.

I don't see Eagan in the mix having lost to AV head to head in the district playoffs and in the last regular season game those two played...

tough schedule yes, but .326 winning percentage no matter who you play should not qualify for regions, JMO.

MWS coach wrote:

Better Dead Than Red wrote:

Rank12 wrote:PEEWEE AA Regional update: 2/19/15


22. Owatonna
23. Centennial
24. Buffalo/Eagan/Apple Valley

Teams Out:

Sibley, Rogers, Forest Lake, Lakeville North, St. Louis Park, STMA

What about Minnetonka? Would you really put Owatonna over them? They've played tough tournaments and are in a tough district.

I'd say the last spot is Buffalo/AV/Owatonna.

I don't see Eagan in the mix having lost to AV head to head in the district playoffs and in the last regular season game those two played...

tough schedule yes, but .326 winning percentage no matter who you play should not qualify for regions, JMO.

Well, they have to pick 24 teams. I would hope they wouldn't just use winning percentage since that would encourage teams to play lesser competition. You would think they would reward good teams playing tough competition even if they lose.

They did in Minnetonka's case with the #19 seed. Not so much in Centennial's case.

Scratching my head a bit as to how Eagan got the #24 over Apple Valley?

Ahh yes, 24 do have to make it. D6/3 Combo does seem to have made out very well this year in looking at the seedings. How does EP with a 20-20-8 record end up in the 13th spot? Minus northern teams they were 15 in LPH, 17 in YHH now rankings, I guess they played a tough schedule so they should move up? Prior Lake 14th on LPH and 13th on YHH move to 11? Jefferson got the shaft, ahead of both in both rankings and end up with the 15?

Of course strength of schedule should come into play, but shouldn't you still have to win some of those games?

The biggest flaw of AA/A split. Almost everyone makes it to regions at AA. Under the old format, you had to WIN to make it. Look at North Branch at PWA this year, Sixth place in D10 PWA during the regular season, however, put it all together during playoffs and win the D10 playoffs to make it to regions, decided on the ice, not in a board room. My point, no matter strength of schedule, who you play or what district you are from, who makes it is decided on the ice. Oh by the way, not every team in D10 at PWA even made it to districts, one more loss instead of a win and one tie ends in a loss and NB does not even make the playoffs. Yet a .326 winning percentage and you are in. Certainly seedings are a better option than filling the spots from districts with more than 3 teams, just does not seem right that you lose more than 3/4ths of your games and you are still in regions

I too have noticed that many of the ranking services out there today are leaning more and more on strength of Schedule or what I term "Signature Losses". I think it's a byproduct of systems like the Pairwise in college hockey. Less and less scrutiny is applied to your actual win / loss total and more weight is given to strength of schedule. I don't know what the right recipe is but I do get a chuckle at the rink when we lose to a highly ranked team and coaches and parents can be heard saying..."Hey that loss will help our ranking."

MWS coach wrote:Ahh yes, 24 do have to make it. D6/3 Combo does seem to have made out very well this year in looking at the seedings. How does EP with a 20-20-8 record end up in the 13th spot? Minus northern teams they were 15 in LPH, 17 in YHH now rankings, I guess they played a tough schedule so they should move up? Prior Lake 14th on LPH and 13th on YHH move to 11? Jefferson got the shaft, ahead of both in both rankings and end up with the 15?

Of course strength of schedule should come into play, but shouldn't you still have to win some of those games?

The biggest flaw of AA/A split. Almost everyone makes it to regions at AA. Under the old format, you had to WIN to make it. Look at North Branch at PWA this year, Sixth place in D10 PWA during the regular season, however, put it all together during playoffs and win the D10 playoffs to make it to regions, decided on the ice, not in a board room. My point, no matter strength of schedule, who you play or what district you are from, who makes it is decided on the ice. Oh by the way, not every team in D10 at PWA even made it to districts, one more loss instead of a win and one tie ends in a loss and NB does not even make the playoffs. Yet a .326 winning percentage and you are in. Certainly seedings are a better option than filling the spots from districts with more than 3 teams, just does not seem right that you lose more than 3/4ths of your games and you are still in regions

I don't know how you can say Jefferson got the shaft. They lost to Minnetonka, a team you don't think should be in the field. Jefferson ended up as a #5 seed in their region. If you move them to where EP (a #5 seed) or PL (a #4 seed) are, and assuming they win their first game, they would play Minneapolis or Edina in their second game, as opposed to Rosemount in their current region. Jefferson would be/will be the underdog against any of those teams. The real winner in the seeding process was District 8 -- 6 of their 8 AA teams made the field. Not sure that should have happened. Other than Rosemount, the D8 teams all picked up wins beating each other.

No system is perfect and the current AA process is what we have. Outside of D6, everyone else had a district tournament, so SLP, Centennial, Forest Lake, Owatonna, Apple Valley and Lakeville North all had a chance to "win" their way into Regions.

mnhockey2019 wrote:

MWS coach wrote:Ahh yes, 24 do have to make it. D6/3 Combo does seem to have made out very well this year in looking at the seedings. How does EP with a 20-20-8 record end up in the 13th spot? Minus northern teams they were 15 in LPH, 17 in YHH now rankings, I guess they played a tough schedule so they should move up? Prior Lake 14th on LPH and 13th on YHH move to 11? Jefferson got the shaft, ahead of both in both rankings and end up with the 15?

Of course strength of schedule should come into play, but shouldn't you still have to win some of those games?

The biggest flaw of AA/A split. Almost everyone makes it to regions at AA. Under the old format, you had to WIN to make it. Look at North Branch at PWA this year, Sixth place in D10 PWA during the regular season, however, put it all together during playoffs and win the D10 playoffs to make it to regions, decided on the ice, not in a board room. My point, no matter strength of schedule, who you play or what district you are from, who makes it is decided on the ice. Oh by the way, not every team in D10 at PWA even made it to districts, one more loss instead of a win and one tie ends in a loss and NB does not even make the playoffs. Yet a .326 winning percentage and you are in. Certainly seedings are a better option than filling the spots from districts with more than 3 teams, just does not seem right that you lose more than 3/4ths of your games and you are still in regions

I don't know how you can say Jefferson got the shaft. They lost to Minnetonka, a team you don't think should be in the field. Jefferson ended up as a #5 seed in their region. If you move them to where EP (a #5 seed) or PL (a #4 seed) are, and assuming they win their first game, they would play Minneapolis or Edina in their second game, as opposed to Rosemount in their current region. Jefferson would be/will be the underdog against any of those teams. The real winner in the seeding process was District 8 -- 6 of their 8 AA teams made the field. Not sure that should have happened. Other than Rosemount, the D8 teams all picked up wins beating each other.

No system is perfect and the current AA process is what we have. Outside of D6, everyone else had a district tournament, so SLP, Centennial, Forest Lake, Owatonna, Apple Valley and Lakeville North all had a chance to "win" their way into Regions.

One loss does not make or break a season. I am just going on rankings one human (LPH) and one computer (YHH Now) the YHH rankings indicate they use strength of schedule, not sure to what extent, but it says opponents schedule and opponents, opponents Schedule. I am just basing the fact that Jefferson is rated higher in both rankings and end up below both PL and EP.

Other districts did have opportunity to have an automatic if they won their district tournament, that said, only 1 spot not 2 or 3 as was the case in the old model. EP at .500 and MTKA at .326 are hardly numbers of the 13th and 19th best teams in the metro. Ok enough on MTKA, how about EP with a .500 record, the teams right behind them, #14 Elk River 30-16-5, I guess they didn't play a tough enough schedule? #15 Jefferson 28-15-8 D6 schedule but again not tough enough or not a large enough margin of victory, #16 Rochester 24-14-4, #17 LVS 28-24-6 all with better records than EP and ahead of them in the computer rankings? Is what it is, to get to State you need 3 or 4 wins and will have to win some tough games, just seems that IMHO there was way to much put on strength of schedule.

Should have one big tourny. NCAA style. Everyone goes. Call it Feb maddness

MWS coach wrote:

mnhockey2019 wrote:

MWS coach wrote:Ahh yes, 24 do have to make it. D6/3 Combo does seem to have made out very well this year in looking at the seedings. How does EP with a 20-20-8 record end up in the 13th spot? Minus northern teams they were 15 in LPH, 17 in YHH now rankings, I guess they played a tough schedule so they should move up? Prior Lake 14th on LPH and 13th on YHH move to 11? Jefferson got the shaft, ahead of both in both rankings and end up with the 15?

Of course strength of schedule should come into play, but shouldn't you still have to win some of those games?

The biggest flaw of AA/A split. Almost everyone makes it to regions at AA. Under the old format, you had to WIN to make it. Look at North Branch at PWA this year, Sixth place in D10 PWA during the regular season, however, put it all together during playoffs and win the D10 playoffs to make it to regions, decided on the ice, not in a board room. My point, no matter strength of schedule, who you play or what district you are from, who makes it is decided on the ice. Oh by the way, not every team in D10 at PWA even made it to districts, one more loss instead of a win and one tie ends in a loss and NB does not even make the playoffs. Yet a .326 winning percentage and you are in. Certainly seedings are a better option than filling the spots from districts with more than 3 teams, just does not seem right that you lose more than 3/4ths of your games and you are still in regions

I don't know how you can say Jefferson got the shaft. They lost to Minnetonka, a team you don't think should be in the field. Jefferson ended up as a #5 seed in their region. If you move them to where EP (a #5 seed) or PL (a #4 seed) are, and assuming they win their first game, they would play Minneapolis or Edina in their second game, as opposed to Rosemount in their current region. Jefferson would be/will be the underdog against any of those teams. The real winner in the seeding process was District 8 -- 6 of their 8 AA teams made the field. Not sure that should have happened. Other than Rosemount, the D8 teams all picked up wins beating each other.

No system is perfect and the current AA process is what we have. Outside of D6, everyone else had a district tournament, so SLP, Centennial, Forest Lake, Owatonna, Apple Valley and Lakeville North all had a chance to "win" their way into Regions.

One loss does not make or break a season. I am just going on rankings one human (LPH) and one computer (YHH Now) the YHH rankings indicate they use strength of schedule, not sure to what extent, but it says opponents schedule and opponents, opponents Schedule. I am just basing the fact that Jefferson is rated higher in both rankings and end up below both PL and EP.

Other districts did have opportunity to have an automatic if they won their district tournament, that said, only 1 spot not 2 or 3 as was the case in the old model. EP at .500 and MTKA at .326 are hardly numbers of the 13th and 19th best teams in the metro. Ok enough on MTKA, how about EP with a .500 record, the teams right behind them, #14 Elk River 30-16-5, I guess they didn't play a tough enough schedule? #15 Jefferson 28-15-8 D6 schedule but again not tough enough or not a large enough margin of victory, #16 Rochester 24-14-4, #17 LVS 28-24-6 all with better records than EP and ahead of them in the computer rankings? Is what it is, to get to State you need 3 or 4 wins and will have to win some tough games, just seems that IMHO there was way to much put on strength of schedule.

I was just tweaking you on Jefferson's loss to Tonka. For what it is worth, MyHockeyRankings has EP ahead of Elk River and Jefferson -- just another data point. My prediction is that Tonka is playing a meaningful game on Sunday.

Also, the old model certainly isn't perfect -- Orono and Edina, two of the best A teams in the same region? Tough for them. No system is perfect.

Elk River looked very good the last couple times FL played them.

mnhockey2019 wrote:

MWS coach wrote:

mnhockey2019 wrote: I don't know how you can say Jefferson got the shaft. They lost to Minnetonka, a team you don't think should be in the field. Jefferson ended up as a #5 seed in their region. If you move them to where EP (a #5 seed) or PL (a #4 seed) are, and assuming they win their first game, they would play Minneapolis or Edina in their second game, as opposed to Rosemount in their current region. Jefferson would be/will be the underdog against any of those teams. The real winner in the seeding process was District 8 -- 6 of their 8 AA teams made the field. Not sure that should have happened. Other than Rosemount, the D8 teams all picked up wins beating each other.

No system is perfect and the current AA process is what we have. Outside of D6, everyone else had a district tournament, so SLP, Centennial, Forest Lake, Owatonna, Apple Valley and Lakeville North all had a chance to "win" their way into Regions.

One loss does not make or break a season. I am just going on rankings one human (LPH) and one computer (YHH Now) the YHH rankings indicate they use strength of schedule, not sure to what extent, but it says opponents schedule and opponents, opponents Schedule. I am just basing the fact that Jefferson is rated higher in both rankings and end up below both PL and EP.

Other districts did have opportunity to have an automatic if they won their district tournament, that said, only 1 spot not 2 or 3 as was the case in the old model. EP at .500 and MTKA at .326 are hardly numbers of the 13th and 19th best teams in the metro. Ok enough on MTKA, how about EP with a .500 record, the teams right behind them, #14 Elk River 30-16-5, I guess they didn't play a tough enough schedule? #15 Jefferson 28-15-8 D6 schedule but again not tough enough or not a large enough margin of victory, #16 Rochester 24-14-4, #17 LVS 28-24-6 all with better records than EP and ahead of them in the computer rankings? Is what it is, to get to State you need 3 or 4 wins and will have to win some tough games, just seems that IMHO there was way to much put on strength of schedule.

I was just tweaking you on Jefferson's loss to Tonka. For what it is worth, MyHockeyRankings has EP ahead of Elk River and Jefferson -- just another data point. My prediction is that Tonka is playing a meaningful game on Sunday.

Also, the old model certainly isn't perfect -- Orono and Edina, two of the best A teams in the same region? Tough for them. No system is perfect.

Your right, tonka could be aging in Sunday, just does not change their record over the season. Myhockeyrankings is fairly incomplete and I think ha some inaccuries when looking at a few of the schedules side by side.

You are right, no system is perfect. Like I said still need to win three or four games to advance, so in the end really doesn't matter. This board has been dead way to long... C'mon let's get some chatter going!!!

Anyone have a feel for what to expect in the North Region? A bit crazy so far with top 10 Cloquet having their hands full just making it to Regions. Who could have seen that coming?

For those who can't make it to the games this weekend, here is what will happen:

NORTH: Moorhead over Cloqet for #1 seed; Cloquet over GR for #2 seed.

SOUTH: Minneapolis over Blaine for #1 seed; Andover over Blaine for #2 seed (if Blaine were healthy, they would upset Minneapolis).

EAST: Edina over CC for #1 seed; CC over Elk River for #2 seed. WBL loses to CC and Elk River for the surprise early exit.

WEST: Rosemount over OMG for #1 seed; OMG over Wayzata for #2 seed.

How about some regional updates.

observer wrote:How about some regional updates.

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