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Received a great note today from a guy from Bemidji (no, not elliot) who spoke out against a previous Letter from a guy who wrote in recently about the screwy MNH AA regional system.

It is a great viewpoint about Metro vs. OutState

http://youthhockeyhub.com/letter-to-the ... ans-north/

Enjoy,

TS

What's outstate? They have hockey out there?

Very interesting. I always thought the purpose of the split was to give smaller associations (a category I would put most northern associations in) their own A tourney. Now the implementation was terrible, and the big metro associations destroyed that concept. I find it interesting that the north is fed up with AA and not A, that has been corrupted by the big associations.

I have always hated the term "out state" what does that mean? Dist 16 15 ETC are still "IN" the state of Minnesota they are not located in North Dakota or Wisconsin.. Totally agree with the rant from Bemidji guy..Some Joe Schmoe from The "cities" believes that his program is more important than the northern teams..Northern teams in the last 5-6 yrs at both Bantam A and PWA level have had Champion Roseau PWA in '09 i believe and Bantam "A" EGF runner up last yr.. Also I know EGF wanted to opt up to AA this yr but was told that they couldn't for reasons unknown.

Flin Flon wrote:I have always hated the term "out state" what does that mean? Dist 16 15 ETC are still "IN" the state of Minnesota they are not located in North Dakota or Wisconsin.. Totally agree with the rant from Bemidji guy..Some Joe Schmoe from The "cities" believes that his program is more important than the northern teams..Northern teams in the last 5-6 yrs at both Bantam A and PWA level have had Champion Roseau PWA in '09 i believe and Bantam "A" EGF runner up last yr.. Also I know EGF wanted to opt up to AA this yr but was told that they couldn't for reasons unknown.

Not entirely true.

At the 11th hour (or later) they wanted to opt up.
They were moved up.
But when we found out that they (whoever they are) wanted two metro teams in the 'north regoinal'; EGF decided to go back to A. We got thta done and then continued to argue to get District 11 3 spots.

If we would have had a north region (made up of D11, 12 & 16 - per the Minnesota Handbook) it would have been 8 of the larger north associations.

But the north (at least 2 of 3) argued 'north means north'.
It is, after all, a north region.

According to the original handbook... Before the AA/A change
D16 - 3 seeds
D11 - 3 seeds
D12 - 2 seeds

D16 - had 3 AA teams Bemidji, Roseau and EGF
D11 - had 3 AA teams Cloquet, Duluth East and Hermantown
D12 - had 2 AA teams Grand Rapids and Hibbing

So why change the North up? I agree

north should be north for sure....the boundries are good

but as always some crybaby city slicker figures out how to get his little pumpkin to someplace he ought not a be.

maybe da north dont have the depth, but we aint got the people or the money either...so bring on slick rick and the boys...if they pull it off good for them...a game is a game

maybe north can have a flannel rebellion.....them slick ricks cant stand that stuff

Here is a list of how the district seeds would have been handed out before the AA/A (2013 old format or how all other levels are doing it other than the AA level), the AA format seeds and the change in births for each district.

and the only reason D5 got an extra seed is because they agreed to send their other teams (Not AA) out to D4 sites to play games..

ex.. to Luverne, Redwood Falls, etc., do you think those parents appreciated that drive back and forth on a Saturday afternoon... NOT

I think the answer is simple...create 8 regions based on geography and each region gets one representative to the State Tournament. Some Regions would have more teams then others, some teams will have to travel more then others. A "State Tournament" by definition suggest that it is not about having the best teams in the state but rather the best teams from around the state. If the two best teams square off in the region final instead of the state final does it really make a difference? People need to stop trying to manufacture story book endings and just let the natural course of things happen. The MSHSL Tournament that all of Minnesota Hockey is based around doesn't guarantee the best teams every year that tournament represents the entire state.

crw wrote:and the only reason D5 got an extra seed is because they agreed to send their other teams (Not AA) out to D4 sites to play games..

ex.. to Luverne, Redwood Falls, etc., do you think those parents appreciated that drive back and forth on a Saturday afternoon... NOT

Pretty sure not one person outside of the great metropolis is crying with you....

defense wrote:

crw wrote:and the only reason D5 got an extra seed is because they agreed to send their other teams (Not AA) out to D4 sites to play games..

ex.. to Luverne, Redwood Falls, etc., do you think those parents appreciated that drive back and forth on a Saturday afternoon... NOT

Pretty sure not one person outside of the great metropolis is crying with you....

Not crying about it.. just stating the facts...

at North PWAA not only does D10 #5 get in, but it gets a #1 seed

http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/docu ... Region.pdf

black sheep wrote:at North PWAA not only does D10 #5 get in, but it gets a #1 seed

http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/docu ... Region.pdf

where they are placed on the bracket, they would be the #6 seed out of 8

the_juiceman wrote:

black sheep wrote:at North PWAA not only does D10 #5 get in, but it gets a #1 seed

http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/docu ... Region.pdf

where they are placed on the bracket, they would be the #6 seed out of 8

That is not the way it works.