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I was on Maxpreps today looking at various stats and noticed that there are alot of teams that do not have the scoring summaries turned in but just the scores. Are most of the numbers even close to being accurate? Who gets the scores to Maxpreps because there are some teams that are way off?

flatontheice wrote:I was on Maxpreps today looking at various stats and noticed that there are alot of teams that do not have the scoring summaries turned in but just the scores. Are most of the numbers even close to being accurate? Who gets the scores to Maxpreps because there are some teams that are way off?

Coaches and or a team rep. is supposed to report the results.

This site is doing a very poor job. Stats are not up to date and from what I see the accuracy of the stats are way way off.

tuffpucker wrote:This site is doing a very poor job. Stats are not up to date and from what I see the accuracy of the stats are way way off.

is there a more accurate site some place?

flatontheice wrote:

tuffpucker wrote:This site is doing a very poor job. Stats are not up to date and from what I see the accuracy of the stats are way way off.

is there a more accurate site some place?

You could check pointstreak.com, but, that's not always complete either for all teams.

tuffpucker wrote:This site is doing a very poor job. Stats are not up to date and from what I see the accuracy of the stats are way way off.

give em a break eh? they only do every game for every sport for every school in the country...

The Weight Room wrote:

tuffpucker wrote:This site is doing a very poor job. Stats are not up to date and from what I see the accuracy of the stats are way way off.

give em a break eh? they only do every game for every sport for every school in the country...

The site does nothing but provide a home for the TEAM to enter their own stats and information. The inaccuracies are a direct result of what the team statistician or whomever enters for each game. Many games are never entered, some only one team's stats are entered. Depends on the team. Just not a priority for some... Max Preps does not have a staff that enters stats in for all these teams.

The sad thing is that local papers (including the star/tribune) use MaxPreps for their stats so those inaccuracies are being published. Some scouts and other teams look to the papers and max prep to give them ideas of who is up and coming and should be watched.

If it is coaches doing the input, they should input all the information or none so there is no confusion. If they have an issue taking the time to do it, they should find someone to do it for them.

The Weight Room wrote:

tuffpucker wrote:This site is doing a very poor job. Stats are not up to date and from what I see the accuracy of the stats are way way off.

give em a break eh? they only do every game for every sport for every school in the country...

GIVE EM A BREAK????? HECK NO. They own the site therefore they have a responsibility to GET IT RIGHT on not do it at all. If I did my job as poorly as they run this site I would expect to be looking for work elswhere. I realize they don't do the input but they need to put in checks and balances to ensure they have accurate information. Bad info is worse than no info at all. Come on Max Preps put some quality in your site.

happymama wrote:The sad thing is that local papers (including the star/tribune) use MaxPreps for their stats so those inaccuracies are being published. Some scouts and other teams look to the papers and max prep to give them ideas of who is up and coming and should be watched.
If it is coaches doing the input, they should input all the information or none so there is no confusion. If they have an issue taking the time to do it, they should find someone to do it for them.

Do you think scouts use MaxPreps as an evaluation tool? What would a scout do with the information garnered from a 16 to 0 Benilde win over St. Francis? Many teams play weaker foes and gain inflated individual stats.

Stat focus creates individual focus. Hockey is a team game, not an individual game. The emphasis on stats can hurt team chemistry.

breakout wrote:

happymama wrote:The sad thing is that local papers (including the star/tribune) use MaxPreps for their stats so those inaccuracies are being published. Some scouts and other teams look to the papers and max prep to give them ideas of who is up and coming and should be watched.
If it is coaches doing the input, they should input all the information or none so there is no confusion. If they have an issue taking the time to do it, they should find someone to do it for them.

Do you think scouts use MaxPreps as an evaluation tool? What would a scout do with the information garnered from a 16 to 0 Benilde win over St. Francis? Many teams play weaker foes and gain inflated individual stats.

Stat focus creates individual focus. Hockey is a team game, not an individual game. The emphasis on stats can hurt team chemistry.

Couldn't agree more it's to bad they don't list +/- I think that is probably one of the best stats not published.

Can't Never Tried wrote:

breakout wrote:

happymama wrote:The sad thing is that local papers (including the star/tribune) use MaxPreps for their stats so those inaccuracies are being published. Some scouts and other teams look to the papers and max prep to give them ideas of who is up and coming and should be watched.
If it is coaches doing the input, they should input all the information or none so there is no confusion. If they have an issue taking the time to do it, they should find someone to do it for them.

Do you think scouts use MaxPreps as an evaluation tool? What would a scout do with the information garnered from a 16 to 0 Benilde win over St. Francis? Many teams play weaker foes and gain inflated individual stats.

Stat focus creates individual focus. Hockey is a team game, not an individual game. The emphasis on stats can hurt team chemistry.

Couldn't agree more it's to bad they don't list +/- I think that is probably one of the best stats not published.

I agree with you 100% on the plus minus.

Breakout-

I agree with you regarding the value of stats and that they usually cause an "I" to get into the word team. But to think that people don't at least look at them is probably not right either. My point is that if teams are going to fill them in at all, they should make every effort to make sure that they are as accurate as possible and not only enter every now and then.

hockiepuck wrote:

The Weight Room wrote:

tuffpucker wrote:This site is doing a very poor job. Stats are not up to date and from what I see the accuracy of the stats are way way off.

give em a break eh? they only do every game for every sport for every school in the country...

GIVE EM A BREAK????? HECK NO. They own the site therefore they have a responsibility to GET IT RIGHT on not do it at all. If I did my job as poorly as they run this site I would expect to be looking for work elswhere. I realize they don't do the input but they need to put in checks and balances to ensure they have accurate information. Bad info is worse than no info at all. Come on Max Preps put some quality in your site.

maxpreps has no obligations to anybody to get anything right. this is the internet. people can put whatever they want on it. A major website (newspapers, major companies, research engines, etc.) might need 100%accuracy, but i guess its in the eye of the beholder when you evaluate maxpreps status.

OK. So my posting of this thread has gotten me 5 PM's from coaches around the area. There are alot of coaches that have decided not to enter the stats until the end of the season as they felt because kids are on the site looking at it so much it was creating to much individual selfish play. Funny how that works.

The Weight Room wrote:

hockiepuck wrote:

The Weight Room wrote: give em a break eh? they only do every game for every sport for every school in the country...

GIVE EM A BREAK????? HECK NO. They own the site therefore they have a responsibility to GET IT RIGHT on not do it at all. If I did my job as poorly as they run this site I would expect to be looking for work elswhere. I realize they don't do the input but they need to put in checks and balances to ensure they have accurate information. Bad info is worse than no info at all. Come on Max Preps put some quality in your site.

maxpreps has no obligations to anybody to get anything right. this is the internet. people can put whatever they want on it. A major website (newspapers, major companies, research engines, etc.) might need 100%accuracy, but i guess its in the eye of the beholder when you evaluate maxpreps status.

They do not "officially" cover high school hockey, which means that they don't have any obligation to get it right. They "officially" cover other sports, i think it is only fooball, basketball and volleyball.

breakout wrote:Do you think scouts use MaxPreps as an evaluation tool? What would a scout do with the information garnered from a 16 to 0 Benilde win over St. Francis? Many teams play weaker foes and gain inflated individual stats.

Stat focus creates individual focus. Hockey is a team game, not an individual game. The emphasis on stats can hurt team chemistry.

Scouts do use this information as a tool. They aren't going to sign anyone based on this alone, but someone with a bunch of goals is going to generate some interest and perhaps warrant a trip to watch the player in person. Especially from scouts out of the area who would need to make a special trip in for scouting purposes.

Are some players stats inflated due to the competition? Yes, in some cases, but it is usually the better players that run up their point totals, not your fourth line center - and this is going to be true in any sport at any level except for professionals.

In my opinion, the coaches who refrain from entering this information are doing a disservice to the kids. Does it create an "I" attitude over the team? Maybe. Coaches will have to deal with that. Avoiding the issue by not doing it all is not ideal. Especially when the game summaries are published in the papers anyway. Most kids have a pretty good idea on their own stat totals and they can see where they would fit in if their numbers were included.

The Star Tribune does not report based off of MaxPreps stats, by the way. They have a seperate system in place to report game summaries.

flatontheice wrote:OK. So my posting of this thread has gotten me 5 PM's from coaches around the area. There are alot of coaches that have decided not to enter the stats until the end of the season as they felt because kids are on the site looking at it so much it was creating to much individual selfish play. Funny how that works.

That doesn't explain the coaches who enter some games and not others and then start entering some new ones. Hopefully Maxpreps will take the time to put some sort of asterisk or mark next to teams that choose to not accurately enter all games into the system. I find no fault with them waiting until the end of the season but mark the current section somehow so people know that they are only entering parts of some games.

PuckRanger wrote:

breakout wrote:Do you think scouts use MaxPreps as an evaluation tool? What would a scout do with the information garnered from a 16 to 0 Benilde win over St. Francis? Many teams play weaker foes and gain inflated individual stats.

Stat focus creates individual focus. Hockey is a team game, not an individual game. The emphasis on stats can hurt team chemistry.

Scouts do use this information as a tool. They aren't going to sign anyone based on this alone, but someone with a bunch of goals is going to generate some interest and perhaps warrant a trip to watch the player in person. Especially from scouts out of the area who would need to make a special trip in for scouting purposes.

Are some players stats inflated due to the competition? Yes, in some cases, but it is usually the better players that run up their point totals, not your fourth line center - and this is going to be true in any sport at any level except for professionals.

In my opinion, the coaches who refrain from entering this information are doing a disservice to the kids. Does it create an "I" attitude over the team? Maybe. Coaches will have to deal with that. Avoiding the issue by not doing it all is not ideal. Especially when the game summaries are published in the papers anyway. Most kids have a pretty good idea on their own stat totals and they can see where they would fit in if their numbers were included.

The Star Tribune does not report based off of MaxPreps stats, by the way. They have a seperate system in place to report game summaries.

How do you know they use it as a tool?

If there is a great player in Babbitt Minnesota scouts will get wind of it and watch the kid play. The kid will probably go to the Advance camps in the spring where scouts will watch him more and see how the kid stacks up with the rest of the kids his age. If the kid is talented enough, he will play in the Elite League where scouts from Jr's, colleges and pros will have an opportunity to watch the kid play against the top high school players in the upper midwest. To think MaxPrep is what scouts are drooling over is ludicrous. It's especially ludicrous if the stats are deemed inaccurate.

Ease up folks, watch your kids play and enjoy the great game of hockey.

happymama wrote:

flatontheice wrote:OK. So my posting of this thread has gotten me 5 PM's from coaches around the area. There are alot of coaches that have decided not to enter the stats until the end of the season as they felt because kids are on the site looking at it so much it was creating to much individual selfish play. Funny how that works.

That doesn't explain the coaches who enter some games and not others and then start entering some new ones. Hopefully Maxpreps will take the time to put some sort of asterisk or mark next to teams that choose to not accurately enter all games into the system. I find no fault with them waiting until the end of the season but mark the current section somehow so people know that they are only entering parts of some games.

Usually the coach hasn't entered the games if only a few are available. Sometimes, the opposing coach will enter both teams stats.

happymama wrote:
That doesn't explain the coaches who enter some games and not others and then start entering some new ones. Hopefully Maxpreps will take the time to put some sort of asterisk or mark next to teams that choose to not accurately enter all games into the system. I find no fault with them waiting until the end of the season but mark the current section somehow so people know that they are only entering parts of some games.

has it occurred to you that maybe they have more important things to worry about than whether your mad or not sitting on your computer at home. these guys have lives too, maybe they dont get around to your needs before their own family, work, or team needs.

breakout wrote:How do you know they use it as a tool?

If there is a great player in Babbitt Minnesota scouts will get wind of it and watch the kid play. The kid will probably go to the Advance camps in the spring where scouts will watch him more and see how the kid stacks up with the rest of the kids his age. If the kid is talented enough, he will play in the Elite League where scouts from Jr's, colleges and pros will have an opportunity to watch the kid play against the top high school players in the upper midwest. To think MaxPrep is what scouts are drooling over is ludicrous. It's especially ludicrous if the stats are deemed inaccurate.

Ease up folks, watch your kids play and enjoy the great game of hockey.

I've had dialogue with a few that do look at it - not just Max Preps, but other sites as well. We're not talking the top-notch D1 schools or NHL scouts here. Its the 2nd & 3rd tier type of player or the late-bloomer they're after. The top players have already been publicized plenty. I've recieved a couple emails through my site (prephockeynorth.com) from scouts thanking me for making this information available to them because they were able to get a player or two they otherwise would not have known about. I never said that scouts were drooling over this - just that it is a tool that is used.

As far as the Elite league goes, keep in mind that there are some kids who play baseball or other sports in the off-season (which I think is great by the way). Not everyone opts to play in that league.

The Weight Room wrote:

happymama wrote:
That doesn't explain the coaches who enter some games and not others and then start entering some new ones. Hopefully Maxpreps will take the time to put some sort of asterisk or mark next to teams that choose to not accurately enter all games into the system. I find no fault with them waiting until the end of the season but mark the current section somehow so people know that they are only entering parts of some games.

has it occurred to you that maybe they have more important things to worry about than whether your mad or not sitting on your computer at home. these guys have lives too, maybe they dont get around to your needs before their own family, work, or team needs.

Never said I was mad but you seem pretty tense. All I've said is that if they are going to enter games, they should enter all games so the stats are as accurate as possible. If they don't have time or don't want to enter for other reasons, then don't enter any games. It really isn't that complicated.

go to www.pointstreak.com


most of the teams are updated very quickly and accurately

breakout wrote:

Can't Never Tried wrote:
Couldn't agree more it's to bad they don't list +/- I think that is probably one of the best stats not published.

I agree with you 100% on the plus minus.

Though, much link a pitcher's wins and losses in baseball, it tends to be better at indicating the quality of the team than the player. (But I do think it's a better stat than pitching W-L since it doesn't involve arbitrary factors such as minimum innings, etc.)