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State Tournaments to seed Top 5
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:16 pm
by almostashappy
MSHSL approves seeding 5 teams in all 2012-13 state tournaments.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/158510985.html
To which the cynics will say, "Why don't they just seed all eight like they've been secretly doing for years!"
Re: State Tournaments to seed Top 5
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:22 pm
by Puckguy19
almostashappy wrote:MSHSL approves seeding 5 teams in all 2012-13 state tournaments.
http://www.startribune.com/sports/158510985.html
To which the cynics will say, "Why don't they just seed all eight like they've been secretly doing for years!"
I don't believe they have, but I do believe they should. I see the premise in seeding 1-5 and making sure that the 4-5 matchup has some integrity; but why not just seed the whole thing. So a school is seeded number 8 ~ may not be politically correct, but I'm guessing seed 1-4 this year were surprised to find themselves playing in Minneapolis on Friday and Saturday.
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:27 pm
by observer
Lucky 8th seed wins Stanley Cup.
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:58 pm
by karl(east)
Why don't they just seed all eight like they've secretly been doing for years?
seeding
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:07 pm
by rudy
karl(east) wrote:Why don't they just seed all eight like they've secretly been doing for years?
exactly!
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:41 pm
by East Side Pioneer Guy
It does seem odd to seed 1-5 and not 1-8. On the other hand, it is an improvement over 1-4, and either one is a big improvement over a random draw.
Would a team feel worse being the 8th seed in a state tournament or being the 10th seed in a section tournament?
Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:40 pm
by skipperj
it doesn't take a genius to figure out who the 8th seed is. Just seed them all.
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:27 am
by paulsonj72
skipperj wrote:it doesn't take a genius to figure out who the 8th seed is. Just seed them all.
There was no consensus from the coaches to seed all 8 so thats who they lisitned too.
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:19 pm
by hipcheck
Stupid! The seeding of the top 4 was good, but to seed only to the top 5 just doesn't make sense. Once beyond the top 4 they should seed 1-8.
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:46 am
by seek & destroy
hipcheck wrote:Stupid! The seeding of the top 4 was good, but to seed only to the top 5 just doesn't make sense. Once beyond the top 4 they should seed 1-8.
In order to be politically correct, I think they should never seed all 8 teams. I would only seed teams 1 -7
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:47 am
by Doc Holliday
I'm not against it, but I thought it was fine before. My issue always was the "random" draw when statistically, it was beyond random for the past 3 years in AA. I didn't care, I just didn't like the company line that was being towed.
In any event, I like the 1-4 just being seeded, but I wouldn't cry boo if they went back to straight section random draws. Reason being is that the quarterfinals have suffered for the most part since going to the seeding, minus an occassional nugget (East vs. WBL '11, the Thurs. night AA games this year). I like an awesome Thursday game. I feel the best game of the tournament doesn't have to be the championship and the championship doesn't HAVE to have the top 2 teams. People remember the '96 tournament for a different game than the title, along with '97 to a slightly lesser degree.
I like seeing East-Jefferson '95 on a Thursday night. That obviously wouldn't happen now with 1-5 being seeded, but I still don't mind seeing Edina-Grand Rapids '07. 1 playing the "top" unseeded team isn't a bad thing once in a while.
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:38 am
by hockeydad
I guess I'm with Doc. I always liked the randomness of predetermined section pairings. It gave those first round games a little more suspense. You might have the best game of the tournament between Thursday afternoon. It worked great for so many years, and I wish they had stayed with it.
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:03 pm
by karl(east)
Just out of curiosity, I looked up what the first round games would have been if they'd kept the same rotation schedule over recent years:
2012
Eagan vs. Maple Grove
Benilde vs. Edina
Moorhead vs. Hill-Murray
Duluth East vs. Lakeville South (Can't escape that one, can I?
)
2011
Blaine vs. Moorhead
WBL vs. Duluth East
Eden Prairie vs. Lakeville North
Edina vs. Eagan
2010
Blaine vs. Duluth East
Edina vs. Roseau
Minnetonka vs. Hill-Murray
Apple Valley vs. Lakeville North
2009
Hill-Murray vs. Blaine
Edina vs. Rochester Century
Moorhead vs. Cretin-Derham Hall
Duluth East vs. Eden Prairie
2008
Cloquet vs. Roseau
Benilde vs. Woodbury
Edina vs. Blaine
Hill-Murray vs. Lakeville South
2007
Burnsville vs. Edina
Roseau vs. Rochester Century
Grand Rapids vs. Hill-Murray
Woodbury vs. Blaine
By that measure, there would have been one meeting between seeded teams in the first round the past three years, and also one meeting between non-seeded teams. The first two years would have essentially been the same as a random draw--the four seeded teams would have played non-seeded teams.