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Great article about a great kid and a super family. Thanks for posting it! Good luck to Joe.

Wow, not even picked up by a USHL team?! I'm sure he'll find a place to play eventually. SCSU needs a third stringer, but I'm sure Joe would rather find a place where he has an opportunity to start and prove himself.

EDIT: Okay Joe, if you're going to tryout for a USHL team as a free agent, avoid...

-Omaha, who's excellent goaltender Palmisano will be returning next season, as he's due in Michigan State in 2009. His backup will be Teglia taken in the recent draft.
-Fargo, who has Lee tabbed as the next best thing and has Terrazzano in place in case Lee struggles.
-Green Bay, who just nabbed last year's Brimsek Award winner Reid Ellingson, who's looking to get out of the backup situation he was in at Northern Michigan University.
-Des Moines, who picked up Wisconsin bound Aaron Crandall in a trade with Green Bay.
-Indiana, who drafted Brett Bennett from Boston University, who was in a similar situation as Reid.
-Waterloo, as phenom Joe Howe will be returning next year.
-Sioux Falls, where Max Strang and Eric Hartzell will both be returning and looking to earn scholarships. There's no chance for ice time there.

That leaves...

-Lincoln, who's clear cut starter last season (Reekie) is aging out.
-Chicago, who's clear cut starter last season (Madore) is safely on his way to Vermont next season.
-Sioux City, who's clear cut starter last season (Robinson) is safely on his way to Michigan Tech next season.
-Nebraska (Tri-City), who's clear cut starter last season (Rock) is aging out.
-Cedar Rapids, who's clear cut starter last season (Hjelle) is safely on his way to UMD next season.

Now that's not to say that those last five schools don't have some very high potential goalies protected (some of whom have scholarships already lined up), just that a free agent goalie trying out would be given a fairer shot. The worst situation for Joe would be third deep on a USHL roster. Although, if he can't find a spot as a starter with the last five schools mentioned, he could probably find some ice time as a backup on a few of the first seven teams mention.

Good luck!!

with all the Tourney awards for some of the Hill players, I can't believe that none were drafted by the USHL.

hunter wrote:with all the Tourney awards for some of the Hill players, I can't believe that none were drafted by the USHL.

wrong cecka and furne were both drafted last Wednesday, still cannot believe phillippi didnt get drafted though..

I think that his size has worked against him as far as the college recruiters. They are looking for the bigger goalies.

The Exiled One wrote:Wow, not even picked up by a USHL team?! I'm sure he'll find a place to play eventually. SCSU needs a third stringer, but I'm sure Joe would rather find a place where he has an opportunity to start and prove himself.

EDIT: Okay Joe, if you're going to tryout for a USHL team as a free agent, avoid...

-Omaha, who's excellent goaltender Palmisano will be returning next season, as he's due in Michigan State in 2009. His backup will be Teglia taken in the recent draft.
-Fargo, who has Lee tabbed as the next best thing and has Terrazzano in place in case Lee struggles.
-Green Bay, who just nabbed last year's Brimsek Award winner Reid Ellingson, who's looking to get out of the backup situation he was in at Northern Michigan University.
-Des Moines, who picked up Wisconsin bound Aaron Crandall in a trade with Green Bay.
-Indiana, who drafted Brett Bennett from Boston University, who was in a similar situation as Reid.
-Waterloo, as phenom Joe Howe will be returning next year.
-Sioux Falls, where Max Strang and Eric Hartzell will both be returning and looking to earn scholarships. There's no chance for ice time there.

That leaves...

-Lincoln, who's clear cut starter last season (Reekie) is aging out.
-Chicago, who's clear cut starter last season (Madore) is safely on his way to Vermont next season.
-Sioux City, who's clear cut starter last season (Robinson) is safely on his way to Michigan Tech next season.
-Nebraska (Tri-City), who's clear cut starter last season (Rock) is aging out.
-Cedar Rapids, who's clear cut starter last season (Hjelle) is safely on his way to UMD next season.

Now that's not to say that those last five schools don't have some very high potential goalies protected (some of whom have scholarships already lined up), just that a free agent goalie trying out would be given a fairer shot. The worst situation for Joe would be third deep on a USHL roster. Although, if he can't find a spot as a starter with the last five schools mentioned, he could probably find some ice time as a backup on a few of the first seven teams mention.

Good luck!!

you sound like you are quite on top of the goalie sit, whats best shot for an undrafted d-man or forward to try out? invites quite the $$$$ especially if no real shot

ColdasIce wrote:

The Exiled One wrote:Wow, not even picked up by a USHL team?! I'm sure he'll find a place to play eventually. SCSU needs a third stringer, but I'm sure Joe would rather find a place where he has an opportunity to start and prove himself.

EDIT: Okay Joe, if you're going to tryout for a USHL team as a free agent, avoid...

-Omaha, who's excellent goaltender Palmisano will be returning next season, as he's due in Michigan State in 2009. His backup will be Teglia taken in the recent draft.
-Fargo, who has Lee tabbed as the next best thing and has Terrazzano in place in case Lee struggles.
-Green Bay, who just nabbed last year's Brimsek Award winner Reid Ellingson, who's looking to get out of the backup situation he was in at Northern Michigan University.
-Des Moines, who picked up Wisconsin bound Aaron Crandall in a trade with Green Bay.
-Indiana, who drafted Brett Bennett from Boston University, who was in a similar situation as Reid.
-Waterloo, as phenom Joe Howe will be returning next year.
-Sioux Falls, where Max Strang and Eric Hartzell will both be returning and looking to earn scholarships. There's no chance for ice time there.

That leaves...

-Lincoln, who's clear cut starter last season (Reekie) is aging out.
-Chicago, who's clear cut starter last season (Madore) is safely on his way to Vermont next season.
-Sioux City, who's clear cut starter last season (Robinson) is safely on his way to Michigan Tech next season.
-Nebraska (Tri-City), who's clear cut starter last season (Rock) is aging out.
-Cedar Rapids, who's clear cut starter last season (Hjelle) is safely on his way to UMD next season.

Now that's not to say that those last five schools don't have some very high potential goalies protected (some of whom have scholarships already lined up), just that a free agent goalie trying out would be given a fairer shot. The worst situation for Joe would be third deep on a USHL roster. Although, if he can't find a spot as a starter with the last five schools mentioned, he could probably find some ice time as a backup on a few of the first seven teams mention.

Good luck!!

you sound like you are quite on top of the goalie sit, whats best shot for an undrafted d-man or forward to try out? invites quite the $$$$ especially if no real shot

Goalies are easy to calculate. Skaters are another matter entirely. For forwards, look at teams struggling to find scoring. For defensemen, it depends what style you are.

He was better than average high school goaltender. I never saw him attain that consistant wow factor a goaltender needs to get to the next level. He will possibly make a good division III goaltender someday. Wish him the best of luck and congratulations on good high school career.

stopper1. Could you elaborate on what a goalie does to acheive the wow factor that you referenced? I'm presuming you don't just mean stats alone. Or is it a specific stat? Is it acrobatics in the net? Just curious. Thanks.

What I consider a wow factor in a goaltender is that you need to consistantly make great plays in order to beat him time and time again. No soft goals allowed and of course many saves that most goalies wouldn't make. When you see someone play and everytime it is as if they are better than everyone else not just a few good games in a row.

stopper1 wrote:What I consider a wow factor in a goaltender is that you need to consistantly make great plays in order to beat him time and time again. No soft goals allowed and of course many saves that most goalies wouldn't make. When you see someone play and everytime it is as if they are better than everyone else not just a few good games in a row.

In the state tournament, he made amazing saves time after time that most goalies wouldn't make, but that still doesn't qualify him for having the wow factor?

MNhockeyfan28 wrote:

stopper1 wrote:What I consider a wow factor in a goaltender is that you need to consistantly make great plays in order to beat him time and time again. No soft goals allowed and of course many saves that most goalies wouldn't make. When you see someone play and everytime it is as if they are better than everyone else not just a few good games in a row.

In the state tournament, he made amazing saves time after time that most goalies wouldn't make, but that still doesn't qualify him for having the wow factor?

there is no doubt that he had the wow factor during the tourney.
however, i did not see him play more then a few games the rest of the regular season though during the ones that i was ab;e to see he def. still had the wow in his play.

The Exiled One wrote:

ColdasIce wrote:

The Exiled One wrote:Wow, not even picked up by a USHL team?! I'm sure he'll find a place to play eventually. SCSU needs a third stringer, but I'm sure Joe would rather find a place where he has an opportunity to start and prove himself.

EDIT: Okay Joe, if you're going to tryout for a USHL team as a free agent, avoid...

-Omaha, who's excellent goaltender Palmisano will be returning next season, as he's due in Michigan State in 2009. His backup will be Teglia taken in the recent draft.
-Fargo, who has Lee tabbed as the next best thing and has Terrazzano in place in case Lee struggles.
-Green Bay, who just nabbed last year's Brimsek Award winner Reid Ellingson, who's looking to get out of the backup situation he was in at Northern Michigan University.
-Des Moines, who picked up Wisconsin bound Aaron Crandall in a trade with Green Bay.
-Indiana, who drafted Brett Bennett from Boston University, who was in a similar situation as Reid.
-Waterloo, as phenom Joe Howe will be returning next year.
-Sioux Falls, where Max Strang and Eric Hartzell will both be returning and looking to earn scholarships. There's no chance for ice time there.

That leaves...

-Lincoln, who's clear cut starter last season (Reekie) is aging out.
-Chicago, who's clear cut starter last season (Madore) is safely on his way to Vermont next season.
-Sioux City, who's clear cut starter last season (Robinson) is safely on his way to Michigan Tech next season.
-Nebraska (Tri-City), who's clear cut starter last season (Rock) is aging out.
-Cedar Rapids, who's clear cut starter last season (Hjelle) is safely on his way to UMD next season.

Now that's not to say that those last five schools don't have some very high potential goalies protected (some of whom have scholarships already lined up), just that a free agent goalie trying out would be given a fairer shot. The worst situation for Joe would be third deep on a USHL roster. Although, if he can't find a spot as a starter with the last five schools mentioned, he could probably find some ice time as a backup on a few of the first seven teams mention.

Good luck!!

you sound like you are quite on top of the goalie sit, whats best shot for an undrafted d-man or forward to try out? invites quite the $$$$ especially if no real shot

Goalies are easy to calculate. Skaters are another matter entirely. For forwards, look at teams struggling to find scoring. For defensemen, it depends what style you are.

Not sure goalies are easy to calculate. I heard from an agent that they tend to stay away from goalies because most reach their potential later than forwards and Ds. Therefore, it is more difficult to crystal ball them. Frazee may be an example of that.

I am betting few goalies are offered full rides or top percentages because they mature later.

Joe is a good goalie. He will find somewhere to play next year.

breakout wrote:

The Exiled One wrote:

ColdasIce wrote: you sound like you are quite on top of the goalie sit, whats best shot for an undrafted d-man or forward to try out? invites quite the $$$$ especially if no real shot

Goalies are easy to calculate. Skaters are another matter entirely. For forwards, look at teams struggling to find scoring. For defensemen, it depends what style you are.

Not sure goalies are easy to calculate. I heard from an agent that they tend to stay away from goalies because most reach their potential later than forwards and Ds. Therefore, it is more difficult to crystal ball them. Frazee may be an example of that.

I am betting few goalies are offered full rides or top percentages because they mature later.

I was referring to the goalie SITUATIONS for each USHL team, not the goalies themselves. Sorry for the confusion.

kid plays baseball does'nt he? maybe if al this junior hockey doesnt work out for him he will decide on a D3 team where he can play 2 sports, and do a little woodworking

He's a good kid but he didn't do himself any favors in Chicago. He played very poorly there and that's where all the scouts were. Nonetheless, I was still amazed to see he was not drafted in the NAHL or USHL drafts.

he signed with Fairbanks Ice Dogs of the NAHL, along with teammate Dan Sova

He didn't get drafted because he is a below average Goalie!! It's not a case of scouts missing him, he just is not very good. He played on a great team this year, and they did not give up alot of scoring chances. Simple.

because playing 4 years varsity at HM is nothing. He has no talent, what a hack

he is talented but the soft goals come every once and awhile. Did you watch the state tourney? He made some great saves

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Joe's a great kid but as far as goalies go he played with such good teams he never had a chance to develop to his potential. He showed some brilliance in the State tournament last year and against White Bear but also looked inept at times and his inconsistantcy made the scouts wonder which goalie they would be getting. The move to Fairbanks will really help him get his consistancy togeather, give him a chance to play in a different sytem and show that he is able to adapt to a higher level of play. If he does well there this year, he'll get a shot at bigger and better things. He's a fantastic kid and it will be intersting to see how things turn out for him.

[quote="dogshockey"]he signed with Fairbanks Ice Dogs of the NAHL, along with teammate Dan Sova[/quote]

"Ice Dogs" How appropriate.

Joe will do very well in Fairbanks. He has won big games with Hill Murray and saved the best for his senior year. He is a very good skater and quick in the crease. Playing in the NAHL will only develop his game more.