District 15 Scores
Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:11 pm
Update level and scores please!
Any predictions?????slow feet no hands guy wrote:Update level and scores please!
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Any predictions?????slow feet no hands guy wrote:Update level and scores please!
Who did LF play? I thought it was suppose to be Fergus? Or did they get a bye?slow feet no hands guy wrote:Moorhead 7
Prairie Center 0
Brainerd 2
Fergus Falls 1
Alex 8
Wadena 1
Detroit Lakes 6
Pequot Lakes 2
The scores posted are Peewee a.GopherPuckPlayer wrote:Who did LF play? I thought it was suppose to be Fergus? Or did they get a bye?slow feet no hands guy wrote:Moorhead 7
Prairie Center 0
Brainerd 2
Fergus Falls 1
Alex 8
Wadena 1
Detroit Lakes 6
Pequot Lakes 2
Heard that some of the parents weren't to happy with this, but I like the idea, equal time, gives more opportunity to develop. Example of this, most of the kids on the Bantam B team this year, some have learned more from the coaches this year, then through their entire young hockey career.Mite-dad wrote:LF does not have an A team this year. Reason was we had 20 kids. Not enough for an A and B team, and really too many for one team. We are currently playing in the PW B District in Sauk Centre. We could have had one large A team or one large B team. Those were our options. We chose to play B hockey because half of our kids were inexperienced players and would have been overwhelmed in A hockey. That was our conundrum this year. It was a tough decision but ultimately we chose the B option. We had 4 lines and rotated. Three lines went to each game, one stayed home. That way every kid got a nearly equal amount of ice time.
And that's all that matters. One year can do a boatload of good in a program. So they are only playing "b" level hockey. Garret Raboin played "b" hockey, he seems just fine. Good luck to Little Falls in the future.GopherPuckPlayer wrote:Heard that some of the parents weren't to happy with this, but I like the idea, equal time, gives more opportunity to develop. Example of this, most of the kids on the Bantam B team this year, some have learned more from the coaches this year, then through their entire young hockey career.Mite-dad wrote:LF does not have an A team this year. Reason was we had 20 kids. Not enough for an A and B team, and really too many for one team. We are currently playing in the PW B District in Sauk Centre. We could have had one large A team or one large B team. Those were our options. We chose to play B hockey because half of our kids were inexperienced players and would have been overwhelmed in A hockey. That was our conundrum this year. It was a tough decision but ultimately we chose the B option. We had 4 lines and rotated. Three lines went to each game, one stayed home. That way every kid got a nearly equal amount of ice time.
GopherPuckPlayer wrote:Heard that some of the parents weren't to happy with this, but I like the idea, equal time, gives more opportunity to develop. Example of this, most of the kids on the Bantam B team this year, some have learned more from the coaches this year, then through their entire young hockey career.[/quoteMite-dad wrote:LF does not have an A team this year. Reason was we had 20 kids. Not enough for an A and B team, and really too many for one team. We are currently playing in the PW B District in Sauk Centre. We could have had one large A team or one large B team. Those were our options. We chose to play B hockey because half of our kids were inexperienced players and would have been overwhelmed in A hockey. That was our conundrum this year. It was a tough decision but ultimately we chose the B option. We had 4 lines and rotated. Three lines went to each game, one stayed home. That way every kid got a nearly equal amount of ice time.
Which part were they not happy with? The fact that they played "B" hockey and had a fun year? I don't get some people. Did they want to bring 4 lines to every game? Did they want two teams with an experienced goalie and 9 skaters on one team and an enexperienced goalie and 10 skaters on another? Hope no one gets sick, hurt, or quits a team. And who was going to coach the other team? Did any of these "unhappy people" step-up and say "I'll coach a team?" I hope that these parents weren't actually "unhappy", just disappointed in our total # of players. I have to wonder if these unhappy parents still feel the same way now that their child got to experience winning a district tournament??
I understand completely the frustration that parents from other associations may have felt at the district tournament. But from my viewing, LF ran 3 lines throughout the tournament. In fact, I think it was a key that helped them to win the championship as Brainerd may have run out of gas running just two lines. The fact is, with the awkward number of kids we had, we had to choose between playing A or B hockey with one BIG team. IMVHO, we have one average A line, one average B1 line, one B2 line and 1 C line. This is how the coach organized the team. He set up 4 lines according to ability. So if that A line didn't play against your team during the regular season, it was because it was there game "off". The other 3 lines were there at your game. As I said earlier, we rotated 3 lines to each game so the whole team was never at a single game until districts. It was decided at the beginning of the season that playing time for all lines would be equal throughout the regular season but come tournament time, the top lines would get more time. Parents agreed to this. I know some folks don't agree with "shortening the bench", but the top three lines all contributed in the tournament and the 4th line also saw some playing time.Player's Dad wrote:I'm a fairly new hockey parent and the District 15 B1 tourney was my first time at a District event. I heard a lot of "buzz" about Little Falls there and it appeared that it was not about the size of their team, but rather their transparency in playing at the B level.
By definition, B hockey should be for the 2nd tier kids from a community. A Hockey should be for the top kids. From what I heard, it appeared that the team on the ice at the Districts was not representative of the teams that Little Falls sent to games over the course of the season. This seemed to bother most of the other teams. Where those top players played during the season seemed to also be a question no one got ansewered in Sauk Centre.
Whether they rotated teams during the season really doesn't matter if they bring their top talent level kids to a B tournament. Those top 7-10 kids are really A players. It appeared also that those top two lines played almost exclusively at the District Tournament meaning the LF B players were relegated to the bench. When you consider that the other teams at the District B tournament represent player talent #15-30 from most associations and LF played with their top 10 kids you can see why other communities get angry over this.
District 15 has communities like Wadena and Sauk Centre playing A hockey and a strong historical team (they have been to the High School State Tourney for the past five seasons) like LF playing only B is somewhat of a "Sandbagging" issue.
Again, I'm pretty new to this, however, the team that LF put on the ice in the District 15 tourney would have competed fine with most of the District 15 A teams. In my opinion, playing their top A level kids at a B level tournament was a dis-service to all the teams that played by the rules and brought their B team.
I totally (and respectfully) disagree. The problem with doing that is if you don't have kids that have the skills to compete, then you will gain little by being thrashed every weekend. What the kids learn to do is backcheck and stand in the defensive zone and try to defend their goal. Its a small victory to just get the puck into the neutral zone. They have little to no success breaking into the offensive zone. IMO, associations should decide based on the talent they have.flyingV wrote:I wish District 15 would dictate that if community only has 1 team, it should play A. If it has 2, it should play 1 A and 1 B. This has always varied from year to year and some towns switch up. The district 15 teams (with exception of Moorhead, who with their numbers always will have A, B, and maybe C teams,) are all fairly competitve with each other. If they would all just plan to do the same thing year in year out it would be more balanced and competitive.
I have no problem with LF fielding a B team and no A team. The district makes the rules and as long as they are followed then there is nothing anyone can do about it. Prairie Centre did it last year and won districts.Mite-dad wrote:So if that A line didn't play against your team during the regular season, it was because it was there game "off". The other 3 lines were there at your game.
Forget the "buzz" and forget what you maybe thought you knew about Little Falls hockey.Player's Dad wrote:I'm a fairly new hockey parent and the District 15 B1 tourney was my first time at a District event. I heard a lot of "buzz" about Little Falls there and it appeared that it was not about the size of their team, but rather their transparency in playing at the B level.
By definition, B hockey should be for the 2nd tier kids from a community. A Hockey should be for the top kids. From what I heard, it appeared that the team on the ice at the Districts was not representative of the teams that Little Falls sent to games over the course of the season. This seemed to bother most of the other teams. Where those top players played during the season seemed to also be a question no one got ansewered in Sauk Centre.
Whether they rotated teams during the season really doesn't matter if they bring their top talent level kids to a B tournament. Those top 7-10 kids are really A players. It appeared also that those top two lines played almost exclusively at the District Tournament meaning the LF B players were relegated to the bench. When you consider that the other teams at the District B tournament represent player talent #15-30 from most associations and LF played with their top 10 kids you can see why other communities get angry over this.
District 15 has communities like Wadena and Sauk Centre playing A hockey and a strong historical team (they have been to the High School State Tourney for the past five seasons) like LF playing only B is somewhat of a "Sandbagging" issue.
Again, I'm pretty new to this, however, the team that LF put on the ice in the District 15 tourney would have competed fine with most of the District 15 A teams. In my opinion, playing their top A level kids at a B level tournament was a dis-service to all the teams that played by the rules and brought their B team.
Glad to hear it.Mite-dad wrote:No PW players played a second of bantam hockey.
flyingV wrote:I wish District 15 would dictate that if community only has 1 team, it should play A. If it has 2, it should play 1 A and 1 B. This has always varied from year to year and some towns switch up. The district 15 teams (with exception of Moorhead, who with their numbers always will have A, B, and maybe C teams,) are all fairly competitve with each other. If they would all just plan to do the same thing year in year out it would be more balanced and competitive.
Ummmm.....Sartell, St. Cloud, Willmar, ...not in district 15.KICKED-IN-THE-PRIVATES wrote:flyingV wrote:I wish District 15 would dictate that if community only has 1 team, it should play A. If it has 2, it should play 1 A and 1 B. This has always varied from year to year and some towns switch up. The district 15 teams (with exception of Moorhead, who with their numbers always will have A, B, and maybe C teams,) are all fairly competitve with each other. If they would all just plan to do the same thing year in year out it would be more balanced and competitive.
You are so far off on this, it is crazy... This is youth hockey, not varsity hockey. Are Little Falls kids (or wadena, sauk centre, M/B, DL, Long Prairie) expected to compete with the Moorhead's, Brainerd's, and St. Cloud's of the world year-in Year-out at an A level? NO. The pure numbers game say this is unrealistic. That's why the Minnesota State High School League set up AA and A varsity levels. The fact that some associations have decided they need to always play "A" Hockey is their own mistake. You have to realistically judge your own talent. Hockey is suppose to be fun. What fun is it to get your head beat in every Game? I could see you point if LF beat everyone in the Pee-Wee tourny 8 -0 etc, you may of had a point. But that was not the case. 6-3 over a good alex team and 2-0 over Brainerd sounds like very competitive games. Isn't that what we want?
Since we are making proposal's to district 15, how about we go by enrollment. Say... for every 500 students you have in grades 9-12, you have that many A Teams and the rest would play B's. For example:
Brainerd 1964 Students 3 A Teams
MoorHead 1527 3 A Teams
Alex 1278 2 A Teams
Northern Lakes 1185 2 A Teams
Apollo 1165 2 A Teams (St. Cloud Youth Hockey would have 5)
Willmar 1119 2 A Teams
Sartell 885 1 A Team
Little Falls 854 1 A Team
Fergus Falls 814 1 A Team
D.L. 785 1 A Team
LP/SC 760 1 A Team
M/B 583 1 A Team
Wadena 458 1 A Team
Brainerd has 1500 more kids than Wadena and that's going to garner a level playing field? What do they do at the youth baseball levels? They have AA and AAA. Flying V get a clue....