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Minnesota made squirt tourney results
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:44 pm
by Judgeandjury
How did the first Minnesota made tourney go?
Re: Minnesota made squirt tourney results
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 5:51 am
by Judgeandjury
Judgeandjury wrote:How did the first Minnesota made tourney go?
What teams played in this squirt tourney? My buddy said one game they changed goalies half way through to make the game fair. Is this legal in Minnesota sanctioned squirt hockey? Do all the squirt teams in Minnesota change goalies half way through a game to make it fair?
ignorance is bliss
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 7:51 am
by jackstraw
If you meant switching goalies from team to team to create a more level playing field, good move.
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:47 am
by gohawk4
I believe, JudgeandJury was saying that the teams switched goalies. As in one teams goalie switched to the other team to play against his own team. I may be wrong, but don't jump over a guy if you don't understand what he was saying.
Re: Minnesota made squirt tourney results
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:52 am
by elliott70
Judgeandjury wrote:Judgeandjury wrote:How did the first Minnesota made tourney go?
What teams played in this squirt tourney? My buddy said one game they changed goalies half way through to make the game fair. Is this legal in Minnesota sanctioned squirt hockey? Do all the squirt teams in Minnesota change goalies half way through a game to make it fair?
Yes, they can do it.
Re: Minnesota made squirt tourney results
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:54 am
by elliott70
Judgeandjury wrote:Judgeandjury wrote:How did the first Minnesota made tourney go?
What teams played in this squirt tourney?
What teams played?
No sanctioned MH teams would have/ should have played.
Minnesota Made is not a sanctioned MH/USAH association and therefore does not qualify to host an invitational tourney where MH or USAH teams would compete.
Re: Minnesota made squirt tourney results
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:03 am
by muckandgrind
elliott70 wrote:Judgeandjury wrote:Judgeandjury wrote:How did the first Minnesota made tourney go?
What teams played in this squirt tourney?
What teams played?
No sanctioned MH teams would have/ should have played.
Minnesota Made is not a sanctioned MH/USAH association and therefore does not qualify to host an invitational tourney where MH or USAH teams would compete.
Since they have their own league, I'm sure the tourney was made up of just those teams.
Question for parents of kids in that league: What's your opinion of this league so far? Will you do it again next year?
Re: Minnesota made squirt tourney results
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:15 am
by elliott70
muckandgrind wrote:elliott70 wrote:Judgeandjury wrote:
What teams played in this squirt tourney?
What teams played?
No sanctioned MH teams would have/ should have played.
Minnesota Made is not a sanctioned MH/USAH association and therefore does not qualify to host an invitational tourney where MH or USAH teams would compete.
Since
they have their own league, I'm sure the tourney was made up of just those teams.
Question for parents of kids in that league: What's your opinion of this league so far? Will you do it again next year?
Good question.
I would like to hear some opinions.
The leaue tourney would make sense.
Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:01 pm
by Judgeandjury
I talked to some one that attended a couple games this weekend. He said if the games were not close they switched goalies for the second period only. Which left me wondering. Why?
Why not just make the teams even based off evaluation scores? If you do have weaker teams then give them the better goalies to even it out.
I plan on sending my son to Minnesota made next season. I'm also curious what the parents think of this league?
So far I've heard the development is there but not playing outside teams is getting old. AAA anyone?
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:05 am
by Judgeandjury
Judgeandjury wrote:I talked to some one that attended a couple games this weekend. He said if the games were not close they switched goalies for the second period only. Which left me wondering. Why?
Why not just make the teams even based off evaluation scores? If you do have weaker teams then give them the better goalies to even it out.
I plan on sending my son to Minnesota made next season. I'm also curious what the parents think of this league?
So far I've heard the development is there but not playing outside teams is getting old. AAA anyone?
Minnesota made parents how's the Choice squirt league this year?
How did the tourney go this weekend? Did they really swap goalies during games?
Pro's and con's?
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:19 am
by hockeygirl2
I am curious who reports teams playing in non MH sanctioned tournaments? if they are caught is it suspension of games? Any in sight U can provide us Elliot is apprecited. Is it true there are only 4 teams at minnesota made for squirts. How does that work for for the tournament? Judge and Jury i thought your child played at minnesota made. I recall reading an earlier posting when you stated that all is fine at minnesota made. I will go back and look, but it was toward the end of december. Im just curious because you said that and then you ask about minnesota made. just trying to get my facts strait!
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:40 am
by elliott70
Judgeandjury wrote:I talked to some one that attended a couple games this weekend. He said if the games were not close they switched goalies for the second period only. Which left me wondering. Why?
Why not just make the teams even based off evaluation scores? If you do have weaker teams then give them the better goalies to even it out.
I plan on sending my son to Minnesota made next season. I'm also curious what the parents think of this league?
So far I've heard the development is there but not playing outside teams is getting old. AAA anyone?
They are not eligible to play AAA (USAH sanctioned AAA or Tier 1 or 2).
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:44 am
by elliott70
hockeygirl2 wrote:I am curious who reports teams playing in non MH sanctioned tournaments? if they are caught is it suspension of games?
Who reports them?
Anyone.
Penalty, that would depend on the district.
If they were a D16 team the coaches would be suspended (at least the head coach). The balance of the punishment would be based on who knew what after I finished investigating it.
Metro area, I am sure there would be monetary fines and carryover suspensions as well as loss of games.
Any in sight U can provide us Elliot is apprecited.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:29 pm
by oholene
Elliott70
I am curious who reports squirt teams playing scrimmages and not reporting them?
What is the punishment?
elliott70 wrote:hockeygirl2 wrote:I am curious who reports teams playing in non MH sanctioned tournaments? if they are caught is it suspension of games?
Who reports them?
Anyone.
Penalty, that would depend on the district.
If they were a D16 team the coaches would be suspended (at least the head coach). The balance of the punishment would be based on who knew what after I finished investigating it.
Metro area, I am sure there would be monetary fines and carryover suspensions as well as loss of games.
Any in sight U can provide us Elliot is apprecited.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:34 pm
by observer
They are a private club and can do whatever they want. The teams only play among themselves.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:58 pm
by muckandgrind
oholene wrote:Elliott70
I am curious who reports squirt teams playing scrimmages and not reporting them?
What is the punishment?
elliott70 wrote:hockeygirl2 wrote:I am curious who reports teams playing in non MH sanctioned tournaments? if they are caught is it suspension of games?
Who reports them?
Anyone.
Penalty, that would depend on the district.
If they were a D16 team the coaches would be suspended (at least the head coach). The balance of the punishment would be based on who knew what after I finished investigating it.
Metro area, I am sure there would be monetary fines and carryover suspensions as well as loss of games.
Any in sight U can provide us Elliot is apprecited.
Honestly, why would ANYONE go out of their way to turn in a team playing a Minnesota Made team in a scrimmage? Why would anyone even care??? As long as all players are insured everything should be good to go...
I mean, this is SUPPOSED to be all about the kids, right???
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:04 pm
by elliott70
muckandgrind wrote:oholene wrote:Elliott70
I am curious who reports squirt teams playing scrimmages and not reporting them?
What is the punishment?
elliott70 wrote:
Honestly, why would ANYONE go out of their way to turn in a team playing a Minnesota Made team in a scrimmage? Why would anyone even care??? As long as all players are insured everything should be good to go...
I mean, this is SUPPOSED to be all about the kids, right???
Insurance is not in place if a USAH team plays a non-sanctioned team.
Why would someone report it?
Lots of reasons, I guess.
It happens all the time.
Believe me the District Directors are not out driving around looking for something. The job comes at you, you don't need to go at it.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:32 pm
by buttend
elliott70 wrote:
Insurance is not in place if a USAH team plays a non-sanctioned team.
Elliott,
Please explain how MNHockey insurance works. Exactly what type of coverage does a player get with MNHockey insurance? We hear that "buzz" word alot. "Are they insured?" " They are not insured? " "Insurance does not cover non-sanctioned tournaments."
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:54 pm
by play4fun
For inquiring minds... and in no particular order...
Yes, there are only 4 squirt level teams at MM this year. Most players are 99's, with some 98's and even a few 00's sprinkled in.
The goalies are rotated between the teams from game to game, so that every team theoretically has the same level of goaltending over the course of a long season, and isn't the beneficiary of a single, dominant goalie (not saying there is one, just laying out the framework). I'm not sure whether or not a goalie change was made during the actual course of a game this past weekend, but if it did, that is not the norm.
Regarding level of play, I watched a few of the squirt games this past weekend at MM (and, of course, prior to this weekend), and for the most part the games are played at a fairly fast pace, with scores that are usually within a few goals at the end of a game. There is the occasional lopsided game, but again, that is not the norm.
Would I send my kid(s) to MM again next year? That depends on a few things not related to our experience this year, such as how many teams and what levels are offered next year, scheduling, commuting, etc.
As far as the experience goes, it's been positive. My kids are having fun (priority number one for us), getting over 100 hours of ice, making new friends, receiving good skills development, and for the parents -- schedules are made out for the entire year, no board politics or meetings, better-than-average practice times, and only one facility to travel to.
Is everything perfect? No. There are a few kids who try to skate with the puck all by themselves during games, but there are signs that they're learning they can't be a solo show against similar or better talent. There are a few parents who are concerned about whether their kid plays O or D. There are a few parents that aren't happy with coaching during games. Sounds a lot like similar issues at any association.
But to be fair, the overall grumbling is minimal, and a little bit is to be expected from a few parents in any setting.
Overall, no regrets and a very good program.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:33 pm
by elliott70
oholene wrote:Elliott70
I am curious who reports squirt teams playing scrimmages and not reporting them?
What is the punishment?
elliott70 wrote:hockeygirl2 wrote:I am curious who reports teams playing in non MH sanctioned tournaments? if they are caught is it suspension of games?
Who reports them?
Anyone.
Penalty, that would depend on the district.
If they were a D16 team the coaches would be suspended (at least the head coach). The balance of the punishment would be based on who knew what after I finished investigating it.
Metro area, I am sure there would be monetary fines and carryover suspensions as well as loss of games.
Any in sight U can provide us Elliot is apprecited.
Who reports them?
Opposing coaches.
Parents, of both sides.
Refs.
Casual bystanders.
Rumor mill.
Just about anyone you can think of, but most of the time it is someone with an axe to grind.
Back about 10 years ago a mother reported her team playing in a non-sanctioned early (pre) season jamboree.
Reported it to the tournament committee who handed out fines of $500 to all except host I believe got $1000 fine. Host was not allowed to host tourneys for awhile and coaches were suspended for 3 games.
If you are talking about Squirt games (scrimmages) being reported to (or not) Distrcit officials that is a dsitrict by district thing. One purpose is to monitor the 35 game max. In D16 we are not rigid, everyone knows the rule and contacts me for definition or if the need a waiver (example - LOW needs a team for a squirt tourney and invites Warroad for free - this would put Warroad squirt A at 36 games - they call me, Igrant them an extra game.)
I know some districts charge a penalty for goin gover the games. We're small and poor - no penalty - unless they do it without getting permission.
So the answer, I guess, is that it varies.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:45 pm
by elliott70
buttend wrote:elliott70 wrote:
Insurance is not in place if a USAH team plays a non-sanctioned team.
Elliott,
Please explain how MNHockey insurance works.
Exactly what type of coverage does a player get with MNHockey insurance?
We hear that "buzz" word alot. "Are they insured?" " They are not insured? "
"Insurance does not cover non-sanctioned tournaments."
USAH insurance covers all participants - players, coaches, refs, fans.
It is for practical purposes a catastrophic policy.
For those with insurance their police comes first, then USAH policy fills the gaps over a certain $ of out of pocket money ($1000 I believe - I am not the expert in this field).
For those without insurance there is a deductible and it was $1000 a few years ago (it may have gone up - the contract is negotiated every year).
So, if something bad happens, broken neck etc the policy does a nice job.
A broken collar bone tha sets up right, not so much.
USAH insurance only covers sanctioned events. Those events have to be within the assn sanctioned by USAH.
Minnesota Made playing Edina squirt A's would be outside the umbrella and no insurance. Because of the mess thae could create it is not allowed.
Tournaments need sanctioning by MH and USAH. All teams playing need to be sanctioned teams.
It is complicated and MH makes it easier by saying 'do it this way or there is no insurance' - 'do it this way or you face the consequence.'
Certain districts need to be much stricter than others because of their size.
D16 although spread far apart ahve less #'s (small towns) we can be less strict in enforcement because we have less issues.
(I tell everyone the people up here are smarter hockey people and generally nicer - of course that is not true - much smarter & much nicer j/k).
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:48 pm
by elliott70
play4fun wrote:For inquiring minds... and in no particular order...
Yes, there are only 4 squirt level teams at MM this year. Most players are 99's, with some 98's and even a few 00's sprinkled in.
The goalies are rotated between the teams from game to game, so that every team theoretically has the same level of goaltending over the course of a long season, and isn't the beneficiary of a single, dominant goalie (not saying there is one, just laying out the framework). I'm not sure whether or not a goalie change was made during the actual course of a game this past weekend, but if it did, that is not the norm.
Regarding level of play, I watched a few of the squirt games this past weekend at MM (and, of course, prior to this weekend), and for the most part the games are played at a fairly fast pace, with scores that are usually within a few goals at the end of a game. There is the occasional lopsided game, but again, that is not the norm.
Would I send my kid(s) to MM again next year? That depends on a few things not related to our experience this year, such as how many teams and what levels are offered next year, scheduling, commuting, etc.
As far as the experience goes, it's been positive. My kids are having fun (priority number one for us), getting over 100 hours of ice, making new friends, receiving good skills development, and for the parents -- schedules are made out for the entire year, no board politics or meetings, better-than-average practice times, and only one facility to travel to.
Is everything perfect? No. There are a few kids who try to skate with the puck all by themselves during games, but there are signs that they're learning they can't be a solo show against similar or better talent. There are a few parents who are concerned about whether their kid plays O or D. There are a few parents that aren't happy with coaching during games. Sounds a lot like similar issues at any association.
But to be fair, the overall grumbling is minimal, and a little bit is to be expected from a few parents in any setting.
Overall, no regrets and a very good program.
That's good to hear.
Thanks for the update.
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:16 pm
by kidd
Why do kids need insurance to play
has anyone ever used this insurance
are the finacial records available
I don't recall insurance when I was a kid
I feel like we are funding ann arbor and others
all I know of usa hockey is the restrictions they put on teams
USAH
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:07 pm
by O-townClown
kidd wrote:
I feel like we are funding ann arbor and others
all I know of usa hockey is the restrictions they put on teams
I haven't felt that way. Imagine someone considers opening an ice rink. If there is a constant risk of a ruinous lawsuit they probably don't proceed.
With something like nearly a million registrants paying 30 dollars annually, the cost to run Ann Arbor is negligible. Do away with the program and I save what? A buck?
Re: USAH
Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:16 pm
by iwearmysunglassesatnight
[quote="O-townClown"][quote="kidd"]
I feel like we are funding ann arbor and others
all I know of usa hockey is the restrictions they put on teams[/quote]
I haven't felt that way. Imagine someone considers opening an ice rink. If there is a constant risk of a ruinous lawsuit they probably don't proceed.
With something like nearly a million registrants paying 30 dollars annually, the cost to run Ann Arbor is negligible. Do away with the program and I save what? A buck?[/quote]
Actually you would be surprised how much you pay to USA Hockey for this insurance. It isn't alot but more than you think. Edina pulled their mites out of USA Hockey(mn hockey) a few years ago. ( They are now back) They were able to get the same type of secondary insurance for somewhere around $12 a registrant....USA hockey i believe is making a $ or more of your secondary insurance. However, It is needed and for the reasons stated above, MN Hockey registered teams cannot play non sanctioned teams.