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i dont know about you guys... but whats going on with WBL talent this year... only having four solid fowards and three solid D.. with the rest being over hyped trash... thats not wbl hockey.. i remember the years of the carter, malark, braun, grun and the hansen brothers.. i know i'm missing alot more but that is part of my point... where has the talent gone... Or am i totally hitting the wrong spot.. is it the coaching? come on who picks a player that has no goals until his senior year for a captain and who is also one of the worse D on the team... let me hear your thoughts on this

I see absolutely nothing wrong with the White Bear Hockey program. I see no reason to make a coaching change & nor do I think they need to do anything different when it comes to player development. Just keep the program going the way it is....please!

MSmavs03 wrote:i dont know about you guys... but whats going on with WBL talent this year... only having four solid fowards and three solid D.. with the rest being over hyped trash... thats not wbl hockey.. i remember the years of the carter, malark, braun, grun and the hansen brothers.. i know i'm missing alot more but that is part of my point... where has the talent gone... Or am i totally hitting the wrong spot.. is it the coaching? come on who picks a player that has no goals until his senior year for a captain and who is also one of the worse D on the team... let me hear your thoughts on this

I agree with you for the most part. White Bear is having an off year. We did lose a lot a talent from graduation and kids heading off to Juniors, but this happens to a lot of teams. We beat some fairly tough teams this year. We've worked with what we have. Granted, we're not as hot as years past, but hey it's a rebuilding year. As for the whole captain issue, I think it's stupid if you think ginos alone decide who is and who isn't a captain. I think most people can agree it's about leadership and whatnot, but I guess it would be up to you if they qualify as leaders in your book. I think you stating the rest of the team as being over hyped trash is a little too over the top. They shine from time to time. I guess what White Bear is lacking is consistency. They need to play a solid third period of hockey, put the puck on net, pick up rebounds, and control their emotions out on the ice. I guess one bright spot would be Collette, he has definitely given them chances to win games. Take it or leave it, but I thought we won a lot of games that people didn't think we would .

First of all they lost 4 of there better players that should be playing this year. Two of which would have made a huge impact but are off playing juniors and the other two definitely would have helped but they had behavior problems and were kicked off the team.

As for the captian that didn't have a goal until this year, i think we can all agree that there is a lot more to being a captain than just being the best player on the ice.

I would definitly not consider the team to be over hyped trash, i think losing so much from last year and still competing for the SEC title was an accomplishment in itself. Unlike private schools who can just recruit talent that they want the public schools will have up and down years. WB has had a great progame with some talented kids the last 10 years but its very difficult to make that last. If you look at the youth rankings WB's A peewee's and A bantam's aren't even ranked in the top 20.

The coaching is not the greatest and a lot of the kids on the team don't respect the coaching staff for a variety of reasons. It's hard to build a championship team when they don't respect their own coach.

I think they just need to work hard the rest of the season and who knows what can happen in playoffs. I would not consider this past year to be an overhyped, dissapointing season, but rather a somewhat impressive one.

whitebearsuperfanB wrote:The coaching is not the greatest and a lot of the kids on the team don't respect the coaching staff for a variety of reasons. It's hard to build a championship team when they don't respect their own coach.

I have heard the exact same about the coaching staff ever since Sager started at White Bear.

wbmd wrote:

whitebearsuperfanB wrote:The coaching is not the greatest and a lot of the kids on the team don't respect the coaching staff for a variety of reasons. It's hard to build a championship team when they don't respect their own coach.

I have heard the exact same about the coaching staff ever since Sager started at White Bear.

Yeah, it's fairly widely known. Someone wanted to pay us (the student section) to start a "Fire Sager" chant at our last game . But us, being the classy student section we are, didn't make it happen.

CFM™ wrote:Yeah, it's fairly widely known. Someone wanted to pay us (the student section) to start a "Fire Sager" chant at our last game . But us, being the classy student section we are, didn't make it happen.

I don't see Sager as the problem. He's a classy enough guy. The problem this year as stated was 2 guys left for Juniors and 2 left because they were idiots. That's 4 guys off a varsity squad and that is a lot. White Bear still has a lot of hard workers and a goalie that can win games. They won't outscore anyone by too many goals, but they won't be blown out either. They have just the kind of squad that can upset anyone. I still expect to see them get by Roseville and meet Hill in the section finals...

CFM™ wrote:Yeah, it's fairly widely known. Someone wanted to pay us (the student section) to start a "Fire Sager" chant at our last game . But us, being the classy student section we are, didn't make it happen.

You didn't appear all that classy Thursday against Woodbury. More like class-less much of the game.

wbmd wrote:

CFM™ wrote:Yeah, it's fairly widely known. Someone wanted to pay us (the student section) to start a "Fire Sager" chant at our last game . But us, being the classy student section we are, didn't make it happen.

You didn't appear all that classy Thursday against Woodbury. More like class-less much of the game.

Oh wbmd, let's lighten up a bit. Maybe we were a little harsh on the Woodbury players and we might have had a few nasty chants. It's is all in good fun my man

i know it's more then just playing well on the ice for being a captain..and he might have that.. but when i went to a game the other week.. this kid looked like he needed to be on junior gold A not White Bear lake Varsity... and im still talking about number 12. his other d partner #2 Gerde is horrible too.. i know he is young but he should go play jv or something to boost his playing.. im not all against WBL trust me there are some players that i could see playing on the next level.. like number 15, 24, 39, and 27... i like #24 he seemed like he was a smart and physical player.. and number 15 and 27 are just amazing with the puck... and i think 39 is Collete. he is a prime time goalie in my mind and im guessing in everyone else's mind too... i think this is funny about the coach.. why would people pay you guys to cheer that.. arent most of the people in the crowd family or people with some connection with a player.. besides the student section.. i think that is crazy

The coach is not the problem here. Losing 4 of your best players and still having the year you did says alot about your coach and the players. This team should be proud of their season and what they accomplished with that schedule. This team is good enough to get to the semis or maybe get by Roseville to reach the finals. talent wise they should not get by roseville but the work ethic is very good in this group from what I have seen and that always gives you a fighting chance. Hill is the class of this section and will win it pretty easily in my opinion. This thread reminds me of one a few years ago when people were talking about Lechner being washed up etc. Look at the Hill program now. These are very good coaches and classy people.

By the way, I'm am glad to here that the students at Wb are classier than some nut job who wanted you to shout " fire Sager" at a high school game. Tells you how crazy some people are. Kids being more mature than adults, I love it.

At the beginning of the year most people thought White Bear would be in big trouble, then they started off the season beating teams like Moorhead, Duluth East, etc. White Bear has actually done well with the team they have and I dont think you can consider them "overhyped trash".

hockeyxfan01 wrote:At the beginning of the year most people thought White Bear would be in big trouble, then they started off the season beating teams like Moorhead, Duluth East, etc. White Bear has actually done well with the team they have and I dont think you can consider them "overhyped trash".

I don't remember anyone "hyping" them in the first place.

first of all yes wb lost 4 good players but the rest of the team has quite a bit of talent. They arent a team the will blow out another team but they also arent a team to get blown out. you have to give credit to the team and coaches, they really stuck together during this season and are playing fairly well considering they're losses. i dont at al blame the coaches for anything they have really kept theteam together this season. also being captain doesnt mean you are an phenom of a player, captain shows leadership which is what nadeau (12), galloway (24), and dolfay (20) all have shown throughout their years of hockey. I think this team has their off nights but have a lot of potential and should not be underrated for playoffs. And by the way i really dont think nadeau nor casey gjerde are horrible players, they have really stepped up this season and have made qite a few great plays when they were needed throughout the saeson. So, basically i think this team isvery strong aslong as they stay out of the penalty box and has very much potential to do good in the playoffs this year.

mnhcky65 wrote:first of all yes wb lost 4 good players but the rest of the team has quite a bit of talent. They arent a team the will blow out another team but they also arent a team to get blown out. you have to give credit to the team and coaches, they really stuck together during this season and are playing fairly well considering they're losses. i dont at al blame the coaches for anything they have really kept theteam together this season. also being captain doesnt mean you are an phenom of a player, captain shows leadership which is what nadeau (12), galloway (24), and dolfay (20) all have shown throughout their years of hockey. I think this team has their off nights but have a lot of potential and should not be underrated for playoffs. And by the way i really dont think nadeau nor casey gjerde are horrible players, they have really stepped up this season and have made qite a few great plays when they were needed throughout the saeson. So, basically i think this team isvery strong aslong as they stay out of the penalty box and has very much potential to do good in the playoffs this year.

Very well put,

24, 12 have stepped up there play this year, 20 in nothing short of desire and hustle. If the entire team played as hard as 20 does, you may see a different team. He is a natural leader, just by his work ethics, scholastic effort, everyone likes him. I am sick of Captains being picked by skill alone. Captains should be picked by there leadership on and off the ice. I think Sager did a nice job on the captain choices this year.

In addition I think that to many people tend to compare, the talent of this years players to particularly last years horses, you simply can't do that, Johnson and Hansen are the extraordinary and that is why they are extremely successful where there at. The other 2 , well we won't talk about the other 2.

The bottom line is if you don't have any horses to rely on, than you have to figure out a way to get the team to play as a team. If you succeed in that you will win games, if you don't "well" you won't.

Hill- Murray

But really, how many players do they lose to HM usually?

hockeyjunkie2 wrote:Hill- Murray

But really, how many players do they lose to HM usually?

jeff sontagg

you guys can shut it about HM trying to steal players from WBL because i know jeff wasnt ever "recruited".

if anything, WBL stole from us in taking owen collete back in the middle of the school year

sachishi4 wrote:

hockeyjunkie2 wrote:Hill- Murray

But really, how many players do they lose to HM usually?

jeff sontagg

you guys can shut it about HM trying to steal players from WBL because i know jeff wasnt ever "recruited".

if anything, WBL stole from us in taking owen collete back in the middle of the school year

Like ER, White Bear has been "getting" more than they lose for years now. Every time a neighboring program spits out an "old maid", the said unpopped kernal shows up at White Bear.

sachishi4 wrote:

hockeyjunkie2 wrote:Hill- Murray

But really, how many players do they lose to HM usually?

jeff sontagg

you guys can shut it about HM trying to steal players from WBL because i know jeff wasnt ever "recruited".

if anything, WBL stole from us in taking owen collete back in the middle of the school year

Surely, you're kidding.

amazing how once he found out he wouldnt start until his senior year he up and leaves to go to WBL

The Curse lives on.

The Curse must be broken before da Bears wil be free.

In addition, they are just a little down this year. No big deal.

sachishi4 wrote:amazing how once he found out he wouldnt start until his senior year he up and leaves to go to WBL

Would you be all that interested in sitting for almost your whole high school career when you know you're talented enough to be starting in games? It was a smart move on Collette's part and I don't know how you can argue that, logically, any different.

Just wait untill next year, you'll see.

CFM™ wrote:

sachishi4 wrote:amazing how once he found out he wouldnt start until his senior year he up and leaves to go to WBL

Would you be all that interested in sitting for almost your whole high school career when you know you're talented enough to be starting in games? It was a smart move on Collette's part and I don't know how you can argue that, logically, any different.

but if he was at WB and found out he wouldnt start until senior year and then came to HM why would it be a crime against humanity? You know you would be crying foul if it happened