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Percent chance LVN does not lose a game.
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:50 am
by Just Checking
Looking at the schedule, after today vs Wayzata, LVN does not appear to have many challengers left to play during the regular season.
I say 70% chance they go undefeated regular season.
25% they don't lose.
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:56 am
by ThePuckStopsHere
100% They are the greatest public school team ever recruited - oops I mean assembled – oops you know what I mean
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:00 am
by 100percenteffort
ThePuckStopsHere wrote:100% They are the greatest public school team ever recruited - oops I mean assembled – oops you know what I mean
I'm pretty sure that award goes to Edina!
at least they are all from the same city!!
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:33 pm
by Sats81
Wayzata will come out flying today and will be very tough to beat. They got DE in a few weeks who will be very difficult, PL twice, Burnsville and Farmington again and the rivalry factor game against South at their barn. Definitely not gonna be easy road.
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:06 pm
by Traxler
Sats81 wrote:Wayzata will come out flying today and will be very tough to beat. They got DE in a few weeks who will be very difficult, PL twice, Burnsville and Farmington again and the rivalry factor game against South at their barn. Definitely not gonna be easy road.
DE is struggling against Eastview. I don't see how they will be difficult for Lakeville North.
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:54 pm
by cigar
LN will lose one before sections.
if they don't lose before the state tourney it will not win it.. if the lose one during the season i think it increases its chances of winning state…
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:54 pm
by Sats81
Traxler wrote:Sats81 wrote:Wayzata will come out flying today and will be very tough to beat. They got DE in a few weeks who will be very difficult, PL twice, Burnsville and Farmington again and the rivalry factor game against South at their barn. Definitely not gonna be easy road.
DE is struggling against Eastview. I don't see how they will be difficult for Lakeville North.
A lot of pride and deep history in DE program. Great coaching and a little puck luck..anything can happen.
Very difficult to run the table...deeper you go into season undefeated, harder it is to keep it going as you always get everyones best game.
Ask the 2011-12 DE team.
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:55 pm
by Sats81
cigar wrote:LN will lose one before sections.
if they don't lose before the state tourney it will not win it.. if the lose one during the season i think it increases its chances of winning state…
Agreed on this.
Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:40 pm
by WestMetro
I notice the polling on this question is all over the board.
But after watching them run the gauntlet at Aldrich last week and SLP this week, Panthers get my vote >90 % chance they will go undefeated thru regular season. Absent any major injuries of course. ( First undefeated/untied AA team since Jags in '93 I think?)
10% chance probably Duluth East. Even though he has an off talent year, Mike Randolph might be able to best strategize positioning to close Poehling lanes at neutral ice, and motivate better shotblocking also.
At the State Tournament, anything can happen. They would be the odds on favorite. Biggest challenge at the X will be the head game of overcoming their own history there, and staying disciplined and out of the box.
I have to say, I am very impressed with the fan base following the Panthers around all over the metro. They seemed to outnumber and outyell both Hill and BSM on their home ice. At Aldrich, we sat on visitor side and had to move off the red line over to the blue line to get away from Panther fans standing 10 rows deep in front of us. Expect this cult to further build each game as they go deeper and deeper into season , approaching undefeated legendary status.
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:44 pm
by green4
[quote="WestMetro"]I notice the polling on this question is all over the board.
But after watching them run the gauntlet at Aldrich last week and SLP this week, Panthers get my vote >90 % chance they will go undefeated thru regular season. Absent any major injuries of course. ( First undefeated/untied AA team since Jags in '93 I think?)
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Pretty sure Roseau had a team that was undefeated during the regular season in like 07-08. They lost to Hill in the semi's and then BSM in the 3rd place game
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:07 pm
by WestMetro
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:04 am
by Bayside Tigers
Well, it'll definitely take the power of every team in the state combined to slay the dragon. Kind of like when it took Snuka, Bravo, Smash, Haku, DiBiase and Neidhart to eliminate Earthquake from Royal Rumble 1990.
These Sedin triplets are something special, there's no debate there. But overall, Lakeville is just a flash in the pan. These geeks have a pretty cheap, discounted/free ride to state, and it'll take minimal effort to pull off a state championship and/or this undefeated season. I never played hockey, and I think I could go to state if I was in 1AA. It's my opinion that if the Hockey Gods allow this fate, there be an asterisk next to their name in the record book, with the fine print of "skipped section tournament."
Sure, Farmington has cracked the top 20 in LPH rankings, which is fun and all for the sake of drama & build up. Something to talk & write about. But let's be realistic.
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:40 am
by East Side Pioneer Guy
green4 wrote:WestMetro wrote:I notice the polling on this question is all over the board.
But after watching them run the gauntlet at Aldrich last week and SLP this week, Panthers get my vote >90 % chance they will go undefeated thru regular season. Absent any major injuries of course. ( First undefeated/untied AA team since Jags in '93 I think?)
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Pretty sure Roseau had a team that was undefeated during the regular season in like 07-08. They lost to Hill in the semi's and then BSM in the 3rd place game
There is no comparison between that 07-08 Roseau team and this LVN squad. That Roseau team was riding on the reputation of the previous season's championship finish and a pretty soft schedule. They really hadn't been tested all season. They looked very cocky, especially Ness, in the quarterfinal game.
LVN on the other hand, has a very respectable schedule, and is motivated by falling one game short last season.
But I would say that the Hill game makes me think that it is unlikely they will go undefeated. They outplayed Hill for two periods, with only a two goal lead to show for it. The 3rd period was completely different, their power play went for tic-tact-toe to "is the JV out there now?". Hill came very close to tieing the game.
It can be a very difficult spot to be in if you're unfamiliar with it, with LVN as group is. Has this group won any state championships on the way up? I don't know, I'm just asking. If these kids have been in this situation before, that can help a lot.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:05 am
by Tenoverpar
I got Lakeville North running the table, uncrowning Edina at the X and laying stake as arguably the best team in Minnesota high school hockey history..the only way they lose if they just flat out don't show up one night..we would have to go back to last year around this time when ONE North faithful was on the board touting this group and everyone was like..no way...and even Karl was like...I guess we'll move them up a spot here and there....whoever that was last year in November/December..spot on assessment of the value in this group of players...
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:24 am
by SidneysDogHouse
Tenoverpar wrote:I got Lakeville North running the table, uncrowning Edina at the X and laying stake as arguably the best team in Minnesota high school hockey history..the only way they lose if they just flat out don't show up one night..we would have to go back to last year around this time when ONE North faithful was on the board touting this group and everyone was like..no way...and even Karl was like...I guess we'll move them up a spot here and there....whoever that was last year in November/December..spot on assessment of the value in this group of players...
I would agree on running the table, but the best team ever...that's a stretch.
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:05 am
by keepyourheadup
I really do like this LVN team but any discussion about best team ever is way over the top. Ever includes all the years when almost every top player in the state stayed in high school and privates were not cherry picking top kids out of public programs. Its really like 2 different eras. If 10-15 years down the road we can look back at this group and see the success at the college and professional level that some of those great Jefferson teams had I'd be willing to add them to the conversation but for now I think the best team this year is as far as I'd go.
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:16 am
by keepyourheadup
Regarding the free ride to state: it's pretty tough to argue that getting there out of 1AA is easier than almost all the other sections but this section has a Consolation title a third and a second over the past few years so it's pretty clear they can compete when they get there.
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:26 am
by Mite-dad
I don't know anything about this discussion, but I get this disturbing feeling that STA wins the AA title.......or maybe I'm sleeping and having a nightmare.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:02 pm
by hockey59
Tenoverpar wrote:I got Lakeville North running the table, uncrowning Edina at the X and laying stake as arguably the best team in Minnesota high school hockey history..the only way they lose if they just flat out don't show up one night..we would have to go back to last year around this time when ONE North faithful was on the board touting this group and everyone was like..no way...and even Karl was like...I guess we'll move them up a spot here and there....whoever that was last year in November/December..spot on assessment of the value in this group of players...
You got to be JOKING about laying stake as arguably the best team in Minnesota high school hockey history...CORRECT? They have a nice team...got a good chance at taking State this year...end of story.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:29 pm
by ThePuckStopsHere
hockey59 wrote:Tenoverpar wrote:I got Lakeville North running the table, uncrowning Edina at the X and laying stake as arguably the best team in Minnesota high school hockey history..the only way they lose if they just flat out don't show up one night..we would have to go back to last year around this time when ONE North faithful was on the board touting this group and everyone was like..no way...and even Karl was like...I guess we'll move them up a spot here and there....whoever that was last year in November/December..spot on assessment of the value in this group of players...
You got to be JOKING about laying stake as arguably the best team in Minnesota high school hockey history...CORRECT? They have a nice team...got a good chance at taking State this year...end of story.
Well certainly not as good as the 2002/03 Tornados
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:55 pm
by Tenoverpar
"IF" they run the table end to end...winning state...they will arguably have had the best season in history..."IF"... this would put them in the conversation of best team in history....of course its January 2nd and injuries, puck bounces, penalties, off nights..they all happen so we should delay the remainder of this discussion until there's 8 teams scheduled for the X
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:07 pm
by Sats81
Its definitely early, and as I pointed out earlier in this thread, they have a lot of tough regular season games left (regardless of what some people think).
If they did run the table to the X and happen to win it all I definitely think they would at that point, deserve to be in the conversation of one of best teams ever.
The non-conf schedule they put together was/is one of the toughest in the state....Edina, HM, Wayzata, BSM, DE, Moorhead, Grand Rapids, etc.
Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 3:19 am
by Bayside Tigers
keepyourheadup wrote:I really do like this LVN team but any discussion about best team ever is way over the top. Ever includes all the years when almost every top player in the state stayed in high school and privates were not cherry picking top kids out of public programs.
I was thinking this, too.
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:58 am
by mnhockfan99
LVN is certainly a nice team who I think has a very good chance to play on Sat. night for all the marbles, but I don't think high school hockey overall is that good this year. Just my opinion, I don't see the depth of quality teams or players. Hopefully that will change but the last couple years haven't seemed to be that great compared even to more recent years. Don't have any metrics on that just the eye test at the many games I've seen.
Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:46 am
by Defensive Zone
ThePuckStopsHere wrote:100% They are the greatest public school team ever recruited - oops I mean assembled – oops you know what I mean
North would have had more new players this year but 3-4 players from South decided not to make the jump (follow the North assistant coach). But that is another thread. North has 3 very good lines and a goalie that can stop the puck on any given day. They have a 90-95% chance of staying undefeated this year.