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How many times can a goalie move the net during play before a delay of game penalty should be called?

I saw a game last night, where every time the goalie slid side-to-side, he would slide into the pipe and move the net. I would love to see the posts go deeper into the ice to prevent this non-sense.

Your thoughts?

I remember a game a few years ago when it was mayo-jm and mayo kept getting chances down in the jm end and every time it would seem that the net would just happen to come off....i beleve mayo lost that game like 2-1 but i beleve that if it becomes consistant that the refs should call a penalty r something along that line.....

BodyShots wrote:How many times can a goalie move the net during play before a delay of game penalty should be called?

I saw a game last night, where every time the goalie slid side-to-side, he would slide into the pipe and move the net. I would love to see the posts go deeper into the ice to prevent this non-sense.

Your thoughts?

I agree that it is frustrating when goalies deliberately knock the net off. It usually happens when there is intense pressure in the zone and takes away chances for scoring and, more importantly, excitement for the fans. My feeling is that refs should give warnings and then call a penalty when it becomes evident that it is happening to often and with deliberate intentions. Most coaches can see it when it is obvious and so do the fans so you know it must be somewhat obvious to the refs as well.

However, I don't like the idea of having posts go deeper. I have seen many players flying at full speed into the pipe and the idea of having more resistance when they hit it would not be good. Injuries would increase and there is no need to have more injuries just to solve a problem that can be handled by refs (and goalies) being more aware of knocking the net off.

I think they should mandate a change to the rubber stoppers during games that most College and Professional teams now do...they require a little more work during intermission, but it is so much more effective, because the net will never be slightly off, if it gets nudged it will just move right back in.

The Problem with calling a penalty however is it is a judgement call, one ref will call it more then another.

Seen as you are a WBL fan and have been to every game this year, you must be talking about thier game last night?

Don't recall a huge number of times the net was off by just the goalies movement alone. Maybe 2-3 but nothing that looked intentional

Rossbury21 wrote:I think they should mandate a change to the rubber stoppers during games that most College and Professional teams now do...they require a little more work during intermission, but it is so much more effective, because the net will never be slightly off, if it gets nudged it will just move right back in.

The Problem with calling a penalty however is it is a judgement call, one ref will call it more then another.

Isn't every penalty a judgement call?

youngblood08 wrote:Seen as you are a WBL fan and have been to every game this year, you must be talking about thier game last night?

Don't recall a huge number of times the net was off by just the goalies movement alone. Maybe 2-3 but nothing that looked intentional

There wasn't too much net movement. As you said, it happened about 3 times. However, each one was clearly intentional.

Rossbury21 wrote:I think they should mandate a change to the rubber stoppers during games that most College and Professional teams now do...they require a little more work during intermission, but it is so much more effective, because the net will never be slightly off, if it gets nudged it will just move right back in.

The Problem with calling a penalty however is it is a judgement call, one ref will call it more then another.

A lot of rinks cannot change to the rubber pegs. That would mean drilling holes in concrete, which would cause stress fractures in the flooring. In our rink we have a sand floor and the holes would just keep expanding or cave in. Not to mention that our pipes are just below the ice surface.

Another point should be that people need to properly peg nets after the ice is made. I see most rinks and players kneel down and bang the peg into the ice then set the net on top of it. I was taught many years ago to take the peg, lift the net, set the peg in the pipe and drop the net. That causes enough pressure to sink the spike and the end of the peg. i do not see many nets moving off when this is done.

The refs were to busy watching the WBL hacks dive tackle the players already down on the ice. Like the one #7 performed in the 2nd period and that wasn't the only time it was performed.

Zamman wrote: A lot of rinks cannot change to the rubber pegs. That would mean drilling holes in concrete, which would cause stress fractures in the flooring. In our rink we have a sand floor and the holes would just keep expanding or cave in. Not to mention that our pipes are just below the ice surface.

Are you thinking about the bigger pegs that they have at places like the Ex? There is a type that is smaller and can be drilled into only the ice...they have them here at BSU's rink and they work very well. Then after the games they can use the metal pegs for practice.

BodyShots wrote:How many times can a goalie move the net during play before a delay of game penalty should be called?

I saw a game last night, where every time the goalie slid side-to-side, he would slide into the pipe and move the net. I would love to see the posts go deeper into the ice to prevent this non-sense.

Your thoughts?

Safety issues is one of the main reasons the longer post was eliminated.

Former Hill-Murray defenseman Ben Belde was injured badly as a freshman at the U of M ('80-81 season) due to the longer posts.

BodyShots wrote:How many times can a goalie move the net during play before a delay of game penalty should be called?

I saw a game last night, where every time the goalie slid side-to-side, he would slide into the pipe and move the net. I would love to see the posts go deeper into the ice to prevent this non-sense.

Your thoughts?

When a goalie makes a pad slide, he will often use the post to stop his momentum while still keeping the pad flat on the ice. This stops him from overplaying the shooter and opening up the back side. If the net isn't pegged properly, it comes off. There are many things in the game that cause a stoppage. This just happens to be one of them. . .

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the tender shouldn't get penalized if he does the Turco shoulder shrug, but come on, if he is making a full speed move on the ice in response to a play, get over it!

youngblood08 wrote:Seen as you are a WBL fan and have been to every game this year, you must be talking about thier game last night?

Don't recall a huge number of times the net was off by just the goalies movement alone. Maybe 2-3 but nothing that looked intentional

except all three times the puck was being batted around in front of the net and WB was about to score...its BS I say. at least one would have made its way in if it wasnt for Stillwaters goalie "accidentally" running into the posts

I see a lot of good comments and suggestions offered.

1. I realize the change was made for safety and I agree with that.
2. I am not saying this only happened last night. I see this same issue at all of the games and our goalie included
3. I just think there should be some kind of process/order adheared to by the official. 1st time - no comment, 2nd time - a warning, 3rd time - a penalty

Lets admit that hockey is at its most exciting time when a team puts a lot of pressue in the offenseive zone and creates many scoring opportunities. I am just frustrated that this excitement get killed by a net being dislodged from its proper location. If a skater does it, that is one thing, but when the goaltender does it repeatedly with just a slide across the crease, then that has be be dealt with by the officiating, or some other method for securing the nets.

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Former Hill-Murray defenseman Ben Belde was injured badly as a freshman at the U of M ('80-81 season) due to the longer posts.[/quote]

Who incidentally, I saw at the WBL/Stillwater game. His son is a 10th grade defenseman for Stillwater JV, and plays similar as Ben in skating ability, just not the toughness. Ben and I went to grade school together, and Ben and Coach Tim Sager for WBL were rivals and stud players in the Catholic Athletic Association in the day. Just some trivia.

Goldfishdude wrote:[
Former Hill-Murray defenseman Ben Belde was injured badly as a freshman at the U of M ('80-81 season) due to the longer posts.

Who incidentally, I saw at the WBL/Stillwater game. His son is a 10th grade defenseman for Stillwater JV, and plays similar as Ben in skating ability, just not the toughness. Ben and I went to grade school together, and Ben and Coach Tim Sager for WBL were rivals and stud players in the Catholic Athletic Association in the day. Just some trivia.[/quote]

Cracker Jack is right up their with Sid Hartman. Everybody is a close personal friend.

I just think refs need to watch this more closely, the same as they would interference or holding out front. If the puck is in front of the net and the net keeps popping off they need to pay attention.

The last game I was at the net had to get knocked off around 8 times for the one team and zero for the other. Just so happens it was on a break away, puck in front of the net, or a rebound.

But as was stated earlier, there has to be a regard for saftey. I don't think longer posts is the answer for saftey reasons, it just needs to be closely watched to see if the goal is getting knocked off intentially.

Body Shots?? You can't get the scoops without getting close to the team.... It's almost like trying to hang with the band, but ya gotta bring your own pink guitar

This isn't necessarily a goalie issue. With the way the game has developed and strength of goalies the midget pegs are not sufficient anymore.

Back in the days of the fat kid playing goalie they worked fine. Today's tenders are much stronger and push harder then ever before. USA hockey and other need to look at a new style of peg.

This is also an issue at Pee Wee's and Bantam's.

I have seen you shoot the puck, Mr. McSorely... In your case, it's the goalies trying to dive out of the way of your booming slapshot which knocks the posts off!!!

youngblood08 wrote:The refs were to busy watching the WBL hacks dive tackle the players already down on the ice. Like the one #7 performed in the 2nd period and that wasn't the only time it was performed.

you can quit bashin #7 already youngblood... we know it was a cheap hit but it was on of about 1,000 cheap hits by both teams in that game.. give it a rest.. this is boys hockey, you gotta be able to take a hit, it wasnt even that hard of a hit.

BodyShots wrote:How many times can a goalie move the net during play before a delay of game penalty should be called?

I saw a game last night, where every time the goalie slid side-to-side, he would slide into the pipe and move the net. I would love to see the posts go deeper into the ice to prevent this non-sense.

Your thoughts?

It sure is convenient on a breakaway for the goalie to get "completely deaked" out of his pads so much that some how he ends up sliding backwards on his stomach and his foot just happens to hit the post knocking the goal off before the puck is fired over him into the net..........
when the would be goal scorer is still at the top of the circles.......

It's tough to question whether the net coming off is intentional or unintentional at times. I think if it happens when a team is putting on constant pressure, then there should be a first warning. Then if it happens again in a simular situation. Then a delay of game penalty should be called on the goaltender. In regards to the WBL vs Stillwater game last night. I saw the net bumped off twice by the Stillwater goalie, with the second time coming when the Bears were putting on alot of pressure. I don't want to be one to accuse, but It seemed like that was intentional from what I saw. I'm not one to make excuses, but those nets always seem to come off alot easier when one team is putting on alot of offensive pressure

WBLHOCKEYFAN quit bashing the STillwater goalie. This is BOYS hockey you have to be able to handle a whistle or the net moving. Give it a rest already.

Zamman wrote:

Rossbury21 wrote:I think they should mandate a change to the rubber stoppers during games that most College and Professional teams now do...they require a little more work during intermission, but it is so much more effective, because the net will never be slightly off, if it gets nudged it will just move right back in.

The Problem with calling a penalty however is it is a judgement call, one ref will call it more then another.

A lot of rinks cannot change to the rubber pegs. That would mean drilling holes in concrete, which would cause stress fractures in the flooring. In our rink we have a sand floor and the holes would just keep expanding or cave in. Not to mention that our pipes are just below the ice surface.

Another point should be that people need to properly peg nets after the ice is made. I see most rinks and players kneel down and bang the peg into the ice then set the net on top of it. I was taught many years ago to take the peg, lift the net, set the peg in the pipe and drop the net. That causes enough pressure to sink the spike and the end of the peg. i do not see many nets moving off when this is done.

interesting point, i didnt know this