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Class A tournament seeds

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:03 pm
by warriors41
Now that the tournament is jsut about set, how will the seeds end up. I think it will end up like this.

1. Little Falls
2. SCC
3. Breck
4. Warroad

Re: Class A tournament seeds

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:04 pm
by SCSUHOCKEYFAN15
warriors41 wrote:Now that the tournament is jsut about set, how will the seeds end up. I think it will end up like this.

1. Little Falls
2. SCC
3. Breck
4. Warroad
WOW Warroad has to be pretty happy right about now.

Re: Class A tournament seeds

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:05 pm
by warriors41
SCSUHOCKEYFAN15 wrote:
warriors41 wrote:Now that the tournament is jsut about set, how will the seeds end up. I think it will end up like this.

1. Little Falls
2. SCC
3. Breck
4. Warroad
WOW Warroad has to be pretty happy right about now.
I would imagine so

Re: Class A tournament seeds

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:19 pm
by defense
warriors41 wrote:Now that the tournament is jsut about set, how will the seeds end up. I think it will end up like this.

1. Little Falls
2. SCC
3. Breck
4. Warroad
Yep, that's about right.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:24 pm
by Teak
With STA out of the X this year (thank you Mahtomedi!!), this will be a very interesting A tourney.

But, I would rank Warroad #2 in the seeding given their near-perfect season (only two losses). Here's my guess, but I am somewhat ignorant:

1. Little Falls
2. Warroad
3. Breck
4. Mahtomedi

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:32 pm
by mikemodano09
1. Small Falls
2. SCC
3. Breck
4. Warroad

Hopefully Small Falls gets Mahtomedi :D

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:33 pm
by hockeypuck51
With STA out of the X this year (thank you Mahtomedi!!), this will be a very interesting A tourney.

But, I would rank Warroad #2 in the seeding given their near-perfect season (only two losses). Here's my guess, but I am somewhat ignornant:

1. Little Falls
2. Warroad
3. Breck
4. Mahtomedi
I think Warroad is a nice choice but one of the 2 losses came to a team in the field. The #2 goes to Cathedral.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:44 pm
by SCSUHOCKEYFAN15
mikemodano09 wrote:1. Small Falls
2. SCC
3. Breck
4. Warroad

Hopefully Small Falls gets Mahtomedi :D
I would not be surprised :roll:

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:56 pm
by HShockeywatcher
Mahtomedi beat Breck, STA and SSP. They have had a couple questionable losses, but they have a very good all around schedule and have wins others don't have. Not sure where I'd put them, but they are definitely a top team and if they don't get seeded I wouldn't want to be the team matched up with them.

My top 4:
1. Little Falls
2. Cathedral
3. Warroad
4. Mahtomedi/Breck toss up

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:20 pm
by elliott70
The numbers 1 to 4 mean nothing except what time you play.

Little Falls, Breck, Warroad, St Cloud Cathedral and Mahtomedi all have a shot at it.

Virginia and Lourdes may sneak in if the coahces try to position themselves.

3A - nope.

But my guess is Little Falls (undefeated), Warroad (only 2 losses, tradition), St Cloud Cathedral (another good record), and Mahtomedi (good wins and beat teh defending champs).

That leaves Breck out of the mix, but so what.
There are 7 good teams. Being one of the four gets you a shot at an easier quarterfinal. But who wants Breck, Lourdes, or Virginia in their first game.

It should be a great tournament.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:20 pm
by HSH1212
I know there are only 4 teams seeded, but let me rank the top 8 in my opinion, and then the top 4 the way they should be seeded.

My opinion
1) Warroad
2) St. Cloud Cathedral
3) Little Falls
4) Breck
5) Mahtomedi
6) Rochester Lourdes
7) Virginia
8) Hutchinson

What they should be seeded (I think records, and head to head should determine seedings regardless of what other rankings say, and me)
1) Little Falls
2) St. Cloud Cathedral
3) Warroad
4) Breck

Here's how I think they will be seeded tommorow
1) Little Falls
2) Warroad
3) St. Cloud Cathedral
4) Breck

Best first round matchup: Virginia vs Warroad

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:24 pm
by SCSUHOCKEYFAN15
SCC beat Warroad and head to head means just about everything. Sorry to say warroad will not be the #2 seed.

The only gimmy quarterfinal game is whoever plays hutch.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:26 pm
by elliott70
HSH1212 wrote:I know there are only 4 teams seeded, but let me rank the top 8 in my opinion, and then the top 4 the way they should be seeded.

My opinion
1) Warroad
2) St. Cloud Cathedral
3) Little Falls
4) Breck
5) Mahtomedi
6) Rochester Lourdes
7) Virginia
8) Hutchinson

What they should be seeded (I think records, and head to head should determine seedings regardless of what other rankings say, and me)
1) Little Falls
2) St. Cloud Cathedral
3) Warroad
4) Breck

Here's how I think they will be seeded tommorow
1) Little Falls
2) Warroad
3) St. Cloud Cathedral
4) Warroad
Best first round matchup: Virginia vs Warroad

Better edit your post.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:27 pm
by warriors41
for my own biased reasons i really hope Warroad gets Hutchinson in the first round.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:28 pm
by elliott70
SCSUHOCKEYFAN15 wrote:SCC beat Warroad and head to head means just about everything. Sorry to say warroad will not be the #2 seed.

The only gimmy quarterfinal game is whoever plays hutch.
Head to head, records, etc....

....they mean nothing, coaches vote.

1 to 7 leave your own team off....
tabulated and announce the first 4, draw 4 and that's that.

Buit again when you seed 1-4 and not 5-8; the numbers 1-4 mean nothing.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:30 pm
by elliott70
warriors41 wrote:for my own biased reasons i really hope Warroad gets Hutchinson in the first round.
I hope Warroad gets SCC in the first round game.
It would be significantly different this time.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:30 pm
by SCSUHOCKEYFAN15
elliott70 wrote:
SCSUHOCKEYFAN15 wrote:SCC beat Warroad and head to head means just about everything. Sorry to say warroad will not be the #2 seed.

The only gimmy quarterfinal game is whoever plays hutch.
Head to head, records, etc....

....they mean nothing, coaches vote.

1 to 7 leave your own team off....
tabulated and announce the first 4, draw 4 and that's that.

Buit again when you seed 1-4 and not 5-8; the numbers 1-4 mean nothing.

Ok so what do you think the Coaches are thinking about when they are voting???

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:30 pm
by warriors41
elliott70 wrote:
SCSUHOCKEYFAN15 wrote:SCC beat Warroad and head to head means just about everything. Sorry to say warroad will not be the #2 seed.

The only gimmy quarterfinal game is whoever plays hutch.
Head to head, records, etc....

....they mean nothing, coaches vote.

1 to 7 leave your own team off....
tabulated and announce the first 4, draw 4 and that's that.

Buit again when you seed 1-4 and not 5-8; the numbers 1-4 mean nothing.
Yeah but those head to head meetings, records, etc all influence how a caoch will vote. I would imagine that the SCC would vote Little Falls ahead of Warroad cause Little beat SCC and SCC beat Warroad

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:33 pm
by warriors41
elliott70 wrote:
warriors41 wrote:for my own biased reasons i really hope Warroad gets Hutchinson in the first round.
I hope Warroad gets SCC in the first round game.
It would be significantly different this time.
I don't think that will be possible since both teams should get seeded. I owuld like to see them play sometime in the tournament. Then after taht play Little Falls so Sylvester could play his old team

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:33 pm
by HSH1212
elliott70 wrote:
SCSUHOCKEYFAN15 wrote:SCC beat Warroad and head to head means just about everything. Sorry to say warroad will not be the #2 seed.

The only gimmy quarterfinal game is whoever plays hutch.
Head to head, records, etc....

....they mean nothing, coaches vote.

1 to 7 leave your own team off....
tabulated and announce the first 4, draw 4 and that's that.

Buit again when you seed 1-4 and not 5-8; the numbers 1-4 mean nothing.
I wouldn't be suprised to see coaches manipulating seeds. For example, the biggest question will be: Who will 2 and 3rd seed? It could be Cathedral, or Warroad. I could see both coaches voting eachother 2-3/7 to hopefully help themselves.

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:34 pm
by warriors41
HSH1212 wrote:
elliott70 wrote:
SCSUHOCKEYFAN15 wrote:SCC beat Warroad and head to head means just about everything. Sorry to say warroad will not be the #2 seed.

The only gimmy quarterfinal game is whoever plays hutch.
Head to head, records, etc....

....they mean nothing, coaches vote.

1 to 7 leave your own team off....
tabulated and announce the first 4, draw 4 and that's that.

Buit again when you seed 1-4 and not 5-8; the numbers 1-4 mean nothing.
I wouldn't be suprised to see coaches manipulating seeds. For example, the biggest question will be: Who will 2 and 3rd seed? It could be Cathedral, or Warroad. I could see both coaches voting eachother 2-3/7 to hopefully help themselves.
I would hope that the coaches have more integrity than to do this. Vote them as they should be

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:38 pm
by The Talon
Here are mine:

1. Little Falls
2. Breck
3. SCC
4. Warroad

PS-Lourdes beat SCC but lost to Breck--where should they go? :shock:

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:39 pm
by hshckfan08
Ha STA lost!!! Sorry i havent looked at the game thread but im kinda stunned! :shock:

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:43 pm
by warriors41
The Talon wrote:Here are mine:

1. Little Falls
2. Breck
3. SCC
4. Warroad

PS-Lourdes beat SCC but lost to Breck--where should they go? :shock:
In the 5-8 lottery draw

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:56 pm
by elliott70
warriors41 wrote:
HSH1212 wrote:
elliott70 wrote: Head to head, records, etc....

....they mean nothing, coaches vote.

1 to 7 leave your own team off....
tabulated and announce the first 4, draw 4 and that's that.

Buit again when you seed 1-4 and not 5-8; the numbers 1-4 mean nothing.
I wouldn't be suprised to see coaches manipulating seeds. For example, the biggest question will be: Who will 2 and 3rd seed? It could be Cathedral, or Warroad. I could see both coaches voting eachother 2-3/7 to hopefully help themselves.
I would hope that the coaches have more integrity than to do this. Vote them as they should be
But what should it be?
Everything is subjective.
Virginia lost by 1 to Little Falls, so if Little Falls is #1, you cna justify Virginia at #2.
Breck has a good record and played some tough teams earlier on, maybe they are #1.
Warroad has history and two losses to quality teams onthe road. #1?
You can use just about anything to justify it.

As an example, as the coach of a top team, I have played some of these teams, I have played teams that have played all these teams. We had kids out for this game, our goalie played poorly in this game, the D looked weak for this team when I saw them play in December.

You beat me, they beat you, I beat them, you think they are going to do that?

If I am a coach I look at Little Falls and say, undefeated but not a tough game every Tuesday and Thursday, but the first line and Hanowski, but they just got by Alex and we are 3 goals better than Alex... hmm, maybe they are #2 and they beat SCC so SCC is 3. Mahtomedi beat #STA so maybe, but they had some bad games, so I am going with Breck as #1 and then Virginia at #4 because the northern teams have tough games all the time and tehy are a pretty balacned team.

There is no perfect system, because teams change over the season for a variety of reasons.

Personally, right now, I think Warroad is the best A team and Mahtomedi is right behind them. I would not want to play Virginia in the first round because they are playing very well right now.

But Breck, SCC, and Little Falls are great teams. And then you have Lourdes.

So what differecne does it make.

Go win 3 games then we know.