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4-2 at walter brown.

nehockey8 wrote:4-2 at walter brown.

You are welcome.

We don't mind sending one of our lower-ranked teams out east so that you can feel good about yourselves with an occasional win.

I believe that they trounced Mt. St. Charles Academy of Rhode Island 9-2 the night before.



Okay, I've had my jollies. No hard feelings.

Your post teaked my curiosity, so I did a google search and found a site for Massachusetts high school hockey (http://www.masshshockey.com). Very interesting. Massachusetts divides their high schools into four divisions as such:
Division 1 : 53 schools
Division 2 : 45 schools
Division 3 : 82 schools
Division 3A : 29 schools

Thus, there are 209 high schools playing ice hockey. Cool! Massachusetts certainly helps the USA produce ice hockey talent.

I noticed that Catholic Memorial is ranked #1 overall.

http://www.masshshockey.com/rankings.html

In last week's poll, the Academy of Holy Angels was only ranked 15th in Minnesota's AA division. I would argue that they are down a bit this year, and might not be as good as several A schools (St. Thomas Academy, Warroad, Breck, Hermantown, among others) and, thus, probably not even in the Top 20 of all Minnesota schools.

They were even beaten by White Bear Lake (unranked), a perennial under-achieving AA school, about whose discussions serve as comic relief on these Minnesota forums.

Anyway, thanks for posting. I like to hear about Eastern ice hockey.

I have not received my call from the team yet, but when I do I will post what happened. I am assuming that AHA was beat by the best HS team in Mass. Not a bad showing with a final of 4 - 2. Sounds like AHA is starting to play more like the team everyone expects, instead of the way they have played so far.

It's all about the sections. Remember when AHA were ranked in the top 5 all year then got beat in sections. After watching them against Edina and Mtka this looks like a team that can match up. The 3rd line is very young so maybe by March they will be more complete.

cm's talent has been going down rapidly the last few years bc of the amount of kids playing juniors or prep.. no longer are the best kids in the state going there.. They are not the best team in the state they have won most of their games by one goal against weak teams and have two losses and a tie..There are are plenty of teams worthy of the number one spot and i don't expect them to win states this year.. They have been ranked number 1 nationally many times however. Cm and holy angels played in 2002 the yr AHA won states and were trounced by cm who did not win states that yr in MA so it goes both ways. [/code]

nehockey8 wrote:cm's talent has been going down rapidly the last few years bc of the amount of kids playing juniors or prep.. no longer are the best kids in the state going there.. They are not the best team in the state they have won most of their games by one goal against weak teams and have two losses and a tie..There are are plenty of teams worthy of the number one spot and i don't expect them to win states this year.. They have been ranked number 1 nationally many times however. Cm and holy angels played in 2002 the yr AHA won states and were trounced by cm who did not win states that yr in MA so it goes both ways. [/code]

Except that if you follow the provided link they are ranked #1.

Teak wrote:

nehockey8 wrote:4-2 at walter brown.

You are welcome.

We don't mind sending one of our lower-ranked teams out east so that you can feel good about yourselves with an occasional win.

I believe that they trounced Mt. St. Charles Academy of Rhode Island 9-2 the night before.



Okay, I've had my jollies. No hard feelings.

Your post teaked my curiosity, so I did a google search and found a site for Massachusetts high school hockey (http://www.masshshockey.com). Very interesting. Massachusetts divides their high schools into four divisions as such:
Division 1 : 53 schools
Division 2 : 45 schools
Division 3 : 82 schools
Division 3A : 29 schools

Thus, there are 209 high schools playing ice hockey. Cool! Massachusetts certainly helps the USA produce ice hockey talent.

I noticed that Catholic Memorial is ranked #1 overall.

http://www.masshshockey.com/rankings.html

In last week's poll, the Academy of Holy Angels was only ranked 15th in Minnesota's AA division. I would argue that they are down a bit this year, and might not be as good as several A schools (St. Thomas Academy, Warroad, Breck, Hermantown, among others) and, thus, probably not even in the Top 20 of all Minnesota schools.

They were even beaten by White Bear Lake (unranked), a perennial under-achieving AA school, about whose discussions serve as comic relief on these Minnesota forums.

Anyway, thanks for posting. I like to hear about Eastern ice hockey.

You pretty much owned the original poster...but in a nice Midwestern way

Does the trip out east help our hurt AHA's seeding for regionals?

Z - your thoughts?

I would love to see minnetonka or edina go out east and destroy those teams

Gordon Bombay08 wrote:I would love to see minnetonka or edina go out east and destroy those teams

I'd like to see some those great teams come out here to Minnesota and see how they stand up.

defense wrote:

Gordon Bombay08 wrote:I would love to see minnetonka or edina go out east and destroy those teams

I'd like to see some those great teams come out here to Minnesota and see how they stand up.

With Minnesota's student sections, they wouldn't stand a chance!


@nehockey I'd like to see a link to show that this team was ranked #1 in the nation...I don't see how they could be if they beat and average Minnesota team 4-2 on home ice.

blueblood wrote:Does the trip out east help our hurt AHA's seeding for regionals?

Z - your thoughts?

I don't think it hurts them, but it does not help them.
AHA is kind of stuck because of the politics of the section. Neither Jefferson or Burnsville want to face Edina until the finals, so they use their powers to convince other coaches to vote them in to the fourth seed so AHA plays Edina. If AHA would have played outstanding this year and beat Edina, played tonka closer in each of the games and handles WBL and DE then I could see a chance that AHA ends up different.
Because they have a terrible conference I think it hurts more.
Right now as it stands the section will go down as this:
Edina
Jefferson
Burnsville
AHA
and the rest....

AS for the post about the teams coming out here. They do, every other year. MSC has come out here and embarrassed SSM 9 - 2 then the next night AHA handled them 7 - 4.
MSC that last couple of years has been down and the trip was a blow out by AHA and SSM. I do not think any of the other schools here would want to use a game to play one of these schools.

defense wrote:

Gordon Bombay08 wrote:I would love to see minnetonka or edina go out east and destroy those teams

I'd like to see some those great teams come out here to Minnesota and see how they stand up.

Yes, agreed. To see them stand up without using the boards, you know, like beginning skaters.



I am so mean. Sorry.

I think that it is pretty clear that Boston Catholic Memorial (BCM) is ranked #1 in Massachusetts out of the 209 schools playing ice hockey. And AHA went there and lost, but not too badly. Would BCM do as well, visiting Minnesota and playing two nights back-to-back?? Let's see, make that Duluth East on Friday night, in Duluth, and then Minnetonka on Saturday night, in Minnetonka.

Still, let's give them credit for producing some Olympians and NHLers. Not as many as Minnnesota (per capita), but it helps. And we're all Americans, right?

This years Olympic team has zero players from Massachusetts.

I do hope the rest of you realize that nehockey8 and gopherhockey89 are the same kid. They both keep calling the state tourney States.

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:I do hope the rest of you realize that nehockey8 and gopherhockey89 are the same kid. They both keep calling the state tourney States.

I noticed that as well...

blueblood wrote:Does the trip out east help our hurt AHA's seeding for regionals?

I thought there was a MSHSL rule with travel limitations for all schools, 600 miles round trips for out of state competition??

aha probably got a waiver to play. that's the power of knowing people....

I'd like to see Boston Catholic Memorial go to northern Minnesota. Play at Roseau, at Warroad, at Grand Rapids, at Duluth East. Then they would get a taste of real Minnesota hockey.

so i heard about this....

Let me explain some of the 1 thing I do know about, and a couple uncofirmed notes from other sources (Ive had a couple people tell me the same about point 2/3 - but havent had the time to investigate yet) ....

1 - all HS teams and programs (all sports) were given the opportunity to file a waiver and have out of state trips still approved. I havent heard of one being told no - since most of these trips are planned more than a year in advance - the MSHSL issued one year waivers for any school - as long as you filed the petition.

2 - I dont know how much stock to put into this...but i believe that program in MA is the most dominant one around -maybe comparible to our own SSM - many people send there players there because its the "only place to go if you want to play college hockey"... I'll take that with a grain of salt coming from one of my Boston coworkers from MA. However, he did say, a couple of his former collegaues did move to Boston from different NE areas so their kids could attend and play at that school.

3 - rumor has it - not confirmed, but that roster has 8 Division 1 commits on the team currently - no WCHA schools - only america east, etc... if it aint WCHA - is it really hockey???

again the only one that I know for certain is number 1 - any other takers??

watchingfromthestands wrote:so i heard about this....

Let me explain some of the 1 thing I do know about, and a couple uncofirmed notes from other sources (Ive had a couple people tell me the same about point 2/3 - but havent had the time to investigate yet) ....

1 - all HS teams and programs (all sports) were given the opportunity to file a waiver and have out of state trips still approved. I havent heard of one being told no - since most of these trips are planned more than a year in advance - the MSHSL issued one year waivers for any school - as long as you filed the petition.

2 - I dont know how much stock to put into this...but i believe that program in MA is the most dominant one around -maybe comparible to our own SSM - many people send there players there because its the "only place to go if you want to play college hockey"... I'll take that with a grain of salt coming from one of my Boston coworkers from MA. However, he did say, a couple of his former collegaues did move to Boston from different NE areas so their kids could attend and play at that school.

3 - rumor has it - not confirmed, but that roster has 8 Division 1 commits on the team currently - no WCHA schools - only america east, etc... if it aint WCHA - is it really hockey???

again the only one that I know for certain is number 1 - any other takers??

Not WCHA, not hockey? Are you kidding me?

starmvp wrote:

watchingfromthestands wrote:so i heard about this....

Let me explain some of the 1 thing I do know about, and a couple uncofirmed notes from other sources (Ive had a couple people tell me the same about point 2/3 - but havent had the time to investigate yet) ....

1 - all HS teams and programs (all sports) were given the opportunity to file a waiver and have out of state trips still approved. I havent heard of one being told no - since most of these trips are planned more than a year in advance - the MSHSL issued one year waivers for any school - as long as you filed the petition.

2 - I dont know how much stock to put into this...but i believe that program in MA is the most dominant one around -maybe comparible to our own SSM - many people send there players there because its the "only place to go if you want to play college hockey"... I'll take that with a grain of salt coming from one of my Boston coworkers from MA. However, he did say, a couple of his former collegaues did move to Boston from different NE areas so their kids could attend and play at that school.

3 - rumor has it - not confirmed, but that roster has 8 Division 1 commits on the team currently - no WCHA schools - only america east, etc... if it aint WCHA - is it really hockey???

again the only one that I know for certain is number 1 - any other takers??

Not WCHA, not hockey? Are you kidding me?

yes...it was sarcasm.... but a little Midwest elitest tint to it....

relax, quit trolling for an argument....

watchingfromthestands wrote:so i heard about this....

Let me explain some of the 1 thing I do know about, and a couple uncofirmed notes from other sources (Ive had a couple people tell me the same about point 2/3 - but havent had the time to investigate yet) ....

1 - all HS teams and programs (all sports) were given the opportunity to file a waiver and have out of state trips still approved. I havent heard of one being told no - since most of these trips are planned more than a year in advance - the MSHSL issued one year waivers for any school - as long as you filed the petition.

2 - I dont know how much stock to put into this...but i believe that program in MA is the most dominant one around -maybe comparible to our own SSM - many people send there players there because its the "only place to go if you want to play college hockey"... I'll take that with a grain of salt coming from one of my Boston coworkers from MA. However, he did say, a couple of his former collegaues did move to Boston from different NE areas so their kids could attend and play at that school.

3 - rumor has it - not confirmed, but that roster has 8 Division 1 commits on the team currently - no WCHA schools - only america east, etc... if it aint WCHA - is it really hockey???

again the only one that I know for certain is number 1 - any other takers??

#2 - Not even close. Look at two links:

NE Public High Schools Hockey Rankings:
http://www.ushsho.com/nengrank.htm

NE Prep School Hockey Rankings
http://www.ushsho.com/neprank.htm

They are apples and oranges...

Most of the good hockey players in New England (and from around the country) who want a great education combined with the best hockey do not play hockey in the New England public schools or Catholic prep school league (unlike MN).. they all go to the top prep schools where the combination of the best hockey is played and a top education is gained...

Holy Angels played a good Catholic prep school in the High School league in New England which IMHO would not have ranked in the top 10 in MN "AA" high school hockey. They did not play a top NE prep school which IMHO would have blown them back to Richfield... the closest analogy we have is "A" and "AA". They played a good "A" team...

The top NE preps schools are very deep... and often an alternative to the USHL for NE kids who don't want to blow off their education for 1-2 years and move to the midwest...

Zamman wrote: Because they have a terrible conference I think it hurts more.
Right now as it stands the section will go down as this:
Edina
Jefferson
Burnsville
AHA
and the rest....

AHA ties Edina in Edina, Edina gets #1 and AHA gets #4? If that happens, things are really messed up, especially if AHA finishes the year with 2 or less more losses while Jefferson and Burnsville lose/tie much lower ranked Lake teams....

HShockeywatcher wrote:

Zamman wrote: Because they have a terrible conference I think it hurts more.
Right now as it stands the section will go down as this:
Edina
Jefferson
Burnsville
AHA
and the rest....

AHA ties Edina in Edina, Edina gets #1 and AHA gets #4? If that happens, things are really messed up, especially if AHA finishes the year with 2 or less more losses while Jefferson and Burnsville lose/tie much lower ranked Lake teams....

I see it like this:
Edina
Holy Angels
Jefferson
Burnsville