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I've argued with many and have yet to find anyone that supports my abstract position. No goalie= admitted defeat.The genius's say why protect a loss but I can still win a one goal game in the final seconds but cannot win the two goal game. Unless I have a huge territorial advantage I say keep my goalie on the ice.
In my opinion pulling the goalie is as overated as the slap shop.
Take your shot guys, I've had fun with this one, thanks!!

oops- typo, should say as overated as "slap shot"- sorry guys

There is probably a very good reason for the lack of support for your position on this!

Pulling the goalie is not admitting defeat, it is pulling out all the stops to try and get a win! Considering pulling the goalie as admitting defeat, well... that's probably the most rediculous thing I've ever heard. More often than not, the empty net goes unscored upon and I've seen many, many games tied up with the extra attacker.

I'd say not pulling the goalie is more like admitting defeat..

puckranger- yes I am being "rediculous" , it generates good discussion. Sometimes its works but my best guess is that there is at least 10 empty netters for every one that works out. I had a poor choice of words when I said "admitting defeat"
Its one of the old ideas that eveyone expects us to use but I'm not sure it is good for all situations.
Long live Range Hockey!

Using mathematical terms, the "expected value" of a shift for a .500 team is 0. They expect to score as many goals as they give up.

If they are hoping to maximize the likelihood of tying the game it makes sense to take a shift or two that have an expected value that is decidedly negative. The margin of defeat matters not.

If you can show me that the likelihood of scoring a goal doesn't increase by going to the 6th attacker you'd be on to something. You can't, so you aren't.

When you have the goalie pulled and have all six skaters pressing the action you most certainly do have a higher likelihood of scoring. Happens quite often.

dralr wrote:I've argued with many and have yet to find anyone that supports my abstract position. No goalie= admitted defeat.The genius's say why protect a loss but I can still win a one goal game in the final seconds but cannot win the two goal game. Unless I have a huge territorial advantage I say keep my goalie on the ice.
In my opinion pulling the goalie is as overated as the slap shop.
Take your shot guys, I've had fun with this one, thanks!!

Pulling your goalie and slap shots are overratted ,Na I don't think so

It's still a lose if you loose by 1 or 2.

dralr wrote:oops- typo, should say as overated as "slap shot"- sorry guys

Edit key.

And it's still a loss if you lose by 1 or 2.

elliott70 wrote:And it still a loss if you lose by 1 or 2.

Pretty "bored" tonight, huh!!

Sorry, my spelling was wrong.

I believe some of the best hockey minds (coaches) in the world pull their goalie at certain times.

I believe statistics will show that scoring with a man advantage is higher than at even strength.
If you can't keep the puck in the o-zone than maybe you should not pull your goalie, but you had better have another strategy, otherwise it is like admitting defeat.

Can't Never Tried wrote:

elliott70 wrote:And it still a loss if you lose by 1 or 2.

Pretty "bored" tonight, huh!!

Yep!

mulefarm wrote:Sorry, my spelling was wrong.

No problem, I used to have an English teacher, but she moved away.

When did your mom move out?

mulefarm wrote:When did your mom move out?

Nice.



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four 4's

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elliott70 wrote:I believe some of the best hockey minds (coaches) in the world pull their goalie at certain times.

I believe statistics will show that scoring with a man advantage is higher than at even strength.
If you can't keep the puck in the o-zone than maybe you should not pull your goalie, but you had better have another strategy, otherwise it is like admitting defeat.

Dean Blais in the NCAA tourney,against BC, pulled his goalie with over four minutes remaining. Down by two they scored twice and forced it into OT. They did lose in OT.

Once, when I was a Pee Wee, my team played the entire second period with the goalie pulled. We entered the period down 5-0. Who was that crazy coach??

My dad.

We ended up losing 10-5, so take that for what you will.

Can't Never Tried wrote:I'd say not pulling the goalie is more like admitting defeat..

Exactly what I was thinking.

Hey, don't you hate it when football teams throw a hail mary pass? It's like they're just admitting defeat!

halla wrote:Once, when I was a Pee Wee, my team played the entire second period with the goalie pulled. We entered the period down 5-0. Who was that crazy coach??

My dad.

We ended up losing 10-5, so take that for what you will.

Were you the goalie?????

Fargo wrote:

halla wrote:Once, when I was a Pee Wee, my team played the entire second period with the goalie pulled. We entered the period down 5-0. Who was that crazy coach??

My dad.

We ended up losing 10-5, so take that for what you will.

Were you the goalie?????

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:

elliott70 wrote:I believe some of the best hockey minds (coaches) in the world pull their goalie at certain times.

I believe statistics will show that scoring with a man advantage is higher than at even strength.
If you can't keep the puck in the o-zone than maybe you should not pull your goalie, but you had better have another strategy, otherwise it is like admitting defeat.

Dean Blais in the NCAA tourney,against BC, pulled his goalie with over four minutes remaining. Down by two they scored twice and forced it into OT. They did lose in OT.

I can't remember where I read it, but somebody did a statistical analysis and came up with the result that the goalie should be pulled earlier than most would think- somewhere around the 2 minute mark if down by a goal.

Of course the author had to make a lot of assumptions about the increased scoring the extra attacker provides vs. rate of goals against with an empty net.

Fargo wrote:

halla wrote:Once, when I was a Pee Wee, my team played the entire second period with the goalie pulled. We entered the period down 5-0. Who was that crazy coach??

My dad.

We ended up losing 10-5, so take that for what you will.

Were you the goalie?????

Fortunately, no. Though, for a period, we blueliners kinda felt like we were.

Once, when I was a Pee Wee, my team played the entire second period with the goalie pulled. We entered the period down 5-0. Who was that crazy coach??

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you didnt play for hibbing pee-wee A's did you because davey johnson did that because the defense wernt helping the goalie so he let the D try doing all the work with no help from a goalie they didnt let in 1 goal the whole period