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FLRanger27 wrote:I wasn't at the Forest Lake vs. Woodbury varsity game last Saturday night, but I was told some disturbing things from multiple people who were there.

As I understand it, a parent of a Woodbury varsity player (not a high school kid, but a parent!) got upset by what he thought was a bad call and threw a bottle of soda onto the ice, which exploded. Then, when confronted by a Forest Lake fan, that same parent started exchanging punches.

Also, one of Woodbury's top players (not sure if dad was the soda thrower or not) decided to get into the mix by lipping off the an official and subsequently drew a 10 minute misconduct.

When all was said and done and the game was over (a Forest Lake win), the refs had to be escorted out of the rink for safety reasons.

I read through these forum topics quite a bit and have seen some Woodbury parents/fans bash other associations/schools for their poor behavior. Perhaps these people should look in the mirror before bashing other programs. As the old saying goes, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

Goldfishdude wrote:Ponies..... that reminded me...

Me and Youngie had PMs about the WBL v Stillwater game where I was told by the WBL athletic trainer that a couple of Ponies parents were almost escorted from Aldrich at the end of the game.

I told Youngie... "Shame on that behavior!! It's ridiculous!!"

Youngie replied... "I didn't hear about any of our parents getting in trouble."

Come to find out, it was two WBL parents that went after the officials - but I was told that our WBL parents were just asking the refs if they needed their cars warmed up, and windows scraped off.

In all seriousness.... I wish the message can be sent out in a more perfect avenue, but, if people really understood the ramifications and embarassment it had upon the fans, upon the kids and the representation, or lack thereof, and MAYBE, just maybe, handle things in a better way, there wouldn't be as many problems as we seem to have today.

What I mean by this is - rather than throw things on the ice, go attack officials and get arrested or whatnot, if people actually did a more effective approach, like..

* get the names of the officials on ice, and send in your complaint to the person in charge of officials, with the infraction on the ice, and basically, recreate the accident, so to speak, and make them accountable for their work. The head of officials would then review the complaint with the official if there were issues that need to be addressed. If an official is poor, maybe he/she loses their job, and that saves the embarassment of someone getting hauled off in cuffs wearing WBL Bears clothing, and getting mentioned on this forum..

What do I know, though??... I am just waiting for All My Children to come on at noon!

eastside_fan wrote:

FLRanger27 wrote:I wasn't at the Forest Lake vs. Woodbury varsity game last Saturday night, but I was told some disturbing things from multiple people who were there.

As I understand it, a parent of a Woodbury varsity player (not a high school kid, but a parent!) got upset by what he thought was a bad call and threw a bottle of soda onto the ice, which exploded. Then, when confronted by a Forest Lake fan, that same parent started exchanging punches.

Also, one of Woodbury's top players (not sure if dad was the soda thrower or not) decided to get into the mix by lipping off the an official and subsequently drew a 10 minute misconduct.

When all was said and done and the game was over (a Forest Lake win), the refs had to be escorted out of the rink for safety reasons.

I read through these forum topics quite a bit and have seen some Woodbury parents/fans bash other associations/schools for their poor behavior. Perhaps these people should look in the mirror before bashing other programs. As the old saying goes, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

From someone who was at this game, I would like to address the following comments:
1. No one condones the throwing of the CUP of pop on to the ice that spilled, did not explode, but the emotion behind the action was real, misdirected, but real.
2. A Flake fan threw the first punch
3. The player involved in the scrim at the end of the game was:
a. pulled to the ice by the ref causing his helmet to come off
b. was pushed off the ice from behind at the door, causing him to lose balance and COULD have potentially caused an injury
c. This type of action by an official is NEVER acceptable regardless of your fan allegiance
4. This player is not the son of the pop thrower.
5. From the Woodbury perspective, the refs had an agenda, whether true or not, everyone's perception becomes their reality
6. The Flake fans are not totally blameless here. They were as vocal as were the Woodbury fans, just in a different manner, directing comments to the Woodbury fans

...and to paraphrase another post, "Unless you live in a glass house, don't throw any stones." Just laying out a different perspective.

eastside_fan wrote:

FLRanger27 wrote:I wasn't at the Forest Lake vs. Woodbury varsity game last Saturday night, but I was told some disturbing things from multiple people who were there.

As I understand it, a parent of a Woodbury varsity player (not a high school kid, but a parent!) got upset by what he thought was a bad call and threw a bottle of soda onto the ice, which exploded. Then, when confronted by a Forest Lake fan, that same parent started exchanging punches.

Also, one of Woodbury's top players (not sure if dad was the soda thrower or not) decided to get into the mix by lipping off the an official and subsequently drew a 10 minute misconduct.

When all was said and done and the game was over (a Forest Lake win), the refs had to be escorted out of the rink for safety reasons.

I read through these forum topics quite a bit and have seen some Woodbury parents/fans bash other associations/schools for their poor behavior. Perhaps these people should look in the mirror before bashing other programs. As the old saying goes, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

From someone who was at this game, I would like to address the following comments:
1. No one condones the throwing of the CUP of pop on to the ice that spilled, did not explode, but the emotion behind the action was real, misdirected, but real.
2. A Flake fan threw the first punch
3. The player involved in the scrim at the end of the game was:
a. pulled to the ice by the ref causing his helmet to come off
b. was pushed off the ice from behind at the door, causing him to lose balance and COULD have potentially caused an injury
c. This type of action by an official is NEVER acceptable regardless of your fan allegiance
4. This player is not the son of the pop thrower.
5. From the Woodbury perspective, the refs had an agenda, whether true or not, everyone's perception becomes their reality
6. The Flake fans are not totally blameless here. They were as vocal as were the Woodbury fans, just in a different manner, directing comments to the Woodbury fans

...and to paraphrase another post, "Unless you live in a glass house, don't throw any stones." Just laying out a different perspective.

surehockey wrote:

eastside_fan wrote:

FLRanger27 wrote:I wasn't at the Forest Lake vs. Woodbury varsity game last Saturday night, but I was told some disturbing things from multiple people who were there.

As I understand it, a parent of a Woodbury varsity player (not a high school kid, but a parent!) got upset by what he thought was a bad call and threw a bottle of soda onto the ice, which exploded. Then, when confronted by a Forest Lake fan, that same parent started exchanging punches.

Also, one of Woodbury's top players (not sure if dad was the soda thrower or not) decided to get into the mix by lipping off the an official and subsequently drew a 10 minute misconduct.

When all was said and done and the game was over (a Forest Lake win), the refs had to be escorted out of the rink for safety reasons.

I read through these forum topics quite a bit and have seen some Woodbury parents/fans bash other associations/schools for their poor behavior. Perhaps these people should look in the mirror before bashing other programs. As the old saying goes, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

From someone who was at this game, I would like to address the following comments:
1. No one condones the throwing of the CUP of pop on to the ice that spilled, did not explode, but the emotion behind the action was real, misdirected, but real.
2. A Flake fan threw the first punch
3. The player involved in the scrim at the end of the game was:
a. pulled to the ice by the ref causing his helmet to come off
b. was pushed off the ice from behind at the door, causing him to lose balance and COULD have potentially caused an injury
c. This type of action by an official is NEVER acceptable regardless of your fan allegiance
4. This player is not the son of the pop thrower.
5. From the Woodbury perspective, the refs had an agenda, whether true or not, everyone's perception becomes their reality
6. The Flake fans are not totally blameless here. They were as vocal as were the Woodbury fans, just in a different manner, directing comments to the Woodbury fans

...and to paraphrase another post, "Unless you live in a glass house, don't throw any stones." Just laying out a different perspective.

Are you saying the refs where for Flake??? That is why Woodbury lost, Woodbury ADULT threw whatever on the ice, and the altercation??? THE issue is a parent/adult didn't act like one. DO NOT PUT THIS ON THE REFS. There are young children, mine included that attend the games. What kind of example are we setting??? If you want to set that example for your kids, that is your business, just don't do it around mine like you did!!!! Suck it up, take the loss and come out playing harder the next time you hit the ice.

Goldfishdude wrote:Ponies..... that reminded me...

Me and Youngie had PMs about the WBL v Stillwater game where I was told by the WBL athletic trainer that a couple of Ponies parents were almost escorted from Aldrich at the end of the game.

I told Youngie... "Shame on that behavior!! It's ridiculous!!"

Youngie replied... "I didn't hear about any of our parents getting in trouble."

Come to find out, it was two WBL parents that went after the officials - but I was told that our WBL parents were just asking the refs if they needed their cars warmed up, and windows scraped off.

In all seriousness.... I wish the message can be sent out in a more perfect avenue, but, if people really understood the ramifications and embarassment it had upon the fans, upon the kids and the representation, or lack thereof, and MAYBE, just maybe, handle things in a better way, there wouldn't be as many problems as we seem to have today.

What I mean by this is - rather than throw things on the ice, go attack officials and get arrested or whatnot, if people actually did a more effective approach, like..

* get the names of the officials on ice, and send in your complaint to the person in charge of officials, with the infraction on the ice, and basically, recreate the accident, so to speak, and make them accountable for their work. The head of officials would then review the complaint with the official if there were issues that need to be addressed. If an official is poor, maybe he/she loses their job, and that saves the embarassment of someone getting hauled off in cuffs wearing WBL Bears clothing, and getting mentioned on this forum..

What do I know, though??... I am just waiting for All My Children to come on at noon!

eastside_fan wrote:

FLRanger27 wrote:I wasn't at the Forest Lake vs. Woodbury varsity game last Saturday night, but I was told some disturbing things from multiple people who were there.

As I understand it, a parent of a Woodbury varsity player (not a high school kid, but a parent!) got upset by what he thought was a bad call and threw a bottle of soda onto the ice, which exploded. Then, when confronted by a Forest Lake fan, that same parent started exchanging punches.

Also, one of Woodbury's top players (not sure if dad was the soda thrower or not) decided to get into the mix by lipping off the an official and subsequently drew a 10 minute misconduct.

When all was said and done and the game was over (a Forest Lake win), the refs had to be escorted out of the rink for safety reasons.

I read through these forum topics quite a bit and have seen some Woodbury parents/fans bash other associations/schools for their poor behavior. Perhaps these people should look in the mirror before bashing other programs. As the old saying goes, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

From someone who was at this game, I would like to address the following comments:
1. No one condones the throwing of the CUP of pop on to the ice that spilled, did not explode, but the emotion behind the action was real, misdirected, but real.
2. A Flake fan threw the first punch
3. The player involved in the scrim at the end of the game was:
a. pulled to the ice by the ref causing his helmet to come off
b. was pushed off the ice from behind at the door, causing him to lose balance and COULD have potentially caused an injury
c. This type of action by an official is NEVER acceptable regardless of your fan allegiance
4. This player is not the son of the pop thrower.
5. From the Woodbury perspective, the refs had an agenda, whether true or not, everyone's perception becomes their reality
6. The Flake fans are not totally blameless here. They were as vocal as were the Woodbury fans, just in a different manner, directing comments to the Woodbury fans

...and to paraphrase another post, "Unless you live in a glass house, don't throw any stones." Just laying out a different perspective.

FLRanger27 wrote:I wasn't at the Forest Lake vs. Woodbury varsity game last Saturday night, but I was told some disturbing things from multiple people who were there.

As I understand it, a parent of a Woodbury varsity player (not a high school kid, but a parent!) got upset by what he thought was a bad call and threw a bottle of soda onto the ice, which exploded. Then, when confronted by a Forest Lake fan, that same parent started exchanging punches.

Also, one of Woodbury's top players (not sure if dad was the soda thrower or not) decided to get into the mix by lipping off the an official and subsequently drew a 10 minute misconduct.

When all was said and done and the game was over (a Forest Lake win), the refs had to be escorted out of the rink for safety reasons.

I read through these forum topics quite a bit and have seen some Woodbury parents/fans bash other associations/schools for their poor behavior. Perhaps these people should look in the mirror before bashing other programs. As the old saying goes, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

gophs16 wrote:

FLRanger27 wrote:I wasn't at the Forest Lake vs. Woodbury varsity game last Saturday night, but I was told some disturbing things from multiple people who were there.

As I understand it, a parent of a Woodbury varsity player (not a high school kid, but a parent!) got upset by what he thought was a bad call and threw a bottle of soda onto the ice, which exploded. Then, when confronted by a Forest Lake fan, that same parent started exchanging punches.

Also, one of Woodbury's top players (not sure if dad was the soda thrower or not) decided to get into the mix by lipping off the an official and subsequently drew a 10 minute misconduct.

When all was said and done and the game was over (a Forest Lake win), the refs had to be escorted out of the rink for safety reasons.

I read through these forum topics quite a bit and have seen some Woodbury parents/fans bash other associations/schools for their poor behavior. Perhaps these people should look in the mirror before bashing other programs. As the old saying goes, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

Well how about nobody throws stones, thats just bad behavior. Or what if this person that is in the glass house is trapped and only has stones. He should definitely throw the stones. So lets change it to "Only people in glass houses should throw stones, provided they are trapped in the house with a stone." Its a little longer but it works.

karl(east) wrote:

gophs16 wrote:

FLRanger27 wrote:I wasn't at the Forest Lake vs. Woodbury varsity game last Saturday night, but I was told some disturbing things from multiple people who were there.

As I understand it, a parent of a Woodbury varsity player (not a high school kid, but a parent!) got upset by what he thought was a bad call and threw a bottle of soda onto the ice, which exploded. Then, when confronted by a Forest Lake fan, that same parent started exchanging punches.

Also, one of Woodbury's top players (not sure if dad was the soda thrower or not) decided to get into the mix by lipping off the an official and subsequently drew a 10 minute misconduct.

When all was said and done and the game was over (a Forest Lake win), the refs had to be escorted out of the rink for safety reasons.

I read through these forum topics quite a bit and have seen some Woodbury parents/fans bash other associations/schools for their poor behavior. Perhaps these people should look in the mirror before bashing other programs. As the old saying goes, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

Well how about nobody throws stones, thats just bad behavior. Or what if this person that is in the glass house is trapped and only has stones. He should definitely throw the stones. So lets change it to "Only people in glass houses should throw stones, provided they are trapped in the house with a stone." Its a little longer but it works.

I dunno, you make it sound like the only reason people can throw stones would be if they're in a glass house. Aren't there some other times when throwing stones would be acceptable?

wblhockeyfan8 wrote:

karl(east) wrote:

gophs16 wrote: Well how about nobody throws stones, thats just bad behavior. Or what if this person that is in the glass house is trapped and only has stones. He should definitely throw the stones. So lets change it to "Only people in glass houses should throw stones, provided they are trapped in the house with a stone." Its a little longer but it works.

I dunno, you make it sound like the only reason people can throw stones would be if they're in a glass house. Aren't there some other times when throwing stones would be acceptable?

When you're throwing them at private school kids.

youngblood08 wrote:On-Ice Officials Code of Conduct
Act in a professional and businesslike manner at all times and take your role seriously.
Strive to provide a safe and sportsmanlike environment in which players can properly display their hockey skills.
Know all playing rules, their interpretations and their proper application.
Remember that officials are teachers. Set a good example.
Make your calls with quiet confidence, never with arrogance.
Control games only to the extent that is necessary to provide a positive and safe experience for all participants.
Violence should never be tolerated.
Be fair and impartial at all times.
Answer all reasonable questions and requests.
Adopt a “zero tolerance” attitude toward verbal or physical abuse.
Never use foul or vulgar language when speaking with a player, coach or parent.
Use honesty and integrity when answering questions.
Admit your mistakes when you make them.
Never openly criticize a coach, player or other official.
Keep your emotions under control.
Use only USA Hockey–approved officiating techniques and policies.
Maintain your health through a physical conditioning program.
Dedicate yourself to personal improvement and maintenance of your officiating skills.
Respect your supervisor and his/her critique of your performance.


Grant it this is for youth hockey but most rulles are the same at all levels. Funny I remember the Woodtick crowd telling the Stillwater parents how to act after the first gam between the two teams. Coinsidence that both occasions involves the Woodbury team?

HappyHockeyFan wrote:My experience with Woodbury fans and players at my sons JR Gold games has not been good either. They whine alot and they had two players receive match penalties against us earlier this season, one for kicking our player when he was down on the ice and another for spearing our player in the gut at the final buzzer. It seems to me like its a bigger problem than just one incident at the FL/Woodbury game. Just sayin...