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Is MN youth hockey really development or a HS feeder?

Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:42 pm
by Ugottobekiddingme
Who own's this one? Board membership or HS?

Re: Is MN youth hockey really development or a HS feeder?

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:00 am
by Bronc
Ugottobekiddingme wrote:Who own's this one? Board membership or HS?
Both.

They should be working together to develop all the kids.

The goal for most of these kids is to play for their local HS and have a shot at the State Championship.

Re: Is MN youth hockey really development or a HS feeder?

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:11 am
by MnMade-4-Life
Bronc wrote:
Ugottobekiddingme wrote:Who own's this one? Board membership or HS?
Both.

They should be working together to develop all the kids.

The goal for most of these kids is to play for their local HS and have a shot at the State Championship.
Well, it should be both. To me personally, the ultimate goal is HS varsity. Anything beyond that is a blessing.

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:30 am
by InigoMontoya
What varsity coach is interested in bantam C hockey?

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:32 am
by PanthersIn2011
InigoMontoya wrote:What varsity coach is interested in bantam C hockey?
Completely agree, IM. Youth hockey has a much broader scope than just developing the next best HS team.

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:04 am
by hocmom
My kids brought home the paper in the back pack and asked to play hockey. I liked the idea because they would get some exercise and make friends. Now, 15 years latter, I think maybe that is still the most important part.

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:10 am
by Concerned Hockey Coach
Youth Hockey Associations should focus on three things in my opinion. 1) Making hockey fun. 2) Providing players developmental opportunities. 3) Teaching young boys and girls discipline with an emphasis on rewarding effort.

HS coaches should be involved to the extent they can help any of these aspects... which is almost always all three.

It matters too whether you're talking a Roseau or a team in the cities... most cities associations feed hockey players into lots of schools, both public and private. When this is the case, it is NOT the association's role to push one high school over another, public or private.

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:21 am
by InigoMontoya
Making hockey fun.
I think this is one of the most dangerous statements made in arenas. If you made the statement: 'Don't take the fun out of hockey', I would whole-heartedly agree. 'Making hockey fun' leads many people to the conclusion that hockey is not inherently fun, and that it has to be changed or manipulated in some way before a child can enjoy it - like broccoli. If a child doesn't find hockey to be fun, then there are many other options available. Hockey is NOT a no-child-left-behind proposition. Many, many children should not play hockey - there would be nobody left to wrestle, or play basketball, or swim, etc.

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:35 am
by old goalie85
The assc. is for the kids! Now a smart varsity coach will "make his job easier by being involved with the youth coaches, player development comittees, summer programs, [STP] whatever. [see Mike Grant E.P. football] But keep in mind only 3 to 6 kids from any grade or class end up playing varsity.

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:08 pm
by MnMade-4-Life
old goalie85 wrote:The assc. is for the kids! Now a smart varsity coach will "make his job easier by being involved with the youth coaches, player development comittees, summer programs, [STP] whatever. [see Mike Grant E.P. football] But keep in mind only 3 to 6 kids from any grade or class end up playing varsity.
this is more what I meant, stated much better.

Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:16 pm
by Concerned Hockey Coach
InigoMontoya wrote:
Making hockey fun.
I think this is one of the most dangerous statements made in arenas. If you made the statement: 'Don't take the fun out of hockey', I would whole-heartedly agree. 'Making hockey fun' leads many people to the conclusion that hockey is not inherently fun, and that it has to be changed or manipulated in some way before a child can enjoy it - like broccoli. If a child doesn't find hockey to be fun, then there are many other options available. Hockey is NOT a no-child-left-behind proposition. Many, many children should not play hockey - there would be nobody left to wrestle, or play basketball, or swim, etc.
I hear your point, but I must say, in my opinion, "structured hockey" is not always made fun. Coaches should always be conscious of whether their teams are "having fun". That's how you keep the kids playing and giving 100%

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:39 am
by InigoMontoya
Concerned Hockey Coach wrote:
InigoMontoya wrote:
Making hockey fun.
I think this is one of the most dangerous statements made in arenas. If you made the statement: 'Don't take the fun out of hockey', I would whole-heartedly agree. 'Making hockey fun' leads many people to the conclusion that hockey is not inherently fun, and that it has to be changed or manipulated in some way before a child can enjoy it - like broccoli. If a child doesn't find hockey to be fun, then there are many other options available. Hockey is NOT a no-child-left-behind proposition. Many, many children should not play hockey - there would be nobody left to wrestle, or play basketball, or swim, etc.
I hear your point, but I must say, in my opinion, "structured hockey" is not always made fun. Coaches should always be conscious of whether their teams are "having fun". That's how you keep the kids playing and giving 100%
Until someone comes up with the Suite Life of Zach and Cody edge work routine, there will be aspects of practice that are simply less "fun" than others. Cake is more delicious than green beans, but I would bet that a healthy 8 year old has more "fun" than a big, fat 8 year old. By the same token an 8 year old that can go into the corner with speed and come away with the puck is likely going to have more "fun" than the kid that can "limbo".

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 7:41 am
by nobama
Going into the corner with speed is a great way to end your hockey future :?:

Have you had a chance to see all the Butchers that call themselves Players.

Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:28 pm
by Ugottobekiddingme
hocmom wrote:My kids brought home the paper in the back pack and asked to play hockey. I liked the idea because they would get some exercise and make friends. Now, 15 years latter, I think maybe that is still the most important part.
Can't resist this one...being a nine year retired board member from D8 and D9 and getting a "back pack" letter 15 years ago with kids still involved with the program today (rabbit comes to mind) how has the program helped your youth program promote excercise towards your HS program?