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How will jefferson do this year coming off a great 26-2 season last year

Nodak Sioux wrote:How will jefferson do this year coming off a great 26-2 season last year

I think they'll do very well regardless, though they could potentially still lose some talent to Sioux Falls of the USHL. We're waiting for the Stampede to release their roster.

they arent losing anyone but they have to have depth if they are gunna be a contender.

Jefferson should be strong this year. They will come back strong after the disappoiting loss in the section final last year.

The baby blue will be stacked up front with one of the best lines in the state consisting of herbert, dietzler and knight. The D will be stingy up front with Faust and Pauluk. I guess the real question is whether or not ol' linquer can get his act together and actually do something with the talent he's got over there on the west side of Bloomington.

deanertronterry wrote:The baby blue will be stacked up front with one of the best lines in the state consisting of herbert, dietzler and knight. The D will be stingy up front with Faust and Pauluk. I guess the real question is whether or not ol' linquer can get his act together and actually do something with the talent he's got over there on the west side of Bloomington.

I think ol' linquer has done just fine with this group since the same group basically did nothing special through youth hockey. Were they not 27-2 last year...not bad in my book.

flatontheice wrote:

deanertronterry wrote:The baby blue will be stacked up front with one of the best lines in the state consisting of herbert, dietzler and knight. The D will be stingy up front with Faust and Pauluk. I guess the real question is whether or not ol' linquer can get his act together and actually do something with the talent he's got over there on the west side of Bloomington.

I think ol' linquer has done just fine with this group since the same group basically did nothing special through youth hockey. Were they not 27-2 last year...not bad in my book.

It isn't really the 'same' group from youth hockey. This group now includes several kids from Kennedy that were separate during youth hockey. If you took other teams and allowed them to combine two associations to create one H.S. team, I would guess they'd improve also.

However, I would agree that they should be good this year.

This group now includes several kids from Kennedy

and includes several from Washburn - including Knight.

they recruit as well as Breck

flatontheice wrote:

deanertronterry wrote:The baby blue will be stacked up front with one of the best lines in the state consisting of herbert, dietzler and knight. The D will be stingy up front with Faust and Pauluk. I guess the real question is whether or not ol' linquer can get his act together and actually do something with the talent he's got over there on the west side of Bloomington.

I think ol' linquer has done just fine with this group since the same group basically did nothing special through youth hockey. Were they not 27-2 last year...not bad in my book.

It's all about the W's in March and the hardware my friend.

hockeyboys wrote:

This group now includes several kids from Kennedy

and includes several from Washburn - including Knight.

they recruit as well as Breck

How many is several? You make it sound like the whole team is made up of old Kennedy and Washburn players.

My sources have said they are good but not quite as good as last year. Time will tell.

deanertronterry wrote:

flatontheice wrote:

deanertronterry wrote:The baby blue will be stacked up front with one of the best lines in the state consisting of herbert, dietzler and knight. The D will be stingy up front with Faust and Pauluk. I guess the real question is whether or not ol' linquer can get his act together and actually do something with the talent he's got over there on the west side of Bloomington.

I think ol' linquer has done just fine with this group since the same group basically did nothing special through youth hockey. Were they not 27-2 last year...not bad in my book.

It's all about the W's in March and the hardware my friend.

Thanks so much for your help...you offer such great insight on this site. (2 posts) so where does that put Urick, Giles, Morenville (sp?), and the other 125 coaches in minnesota that didn't win the state tournament? They must all be a bunch of idiots.

Definitely not "all" idiots but sometimes it's the players, sometimes the team chemistry, but sometimes the coaches do have to take a little responsibility if they can't get the kids (especially when they are fortunate enough to get the very talented ones in their community) to win in March when it counts. Look at HM - coaching was critical in the success they were able to have after the crazy season they had. Look at Moorhead - hard to say that coaching didn't factor into their win last March - coaches should get the credit when they deserve it but should also be willing to take some of the responsibility if they don't. Lots of factors though and on any given night, who knows what can happen. Bottom line the coaches aren't on the ice making the plays though, but there's no debating what a crucial factor they are in the success of their teams and what goes on all season buidling up to March is very important to their final outcome. It all begins at tryouts in Novemeber.

Frankly, the top coaches know what their players are doing all year. Conditioning, and year round development, play big roles when the season finally starts. Whichever coach has been working hardest, during the off season, will show very early in the season.

flatontheice wrote:

deanertronterry wrote:

flatontheice wrote: I think ol' linquer has done just fine with this group since the same group basically did nothing special through youth hockey. Were they not 27-2 last year...not bad in my book.

It's all about the W's in March and the hardware my friend.

Thanks so much for your help...you offer such great insight on this site. (2 posts) so where does that put Urick, Giles, Morenville (sp?), and the other 125 coaches in minnesota that didn't win the state tournament? They must all be a bunch of idiots.

Thank you for pointing out that my number of posts is directly correlated with my intelligence, as is yours. (618 posts.) You also did a great job of analyzing my comment. You nailed it. I definitely meant that every coach except EP's did a horrible job last year. Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.


What I was actually trying to say is that in the past 6 or 7 years that Lindquist has been at Jefferson, the team has had a tendency to under achieve come playoff time. Since 2003, they have been ranked in the top 3 in their section all but one year, including three number 1 seeds, only to have moved onto state once. That state trip included a disappointing loss to Holy Angels in the first round and a sixth place finish.

Jefferson has some really top notch talent coming back this year. They will not be as deep as last year but they will have more firepower. All I was saying, was that I would like to see if Lindquist can rally the troops and put together a state run this year.

deanertronterry wrote:

flatontheice wrote:

deanertronterry wrote: It's all about the W's in March and the hardware my friend.

Thanks so much for your help...you offer such great insight on this site. (2 posts) so where does that put Urick, Giles, Morenville (sp?), and the other 125 coaches in minnesota that didn't win the state tournament? They must all be a bunch of idiots.

Thank you for pointing out that my number of posts is directly correlated with my intelligence, as is yours. (618 posts.) You also did a great job of analyzing my comment. You nailed it. I definitely meant that every coach except EP's did a horrible job last year. Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.


What I was actually trying to say is that in the past 6 or 7 years that Lindquist has been at Jefferson, the team has had a tendency to under achieve come playoff time. Since 2003, they have been ranked in the top 3 in their section all but one year, including three number 1 seeds, only to have moved onto state once. That state trip included a disappointing loss to Holy Angels in the first round and a sixth place finish.

Jefferson has some really top notch talent coming back this year. They will not be as deep as last year but they will have more firepower. All I was saying, was that I would like to see if Lindquist can rally the troops and put together a state run this year.

Funny you should bring that up. Minnetonka actually had way more talent the past 6 years and they have done nothing. The coach you should really be throwing under the bus using your line of thinking is Centennial. What happens to the Centennial talent every year from Pee/Wee and Bantams to high school? #2 seed in sections 5 of last 6 years and only one state tournament appearance.

And actually the team that has underachieved the most in that section over the last 5 years is Holy Angles..ever since they got totally out coached by the Great Finn...they have been a 1-3 seed every year and have done nothing. Sound like you may have a kid that has gotten cut or some other axe to grind..if it is who i think it is, good luck at Holy Angels...and good riddance. The average height over there is soon gonna be under 5'6" anyway so you will fit right in.

flatontheice wrote:Funny you should bring that up. Minnetonka actually had way more talent the past 6 years and they have done nothing. The coach you should really be throwing under the bus using your line of thinking is Centennial. What happens to the Centennial talent every year from Pee/Wee and Bantams to high school? #2 seed in sections 5 of last 6 years and only one state tournament appearance.

And actually the team that has underachieved the most in that section over the last 5 years is Holy Angles..ever since they got totally out coached by the Great Finn...they have been a 1-3 seed every year and have done nothing. Sound like you may have a kid that has gotten cut or some other axe to grind..if it is who i think it is, good luck at Holy Angels...and good riddance. The average height over there is soon gonna be under 5'6" anyway so you will fit right in.

You are right. No arguing that Tonka, AHA and Centennial have all under achieved as well, but since this is a thread about the Jefferson team I thought I would focus more on their short comings and potential as opposed to that of their opponents.

Not really sure who you're assuming I am. Don't know where you got the Holy Angels connection and this axe I have to grind. I can assure that you are incorrect on all counts.

None the less, Jefferson, Edina and AHA should all be atop the section once again. It will definitely be an interesting section tourney.

flatontheice wrote:

deanertronterry wrote:

flatontheice wrote: Thanks so much for your help...you offer such great insight on this site. (2 posts) so where does that put Urick, Giles, Morenville (sp?), and the other 125 coaches in minnesota that didn't win the state tournament? They must all be a bunch of idiots.

Thank you for pointing out that my number of posts is directly correlated with my intelligence, as is yours. (618 posts.) You also did a great job of analyzing my comment. You nailed it. I definitely meant that every coach except EP's did a horrible job last year. Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.


What I was actually trying to say is that in the past 6 or 7 years that Lindquist has been at Jefferson, the team has had a tendency to under achieve come playoff time. Since 2003, they have been ranked in the top 3 in their section all but one year, including three number 1 seeds, only to have moved onto state once. That state trip included a disappointing loss to Holy Angels in the first round and a sixth place finish.

Jefferson has some really top notch talent coming back this year. They will not be as deep as last year but they will have more firepower. All I was saying, was that I would like to see if Lindquist can rally the troops and put together a state run this year.

Funny you should bring that up. Minnetonka actually had way more talent the past 6 years and they have done nothing. The coach you should really be throwing under the bus using your line of thinking is Centennial. What happens to the Centennial talent every year from Pee/Wee and Bantams to high school? #2 seed in sections 5 of last 6 years and only one state tournament appearance.

And actually the team that has underachieved the most in that section over the last 5 years is Holy Angles..ever since they got totally out coached by the Great Finn...they have been a 1-3 seed every year and have done nothing. Sound like you may have a kid that has gotten cut or some other axe to grind..if it is who i think it is, good luck at Holy Angels...and good riddance. The average height over there is soon gonna be under 5'6" anyway so you will fit right in.

Actually, my first guess on a person's identity when he's hacking at a particular coach, is that either he (or his son) played or plays for the coach he's taking shots at. This has been the case on too many occasions to discount.

Lee

east hockey wrote:

flatontheice wrote:

deanertronterry wrote: Thank you for pointing out that my number of posts is directly correlated with my intelligence, as is yours. (618 posts.) You also did a great job of analyzing my comment. You nailed it. I definitely meant that every coach except EP's did a horrible job last year. Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.


What I was actually trying to say is that in the past 6 or 7 years that Lindquist has been at Jefferson, the team has had a tendency to under achieve come playoff time. Since 2003, they have been ranked in the top 3 in their section all but one year, including three number 1 seeds, only to have moved onto state once. That state trip included a disappointing loss to Holy Angels in the first round and a sixth place finish.

Jefferson has some really top notch talent coming back this year. They will not be as deep as last year but they will have more firepower. All I was saying, was that I would like to see if Lindquist can rally the troops and put together a state run this year.

Funny you should bring that up. Minnetonka actually had way more talent the past 6 years and they have done nothing. The coach you should really be throwing under the bus using your line of thinking is Centennial. What happens to the Centennial talent every year from Pee/Wee and Bantams to high school? #2 seed in sections 5 of last 6 years and only one state tournament appearance.

And actually the team that has underachieved the most in that section over the last 5 years is Holy Angles..ever since they got totally out coached by the Great Finn...they have been a 1-3 seed every year and have done nothing. Sound like you may have a kid that has gotten cut or some other axe to grind..if it is who i think it is, good luck at Holy Angels...and good riddance. The average height over there is soon gonna be under 5'6" anyway so you will fit right in.

Actually, my first guess on a person's identity when he's hacking at a particular coach, is that either he (or his son) played or plays for the coach he's taking shots at. This has been the case on too many occasions to discount.

Lee

I imagine there is usually some sort of irony associated with a coaching dis

breakout wrote:

east hockey wrote:

flatontheice wrote: Funny you should bring that up. Minnetonka actually had way more talent the past 6 years and they have done nothing. The coach you should really be throwing under the bus using your line of thinking is Centennial. What happens to the Centennial talent every year from Pee/Wee and Bantams to high school? #2 seed in sections 5 of last 6 years and only one state tournament appearance.

And actually the team that has underachieved the most in that section over the last 5 years is Holy Angles..ever since they got totally out coached by the Great Finn...they have been a 1-3 seed every year and have done nothing. Sound like you may have a kid that has gotten cut or some other axe to grind..if it is who i think it is, good luck at Holy Angels...and good riddance. The average height over there is soon gonna be under 5'6" anyway so you will fit right in.

Actually, my first guess on a person's identity when he's hacking at a particular coach, is that either he (or his son) played or plays for the coach he's taking shots at. This has been the case on too many occasions to discount.

Lee

I imagine there is usually some sort of irony associated with a coaching dis

I think it comes with the territory of coaching such a good program.

as far as the underachieving of the team, deanertronterry who may not have many posts does make a valid point, your telling me that it was the kids talent or attitude at fault when they completely sucked it up against AHA, a team with the likes of Brian Connelly (chicago blackhawk), Matt Overman (colorado college), Josh Levine (Princton), Balyor Dieter (Mankato State), Austin Lee (Mankato State), not to mention players like jordan wild, Ben Roberts and mark norwich, it seems a little far fetched that it was all on the players. You've also had countless more good players on these teams in the past seven years LaBombadard (Gustavus) and Tommy O' Donnel (St. Thomas) and they all don't even have a state appearance to speak of, its also hard to believe that over seven years it was solely the players short comings that lost them these chances over what 80 players, it sounds to me like when you get numbers that big there has to be other figures.
Another point would be if your accrediting these high percentage win seasons on the coaching how can you blame the players for the downfalls? Maybe a season or two but 7, that wouldn't hold much water in a statistics class. Finally, you say that he may be one disgruntled player or parent on the team knocking the coach that may have done somthing to him but have you ever heard of someone happy with the situation? I would assume that in "such a good program" as you called it there would be evidence or praise or happiness with said coaching but i see no proof of this. SO what you have is a botched argument and no solid facts or proof about any of the accusations you made and also as far as the team goes if they recruit then they obviously must be doing something right because they have talent...what did kennedy or washburn have to offer? Should someone like deitzler or pauluk be hurt in their athletic careers because of the bounds of where they live?

observer wrote:Frankly, the top coaches know what their players are doing all year. Conditioning, and year round development, play big roles when the season finally starts. Whichever coach has been working hardest, during the off season, will show very early in the season.

Absolutely agree - thanks for the correction. The off season is very important and coaches should be instrumental in working with their players. Too many run their summer clinics (collect the big checks) but don't give the players real sound advise on conditioning, etc. My other pet peeve is the coaches that don't help the kids pursue their careers after HS is over. If they are in it for the right reasons, I think they would care more about the advantages and opportunities the kids have when they leave their program and make some calls on their behalf. I've heard many of the great coaches go above and beyond for their players. How does Jefferson rate in this area?

Some thoughts on Lindquist and Jefferson:

Whether in Section 2 or 6, the Jaguars have spent most of the past decade in the state's least forgiving section. The road to State didn't go through Eden Prairie, Edina, or other schools with roughly double their enrollment in the 90s.

Lindquist faces the unenviable task of succeeding one of the state's most successful coaches--one whose record probably stacks up as the second-greatest ever.

While I don't know the details of the Jefferson situation, I'm sure the pipeline is not as strong as was in the early-to-mid 90s.

People like to blame coaches for problems that are beyond any one person's control.

With all that said, 2AA is Jefferson's to lose in 09-10. With the end of the Edina mini-dynasty of the past 3 years, this is a huge opportunity to jump into the vacuum.

hiddenman wrote:as far as the underachieving of the team, deanertronterry who may not have many posts does make a valid point, your telling me that it was the kids talent or attitude at fault when they completely sucked it up against AHA, a team with the likes of Brian Connelly (chicago blackhawk), Matt Overman (colorado college), Josh Levine (Princton), Balyor Dieter (Mankato State), Austin Lee (Mankato State), not to mention players like jordan wild, Ben Roberts and mark norwich, it seems a little far fetched that it was all on the players. You've also had countless more good players on these teams in the past seven years LaBombadard (Gustavus) and Tommy O' Donnel (St. Thomas) and they all don't even have a state appearance to speak of, its also hard to believe that over seven years it was solely the players short comings that lost them these chances over what 80 players, it sounds to me like when you get numbers that big there has to be other figures.
Another point would be if your accrediting these high percentage win seasons on the coaching how can you blame the players for the downfalls? Maybe a season or two but 7, that wouldn't hold much water in a statistics class. Finally, you say that he may be one disgruntled player or parent on the team knocking the coach that may have done somthing to him but have you ever heard of someone happy with the situation? I would assume that in "such a good program" as you called it there would be evidence or praise or happiness with said coaching but i see no proof of this. SO what you have is a botched argument and no solid facts or proof about any of the accusations you made and also as far as the team goes if they recruit then they obviously must be doing something right because they have talent...what did kennedy or washburn have to offer? Should someone like deitzler or pauluk be hurt in their athletic careers because of the bounds of where they live?

I don't think they sucked against AHA in that game. Score was 3-2. I think they outshot them by a large margin and ran into a hot goalie..AHA was outshot in every game in the state tournament that year and won it. The coach cant go out and put the puck in the net himself.

karl(east) wrote:Some thoughts on Lindquist and Jefferson:

Whether in Section 2 or 6, the Jaguars have spent most of the past decade in the state's least forgiving section. The road to State didn't go through Eden Prairie, Edina, or other schools with roughly double their enrollment in the 90s.

Lindquist faces the unenviable task of succeeding one of the state's most successful coaches--one whose record probably stacks up as the second-greatest ever.

While I don't know the details of the Jefferson situation, I'm sure the pipeline is not as strong as was in the early-to-mid 90s.

People like to blame coaches for problems that are beyond any one person's control.

With all that said, 2AA is Jefferson's to lose in 09-10. With the end of the Edina mini-dynasty of the past 3 years, this is a huge opportunity to jump into the vacuum.

You bring up good points.